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14:53:03 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)
14:53:03 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
14:53:30 <mhausenblas> Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-08-23, 15:00 UTC 
14:53:52 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Aug/0158.html
14:53:59 <mhausenblas> Chair: Ben
14:54:29 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
14:54:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
14:54:35 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:59:45 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
14:59:52 <Zakim> +Ralph
14:59:54 <ShaneM> zakim, code 
14:59:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', ShaneM
15:00:01 <ShaneM> zakim, what is the code 
15:00:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'what is the code', ShaneM
15:00:39 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas
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15:01:54 <mhausenblas> Zakim, what is the conference code? 
15:01:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), mhausenblas
15:02:01 <Zakim> +benadida
15:02:08 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:02:08 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:02:10 <Zakim> +Steven
15:02:27 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:02:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:02:29 <benadida> zakim, who is on the call?
15:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ralph, Michael_Hausenblas, benadida, Steven
15:03:02 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2007-08-16
15:03:30 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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15:04:18 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
15:04:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
15:04:45 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
15:05:22 <markbirbeck> Scribe: markbirbeck
15:06:34 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:06:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:07:09 <markbirbeck> Ben pointed out that the key thing now is to get a new draft of the syntax document out.
15:07:22 <ShaneM> I have a question about: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/htmlwg/rdfa-syntax/Overview.html#s_rules 
15:07:24 <markbirbeck> Steven, Shane and Mark are working on this now.
15:08:03 <markbirbeck> Steven said that a lot has changed, so we do need to be careful about coordinating.
15:08:31 <markbirbeck> Shane replied that although it is true that there are changes, the fundamentals remain.
15:08:59 <markbirbeck> Other than things like 'meta and link everywhere' a lot is similar.
15:09:36 <ShaneM> sorry - here: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070812/#s_rules 
15:10:49 <markbirbeck> Shane was asking about the section called 'Rules'...i;e., what is it for?
15:11:16 <markbirbeck> Mark said that 'very old' versions of the document did have a rules section, but we've not bothered keeping it up to date until everything is final.
15:11:30 <markbirbeck> Action items.
15:12:01 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Ben to update the bookmarklet to handle img@src
15:12:05 <markbirbeck> --done
15:13:17 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:13:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
15:14:00 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Ben to work test cases 31 and 32 into primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
15:14:10 <markbirbeck> --continues
15:14:29 <markbirbeck> ACTION: mh to add a test case for @src [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]
15:15:06 <markbirbeck> --continues
15:15:16 <mhausenblas> <img about="http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i" rel="foaf:image" src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg" />
15:15:24 <mhausenblas> <http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i> foaf:image <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg> . 
15:16:33 <mhausenblas> Michael: I'll add another TC with @resource overwrites @src
15:16:45 <markbirbeck> Ben pointed out that there is no reason not to add additional 'tests' for the single feature.
15:17:12 <markbirbeck> ...there can't be too many test cases. :)
15:17:56 <markbirbeck> mh to write an img@src test case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
15:18:00 <markbirbeck> --drop
15:18:13 <Steven> ACTION: mh to write an img@src test case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
15:18:16 <Steven> --dropped
15:18:21 <markbirbeck> ACTION: mh to create best practices wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
15:18:33 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:18:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
15:18:34 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Aug/0142.html
15:20:01 <RalphS> Mark: I'm concerned that we may be getting too many sources of information; stick to just a couple of documents
15:20:20 <RalphS> Michael: I don't care where we put best practices information but I think we should have it
15:20:39 <RalphS> Mark: I worry that we'll have too many things floating around
15:21:38 <markbirbeck> Ben, can see the point, but Bob's comment about showing how to do microformats with RDFa is a good idea.
15:24:17 <markbirbeck> Mark: Would just point out that the problem with microformats is that they don't always correspond to a vocabulary, so we'd have to first find the 'underlying' vocabulary that they've mapped to.
15:24:28 <markbirbeck> ...not saying we shouldn't do it, just that it is not so easy.
15:26:15 <markbirbeck> Ben: Sees support from Shane and Steven for showing how to do microformats with RDFa.
15:26:52 <markbirbeck> Mark: Why not just focus on microformat users for now?
15:27:28 <markbirbeck> Ben: Ok...so let's withdraw MH's action item and change to "RDFa for Microformats authors".
15:28:28 <markbirbeck> --dropped
15:29:29 <markbirbeck> ACTION: mh to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki
15:32:02 <markbirbeck> I'm just pasting the old actions. :)
15:33:47 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
15:33:51 <markbirbeck> --continues
15:34:08 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Steven to check test cases 29-33 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
15:34:10 <markbirbeck> --done
15:34:23 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Ben to recontact implementors Elias, MarkB, triplr [and Fabien] and post their implementations to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
15:34:30 <markbirbeck> --continues
15:34:42 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Ben to work through xml:lang issue with Ivan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
15:35:00 <markbirbeck> --dropped
15:35:40 <benadida> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Aug/0149
15:37:06 <markbirbeck> Discussion on @xml:lang.
15:37:15 <markbirbeck> Topic: @xml:lang
15:37:23 <RalphS> Shane: Karl's message says that you may only use xml:lang in the XML serialization of HTML5
15:38:00 <markbirbeck> Ben: Summarising the situation in relation to @lang and @xml:lang.
15:38:20 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:38:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:38:21 <benadida> PROPOSE to resolve: lang is not part of XHTML1.1, xml:lang is, thus XHTML1.1+RDFa supports only xml:lang.
