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13:54:47 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
13:54:53 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
13:54:53 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:55:06 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
13:55:11 <Steven> Chair: Steven and Roland
13:56:16 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0024
13:56:23 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0024
13:56:34 <Steven> Regrets: Regrets: Yam, Masataka Yakura, Alessio
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13:59:29 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started
13:59:36 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
14:01:03 <Zakim> + +004670855aaaa
14:01:11 <Tina> That'd be Tina.
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14:01:26 <Zakim> +McCarron
14:02:21 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:02:21 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:02:23 <Zakim> +Steven
14:02:33 <ShaneM> zakim. mccarron is shanem 
14:02:38 <ShaneM>  hey
14:02:43 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is Tina
14:02:43 <Zakim> +Tina; got it
14:02:48 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
14:02:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, Tina, McCarron, Steven
14:02:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see ShaneM, oedipus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Tina, Steven, Lachy, krijnh
14:02:51 <Zakim> +Roland
14:02:53 <ShaneM>  zakim, McCarron is ShaneM
14:02:53 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
14:03:02 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
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14:03:12 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregory_Rosmaita (9%), Tina (38%), ShaneM (4%)
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14:06:45 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
14:06:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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14:07:55 <Rich> Zakim, ??P9 is Rich
14:07:55 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
14:08:16 <Steven> Scribe: ROland
14:08:20 <Steven> s/O/o/
14:08:42 <Zakim> -ShaneM
14:08:56 <ShaneM>  oops
14:09:04 <Roland_> Topic: next face 2 face
14:09:06 <Zakim> +ShaneM
14:09:22 <Roland_> so far only 2 people intend to be there
14:10:57 <oedipus> GJR will be at plenary
14:11:29 <oedipus> GJR notes conflict between XHTML2 and HTML5 working group meetings
14:11:46 <ShaneM>  that's ironic
14:11:50 <oedipus> GJR may be joint HTML-Forms Task Force meeting at plenary
14:12:48 <Roland_> RESOLUTION: September face 2 face is cancelled
14:13:08 <Zakim> + +0208761aabb
14:13:10 <Roland_> Topic: XHTML Modularization 1.1
14:13:18 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aabb
14:13:18 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
14:13:22 <Roland_> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtml-modularization
14:14:04 <Roland_> a few changes need to be made to reflect response to Schema WG
14:14:34 <Roland_> Shane has made the changes, but not added the examples
14:16:28 <Roland_> Mark recalls his action to create the example that Shane needs to add
14:17:30 <ShaneM>  http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts
14:17:48 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtml-modularization
14:18:43 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
14:18:53 <oedipus> XHTML Modularization 1.1: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-modularization-20070404
14:19:02 <oedipus> XHTML Role Attribute Module: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20070811
14:19:54 <Roland_> comments this week on mailing list wrt XHTML Modularization
14:19:55 <Zakim> -Tina
14:20:08 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
14:20:32 <Roland_> Topic: @inputmode
14:21:08 <oedipus> zakim, mute Gregory_Rosmaita
14:21:08 <Zakim> Gregory_Rosmaita should now be muted
14:22:02 <Roland_> Steven has sent a note to mailing seeking clarification of "digits" problem
14:22:33 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0015 
14:22:34 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0023 
14:22:34 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0024 
14:23:05 <Roland_> TOPIC: @role
14:23:25 <Roland_> note from Tina : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0020
14:24:01 <ShaneM>  +q
14:24:05 <Tina> And I'm without a phone as of five minutes ago.
14:24:12 <oedipus> zakim, unmute me
14:24:12 <Zakim> sorry, oedipus, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:24:22 <oedipus> zakim, unmute Gregory_Rosmaita
14:24:22 <Zakim> Gregory_Rosmaita should no longer be muted
14:24:26 <markbirbeck> +q
14:24:35 <oedipus> q+
14:25:11 <Rich> q+
14:25:31 <oedipus> q=
14:25:34 <Roland_> Shane has spoken to Tina on this subject at some length
14:25:35 <oedipus> -q
14:26:02 <oedipus> GJR: role on DIV can be used with ownedby labelledby etc.
14:26:37 <Roland_> Shane would be prepared to continue working the issue with Tina (who is not on the call today)
14:26:45 <oedipus> DIV can be given meaning by owing or being owned by an object containing it
14:27:12 <Roland_> Rich says that there are large numbers of examples of use of @role for ARIA.
14:28:05 <Roland_> Mark believes that there is a misunderstanding that needs to be resolved
14:28:33 <Roland_> Rich will reply to Tina
14:28:50 <Roland_> TOPIC: test suites for modules
14:29:02 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0017
14:30:34 <Roland_> a never ending problem with Modularization 
14:34:23 <Roland_> for the specific case of @role we have usage by ARIA
14:36:28 <Roland_> the spec for role only defines syntax and no semantics
14:37:31 <Roland_> Mark: if there is a DOM we should describe how @role works
14:41:56 <Roland_> Mark the semantics for @role are very rudimentary
14:43:01 <ShaneM>  Remember that while we are discussing @role, we also have the access module, and other potential small modules.
14:43:59 <Steven> q?
14:44:05 <Steven> queue=
14:46:49 <Roland_> base proposal from Shane is that we should ceate a host driver language to test a module in isolation.
14:49:46 <ShaneM>  I think CR exit criteria is independent of the QA test suite requirements
14:53:39 <Roland_> RESOLUTION: adopt Shane's proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0017]
14:54:49 <Roland_> TOPIC: Restore hr
14:55:12 <ShaneM>  Dan said, as an aside in a comment to html-editor: p.s. I'm new to reviewing this document. The status section says it's "relatively mature"; are there any test cases I could study? Even if they're not 100% finished, I'd like to have a look.
14:55:21 <Roland_> request from Dan.C [ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0003 ]
14:56:13 <Roland_> review history of decision, perceived to be purely presentational
14:57:43 <markbirbeck> q+
14:57:43 <Roland_> a need for a separator is accepted, hence separator
14:58:14 <oedipus> deprecate HR, replace with LS (post to public-html): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Apr/0099.html
14:58:23 <Roland_> Steven proposes to keep hr for legacy reasons
14:58:39 <Roland_> and deprecate it
14:58:56 <Roland_> Shane has no problems with it
15:00:00 <oedipus> GJR notes that use of BLOCKQUOTE for formatting deprecated in HTML 4.01 -- hasn't made a difference
15:00:39 <Roland_> Mark states that we could keep such items in a module and that a decision to include a module is up to the language designer
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15:02:25 <Zakim> -Roland
15:02:25 <Zakim> -Rich
15:02:26 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
15:02:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, +004670855aaaa, Steven, Tina, Roland, ShaneM, Rich, +0208761aabb, markbirbeck
15:02:56 <markbirbeck> Mark: Another approach is to have a 'presentational' module in a way similar to MathML. Then it's clear to people what is best practice, but those elements are there for people if they really want them.
15:03:25 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:03:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/22-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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