IRC log of tsdtf on 2007-08-14

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12:19:58 [Christophe]

zakim, what conferences?

12:19:58 [Zakim]

I see ARCH_Team()8:00AM active

12:19:59 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time are WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM, UW_Team()8:00AM

12:20:11 [Christophe]

zakim, this will be WAI_TSDTF

12:20:11 [Zakim]

ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes

12:20:22 [Christophe]

Meeting: TSD TF

12:20:38 [Christophe]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Aug/0001.html

12:20:55 [Christophe]

Chair: CarlosV, Christophe

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Agenda+ Updating test samples to new WCAG 2.0 working draft:

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Regrets: CarlosI, Shadi, Tim

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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started

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+CarlosV

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+Cooper

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+Christophe_Strobbe

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+Vangelis_Karkaletsis

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+ +43.702.4aaaa

12:35:48 [Christophe]

zakim, +43 is Reinhard

12:35:48 [Zakim]

+Reinhard; got it

12:36:38 [MichaelC]

scribe: MichaelC

12:37:00 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 1

12:37:00 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Updating test samples to new WCAG 2.0 working draft:" taken up [from Christophe]

12:37:07 [MichaelC]

agenda?

12:37:15 [MichaelC]

zakim, take up item 1

12:37:15 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Updating test samples to new WCAG 2.0 working draft:" taken up [from Christophe]

12:38:07 [MichaelC]

cs: a number of test cases have been migrated with scripts

12:38:13 [MichaelC]

... so far 57

12:38:20 [MichaelC]

... need to start structure review

12:40:10 [MichaelC]

rr: have begun uploading, still working out the kinks

12:40:46 [MichaelC]

... what about tests that are already in wiki?

12:41:08 [MichaelC]

cs: will need to be updated to new id and test filenames

12:41:22 [MichaelC]

... won't be removed from repository

12:42:46 [MichaelC]

cv: why can't remove tests?

12:43:02 [MichaelC]

mc: URI persistence policy, need to not break links etc.

12:43:09 [MichaelC]

cv: have a deprecated status?

12:43:26 [MichaelC]

cs: have rejected, but for WG rejects

12:43:36 [MichaelC]

... could add a status

12:45:10 [MichaelC]

RESOLUTION: create status "deprecated" and apply to tests that are no longer valid

12:45:27 [Christophe]

Test samples for SC 2.5.1: sc2.5.1_l1_002 and sc2.5.1_l1_003

12:45:38 [Christophe]

... and sc2.5.1_l1_004

12:48:55 [MichaelC]

mc: why using SC number instead of filename instead of ID, leading to this need to change?

12:49:57 [MichaelC]

cs: inherited from Bentoweb

12:54:24 [MichaelC]

mc: propose we not worry about the tests whose IDs need to change until can discuss URI persistence with Shadi; continue uploading knowing might change IDs (automatable)

12:56:12 [MichaelC]

cs: next step is to start structure review process

12:57:31 [MichaelC]

rr: what about test cases that need jsp?

12:57:38 [MichaelC]

mc: unsure status of action checking with systeam

12:58:14 [MichaelC]

cs: need clear idea of where Java server needs to run, maintenance, etc.

12:58:34 [MichaelC]

action: MichaelC to investigate JSP server with Systeam

13:00:27 [MichaelC]

mc: may need to hold back on uploading these test cases until we know

13:00:46 [MichaelC]

cs: roughly 20 / 466 test cases

13:01:46 [Zakim]

+Tim_Boland

13:02:00 [MichaelC]

cs: have found issues with some of the tests, sent message to list

13:02:08 [MichaelC]

... would like them fixed, then can start review process

13:03:05 [MichaelC]

cs: also have a bunch of test samples in the repository that need to be updated

13:03:35 [MichaelC]

... question of whether to wait to do review process until those are done, or do in parallel

13:03:39 [MichaelC]

mc: propose in parallel

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rr: ones that need updating, each submitter should update their own?

13:04:11 [MichaelC]

cs, cv: yes

13:05:16 [MichaelC]

RESOLUTION: everyone keep uploading test cases, except JSP and those without a testcase mapping

13:06:24 [MichaelC]

topic: Review Process

13:06:54 [MichaelC]

cs: Bentoweb people should check for issues in tests in repository

13:07:14 [MichaelC]

... non Bentoweb people start checking tests submitted earlier, against previous WD of WCAG

13:09:29 [MichaelC]

cv: can we get WCAG WG members to help?

13:09:34 [MichaelC]

mc: might be able to ask a few people

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action: MichaelC to ask selected members of WCAG WG to help with review process

13:11:56 [MichaelC]

mc: how is review conducted?

13:12:07 [MichaelC]

cv, cs: update wiki, also should send note to mailing list

13:12:29 [MichaelC]

cv: document says to notify author only

13:12:34 [MichaelC]

... propose also notify list

13:13:44 [MichaelC]

mc: which tests are the older tests that are ready for review?

13:13:48 [MichaelC]

cs: can make a list

13:15:11 [MichaelC]

action: Christophe to create list of tests ready for review

13:15:42 [MichaelC]

mc: recommend dividing blocks of tests assigned to "reviewer 1, reviewer 2" etc. and plugging reviewers into those slots

13:16:30 [MichaelC]

action: Christophe to divide list of tests by proposed reviewer

13:17:32 [MichaelC]

mc: reluctant to commit to doing review because covering for Ben, but will try to find others

13:17:39 [MichaelC]

... Tim, can do a batch?

13:17:41 [MichaelC]

tb: yes

13:19:08 [MichaelC]

mc: need to chase reviewers to make sure they get their review done for next meeting

13:19:12 [MichaelC]

cv: can chase once get names

13:19:17 [MichaelC]

mc: chase me for names if needed

13:20:28 [MichaelC]

tb: these are structure reviews or content reviews?

13:20:31 [MichaelC]

cs: structure

13:21:50 [Zakim]

-Vangelis_Karkaletsis

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-Tim_Boland

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-Reinhard

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-Cooper

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-CarlosV

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-Christophe_Strobbe

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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were CarlosV, Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, +43.702.4aaaa, Reinhard, Tim_Boland

13:22:23 [Christophe]

Regrets: CarlosI, Shadi

13:23:38 [Christophe]

zakim, bye

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13:23:48 [Christophe]

rrsagent, make log world

13:24:10 [Christophe]

rrsagent, draft minutes

13:24:10 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/14-tsdtf-minutes.html Christophe

13:27:13 [Christophe]

rrsagent, bye

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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/14-tsdtf-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: MichaelC to investigate JSP server with Systeam [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/14-tsdtf-irc#T12-58-34

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ACTION: MichaelC to ask selected members of WCAG WG to help with review process [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/14-tsdtf-irc#T13-09-45

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ACTION: Christophe to create list of tests ready for review [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/14-tsdtf-irc#T13-15-11

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ACTION: Christophe to divide list of tests by proposed reviewer [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/14-tsdtf-irc#T13-16-30