15:38:40 <mhausenblas> +1
15:38:46 <Steven> +1
15:39:41 <markbirbeck> RESOLUTION: @lang is not part of XHTML1.1, @xml:lang is, so we resolve that XHTML1.1+RDFa will only support @xml:lang.
15:40:10 <benadida> ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add xml:lang support
15:41:02 <mhausenblas> Q: Does datatype hold a CURIE or a CURIE/URI?
15:42:01 <mhausenblas> implicit: CURIE only
15:43:20 <markbirbeck> Ben: PROPOSE that @datatype holds a basic_curie, rather than a safe_curie.
15:43:25 <ShaneM>  +q
15:43:37 <mhausenblas> ack ShaneM
15:43:44 <markbirbeck> ...to use the terminology in the latest edits of CURIE syntax.
15:44:24 <RalphS> Shane: in the latest CURIE editors' draft we removed square brackets
15:44:35 <RalphS> Mark: we didn't actually remove them, we moved them to a different level
15:44:41 <mhausenblas> +q ot ask about definition of basic vs. safe
15:44:59 <RalphS> ... the author can make a reference to a "basic CURIE" or to a "safe CURIE"
15:45:28 <markbirbeck> s/the author/the author of a language using CURIEs/
15:46:12 <mhausenblas> +1 to Ben's datatype proposal
15:46:58 <markbirbeck> RESOLUTION: @datatype holds a basic_curie, rather than a safe_curie. (I.e., it does not need to have square brackets around it, and is essentially the same behaviour as @rel, @rev and @property.)
15:47:08 <RalphS> agenda+ SWD WG face-to-face 8-9 Oct
15:47:33 <RalphS> -> http://www.few.vu.nl/~aisaac/swd/ SWD WG face-to-face, 8-9 Oct, Amsterdam
15:47:48 <RalphS> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:47:48 <Zakim> agendum 1. "SWD WG face-to-face 8-9 Oct" taken up [from RalphS]
15:48:14 <markbirbeck> Ralph: The WG has decided to have a meeting on 8 and 9 October.
15:48:31 <markbirbeck> ...we started to put together the agenda.
15:48:40 <markbirbeck> ...question is whether RDFa 'wants' to be on the agenda.
15:48:49 <markbirbeck> Ben: We need to be on the agenda.
15:48:54 <markbirbeck> ...who else is going?
15:49:05 <markbirbeck> Steven: It's a holiday week, so won't be there.
15:49:49 <markbirbeck> Ralph: Think we should involve others from the SW Deployment WG.
15:50:20 <markbirbeck> ...because we (Ralph, Ben) haven't been pushing RDFa onto the agenda then it hasn't often been raised.
15:50:39 <markbirbeck> ...if we think that there are contributions that we want from people then we should try to be on the agenda.
15:51:43 <markbirbeck> Mark: Asked if it was worth being on the agenda so as to do some RDFa marketing.
15:51:54 <markbirbeck> Ralph: Thinks it may well be worth it.
15:52:59 <markbirbeck> Ben: Thinks it would be worth promoting RDFa too.
15:53:26 <markbirbeck> ...if we had mature documents by then, and good implementations, perhaps Mark could present 'the package'.
15:54:05 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda [draft] SWD WG f2f agenda
15:55:03 <markbirbeck> Ralph: So it looks like Ben, Michael and Shane could be there remotely, and Mark might be able to attend in person.
15:57:16 <RalphS> Topic: Documents
15:57:18 <markbirbeck> Topic: Documents
15:58:14 <RalphS> Mark: Shane and I were working on CURIEs the past week
15:58:30 <RalphS> ... I'm interested in the Rules section of the syntax document
15:58:32 <Steven> Correction: I am in Amsterdam that week
15:58:37 <Steven> I can attend
15:59:07 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:59:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:59:22 <RalphS> ... if I focus on the Rules section that might be a way to manage editing conflicts
15:59:43 <RalphS> Ben: can the editors find a time for an hour telecon?
16:00:15 <Steven> I have posted to rdfa.info about Joost
16:01:27 <RalphS> Ben: I'm planning to revamp the Primer completely, focus on the important attributes
16:01:43 <mhausenblas> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/EuroSta
16:02:13 <mhausenblas> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/EuroStat
16:03:07 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
16:03:09 <Zakim> -ShaneM
16:03:10 <Zakim> -Steven
16:03:11 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:03:13 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
16:03:15 <Zakim> -benadida
16:03:17 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
16:03:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, Michael_Hausenblas, benadida, Steven, ShaneM, markbirbeck
16:03:22 <mhausenblas> Michael: any input for riese welcome ;)
16:03:25 <markbirbeck> mmm...what's the magic again?
16:03:32 <markbirbeck> "zakim, make minutes"?
16:03:43 <mhausenblas>  RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:03:43 <markbirbeck> or do I do something else first?
16:03:48 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:03:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
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17:01:54 <RalphS> zakim, bye
17:01:54 <Zakim> Zakim has left #rdfa
17:02:00 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-actions.rdf :
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to update the bookmarklet to handle img@src [1]
17:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-12-01
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to work test cases 31 and 32 into primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [2]
17:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-14-00
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mh to add a test case for @src [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [3]
17:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-14-29
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mh to write an img@src test case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [4]
17:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-18-13
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mh to create best practices wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [5]
17:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-18-21
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mh to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [6]
17:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-29-29
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [7]
17:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-33-47
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to check test cases 29-33 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [8]
17:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-34-08
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to recontact implementors Elias, MarkB, triplr [and Fabien] and post their implementations to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [9]
17:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-34-23
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to work through xml:lang issue with Ivan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [10]
17:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-34-42
17:02:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add xml:lang support [11]
17:02:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-irc#T15-40-10