IRC log of dawg on 2007-08-21

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14:27:34 [LeeF_]

zakim, this will be dawg

14:27:34 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF_; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

14:27:56 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started

14:28:01 [LeeF_]

Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly

14:28:03 [Zakim]

+LeeF

14:28:04 [LeeF_]

Chair: LeeF

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Scribe: ??

14:28:46 [Zakim]

+??P16

14:28:47 [LeeF_]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0092.html

14:28:56 [LeeF_]

LeeF_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0092.html

14:28:56 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P16 is me

14:28:56 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:30:02 [ericP]

Zakim, please dial ericP-xx

14:30:02 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:30:05 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:33:22 [LeeF_]

SteveH, should we wait for you?

14:33:31 [LeeF_]

iv_an_ru, are you around?

14:37:06 [LeeF_]

:open-eq-12 is an example of this

14:37:11 [LeeF_]

topic: mf:requires

14:37:36 [LeeF_]

LeeF: We have some mf:requires annotations in the open-world directory at least, should be documented

14:38:11 [Zakim]

+??P0

14:39:56 [AndyS]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:39:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see LeeF, AndyS, EricP, ??P0

14:40:14 [LeeF_]

zakim, ??P0 is Orri

14:40:14 [Zakim]

+Orri; got it

14:43:29 [LeeF_]

LeeF: there are 6 mf:require's

14:43:38 [LeeF_]

... some are things that follow the spec. but are not required

14:43:50 [LeeF_]

... e.g. mf:KnownTypesDefault2Ne

14:44:01 [LeeF_]

... others are things which do follow the letter of the spec and are required, but are 'tricky'

14:44:20 [LeeF_]

... e.g. mf:LangCaseInsensitivity and mf:IllFormedLiteral

14:45:23 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/mid/p06230905c2dd1a40d200@[10.100.0.67]

14:45:27 [SteveH]

LeeF_, sorry, was AFK, no dont wait

14:46:50 [AndyS]

-> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-concepts/#section-Literal-Value

14:47:15 [Zakim]

+ +0207735aaaa

14:47:31 [SteveH]

Zakim, +0207735aaaa is SteveH

14:47:31 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:48:20 [AndyS]

"""Has no value associated with the typed literal."""

14:50:39 [LeeF_]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0089.html tests to approve

14:53:21 [LeeF_]

PROPOSED: Approve the first 6 tests in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0089.html

14:53:42 [LeeF_]

ericP seconds

14:54:01 [LeeF_]

RESOLVED, SteveH abstaining

14:54:57 [LeeF_]

PROPOSED: Approve the last 3 tests in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0089.html

14:55:04 [LeeF_]

ericP seconds

14:55:14 [LeeF_]

RESOLVED

14:57:09 [LeeF_]

PROPOSED: The tests in data-r2 as of 2007-08-21 along with today's approvals constitute the test suite for the SPARQL Query Language and the basis for an implementation report

14:57:31 [LeeF_]

AndyS seconds

14:57:42 [LeeF_]

RESOLVED

14:58:28 [LeeF_]

-> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-software-20021231 W3C Software License

14:58:46 [LeeF_]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/r2 overview page

15:02:20 [LeeF_]

(discussion of who holds copyrigt on test materials and use of the W3C license)

15:02:53 [LeeF_]

ACTION: LeeF to generate archive of test materials which includes license

15:03:20 [LeeF_]

ACTION: LeeF to advertise existence of test materials and solicit implementation reports

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topic: test service

15:04:28 [LeeF_]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0086.html LeeF response to IvanM

15:06:50 [LeeF_]

Orri: reasonable to support endpoints that will fetch graphs over HTTP

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... will talk to IvanM

15:08:19 [LeeF_]

LeeF: Richard Newman (twinql) asked for the service and might have an endpoint against which it can be tested

15:08:34 [LeeF_]

... not necessary to be 100% bug-fre ebefore advertising the service

15:09:36 [LeeF_]

topic: implementation report

15:16:21 [LeeF_]

LeeF: I suggest a Sept 18 deadline for asking for implementation reports

15:16:39 [LeeF_]

... as a time when we will try to fulfill our CR exit criteria and ask to advance to PR

15:17:22 [LeeF_]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0049.html Lee's email on facets and features

15:21:58 [LeeF_]

AndyS: feature - split into description of dataset and querying the dataset

15:23:58 [LeeF_]

LeeF: Do we want a feature which is something like "full syntax support"?

15:24:17 [LeeF_]

ericP: why not?

15:25:41 [LeeF_]

LeeF: There are other parts of SPARQL that we test for that are not called out explicitly in the proposed feature list... what's the right level of granularity?

15:26:25 [LeeF_]

topic: datatype() and other builtins

15:26:41 [LeeF_]

AndyS: Spec says they take a literal and grammar allows an expression

15:26:51 [AndyS]

datatype(?x + ?y)

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datatype(1 || 0)

15:34:49 [LeeF_]

ACTION: LeeF and ericP to write tests for uncovered facets [DONE]

15:34:58 [LeeF_]

ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES]

15:35:11 [LeeF_]

ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES]

15:35:19 [LeeF_]

ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [CONTINUES]

15:35:28 [LeeF_]

ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES]

15:35:36 [Zakim]

-SteveH

15:35:39 [LeeF_]

ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation [CONTINUES]

15:35:41 [AndyS]

This email?? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0113.html

15:36:21 [LeeF_]

ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES]

15:36:29 [LeeF_]

ACTION: ericP to incorporate text to fix EBV of illformed numeric literals bug in spec [CONTINUES]

15:36:33 [LeeF_]

adjourned.

15:36:46 [LeeF_]

RRSAgent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-minutes.html LeeF_

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RRSAgent, make logs world-access

15:41:18 [Zakim]

-LeeF

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-Orri

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-AndyS

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-EricP

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SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended

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Attendees were LeeF, AndyS, EricP, Orri, SteveH

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: LeeF to generate archive of test materials which includes license [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-irc#T15-02-53

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ACTION: LeeF to advertise existence of test materials and solicit implementation reports [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-irc#T15-03-20

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ACTION: LeeF and ericP to write tests for uncovered facets [DONE] [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-irc#T15-34-49

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ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES] [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-irc#T15-34-58

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ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES] [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-irc#T15-35-11

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ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [CONTINUES] [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-irc#T15-35-19

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ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES] [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-irc#T15-35-28

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ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation [CONTINUES] [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-irc#T15-35-39

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ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES] [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-irc#T15-36-21

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ACTION: ericP to incorporate text to fix EBV of illformed numeric literals bug in spec [CONTINUES] [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-dawg-irc#T15-36-29

16:03:48 [LeeF]

zakim, bye

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