IRC log of dawg on 2007-08-14

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14:31:02 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be dawg

14:31:02 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start now

14:31:51 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started

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+LeeF

14:32:01 [LeeF]

Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly

14:32:03 [ericP]

adding ":x1 :z :p .

14:32:03 [LeeF]

Scribe: LeeF

14:32:11 [ericP]

" made it more sensitive

14:32:11 [LeeF]

Regrets: AndyS, Chimezie, Souri

14:32:19 [LeeF]

Chair: LeeF

14:32:24 [Zakim]

+Orri_Erling

14:32:28 [LeeF]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0077.html

14:32:46 [LeeF]

LeeF has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0077.html

14:32:56 [chimezie]

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14:32:59 [ericP]

Zakim, please dial ericP-office

14:32:59 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:33:00 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:33:02 [chimezie]

Zakim, passcode?

14:33:02 [Zakim]

the conference code is 7333 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie

14:33:21 [LeeF]

agenda + convene

14:33:26 [LeeF]

agenda + action items

14:33:30 [Zakim]

+Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:33:31 [LeeF]

agenda + test suite

14:33:36 [chimezie]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:33:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see LeeF, Orri_Erling, EricP, Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:33:42 [LeeF]

agenda + facets and test coverage

14:33:46 [LeeF]

agenda + test harness

14:34:29 [LeeF]

Regrets: AndyS, Souri

14:35:01 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/att-0060/2007-08-07-dawg-minutes.html Aug 7 minutes

14:35:48 [LeeF]

approved minutes, chimezie seconding

14:36:20 [LeeF]

Meet next August 21 @ 14:30 UTC

14:36:24 [LeeF]

chimezie claims to be sending regrets

14:36:34 [LeeF]

zakim, take up agendum 2

14:36:34 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from LeeF]

14:36:41 [LeeF]

ericP at risk next week

14:36:52 [Zakim]

+??P6

14:36:58 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to requisition /TR/SPARQL as a switcher document pointing to the real specs [DONE]

14:37:15 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [DONE]

14:37:20 [iv_an_ru]

??P6 is me

14:37:24 [LeeF]

ACTION: AndyS or LeeF to mark non-SELECT tests using :QueryForm classes, and to move those URIs to the qt: namespace [DONE]

14:37:26 [iv_an_ru]

Zakim ??P6 is me

14:37:29 [LeeF]

zakim, ??P6 is iv_an_ru

14:37:29 [Zakim]

+iv_an_ru; got it

14:37:37 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to run ASK tests 1, 4, and 7 by Aug 7 [DONE]

14:37:47 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to ask CG about RDF/XML version of test suite [DONE]

14:38:55 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to get rid of any distinct and ordered attributes [DONE]

14:39:05 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark all tests approved in the 2007-08-07 meeting as approved [DONE]

14:39:17 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to update the EARL document and all manifest files to use manifest#testname URIs [DONE]

14:39:41 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES]

14:39:53 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES]

14:40:08 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [CONTINUES]

14:40:16 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to incorporate text to fix EBV of illformed numeric literals bug in spec [CONTINUES]

14:40:25 [LeeF]

ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES]

14:40:36 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF and ericP to write tests for uncovered facets [CONTINUES]

14:40:39 [ericP]

mail to iesg@ietf.org Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:00:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1186502401.4404.54.camel@localhost>

14:40:49 [LeeF]

ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation [CONTINUES]

14:41:49 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES]

14:42:01 [LeeF]

ACTION: chimezie to write tests to cover missing algebraic forms as per

14:42:01 [LeeF]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0056.html [DONE]

14:42:20 [LeeF]

LeeF: Are we actually using any tests with mf:requires in data-r2?

14:44:42 [LeeF]

open-world/manifest#open-eq-08

14:44:52 [LeeF]

approved in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/att-0082/2007-06-12-dawg-minutes.html

14:48:13 [LeeF]

LeeF: We should ignore tests with mf:requires in generating an implementation report

14:48:26 [LeeF]

ericP: implementors should not necessarily expect to pass tests with mf:requires

14:48:52 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:48:52 [Zakim]

agendum 2 closed

14:48:53 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:48:55 [Zakim]

1. convene [from LeeF]

14:49:02 [LeeF]

zakim, close agendum 1

14:49:02 [Zakim]

agendum 1, convene, closed

14:49:03 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:49:04 [Zakim]

3. test suite [from LeeF]

14:49:05 [LeeF]

agenda?

14:49:15 [LeeF]

zakim, take agendum 5

14:49:15 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'take agendum 5', LeeF

14:49:19 [LeeF]

zakim, take up agendum 5

14:49:19 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "test harness" taken up [from LeeF]

14:49:43 [LeeF]

zakim, who's here?

14:49:43 [Zakim]

On the phone I see LeeF, Orri_Erling, EricP, Chimezie_Ogbuji, iv_an_ru

14:49:44 [Zakim]

On IRC I see chimezie, RRSAgent, Zakim, SteveH, LeeF, ericP, iv_an_ru

14:49:59 [iv_an_ru]

I'm here, but I hear/not hearing periodically.

14:50:05 [LeeF]

Orri: We are waiting for pointers to endpoints that we can try

14:50:40 [LeeF]

LeeF: suggests testing against http://sparql.org/sparql

14:51:19 [iv_an_ru]

There's an e-mail in public-rdf-dawg@w3.org

14:51:54 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0082.html Ivan M soliciting SPARQL endpoints

14:52:37 [LeeF]

zakim, close this agendum

14:52:37 [Zakim]

agendum 5 closed

14:52:38 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:52:40 [Zakim]

3. test suite [from LeeF]

14:52:46 [LeeF]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:52:46 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "test suite" taken up [from LeeF]

14:53:26 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0076.html tests to approve via SPARQL query

14:55:55 [LeeF]

<http://w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest.ttl#bgp-no-match>

14:55:55 [LeeF]

14:55:55 [LeeF]

<http://w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest.ttl#prefix-name-1>

14:57:32 [LeeF]

LeeF: Glitter and ARQ pass #prefix-name-1, Glitter passes both

14:58:50 [LeeF]

PREFIX ex: <http://example.org>

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...

14:58:50 [LeeF]

ex:

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BASE <http://example.org>

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...

14:59:06 [LeeF]

<>

14:59:23 [chimezie]

BASE <http://example.org>

14:59:25 [chimezie]

:bar

14:59:56 [ericP]

./algae --test "Non-matching triple pattern" --test "Prefix name 1" --manifest /home/eric/WWW/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest.ttl

15:00:19 [LeeF]

PROPOSE: Approve both http://w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest.ttl#bgp-no-match and http://w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest.ttl#prefix-name-1

15:00:24 [LeeF]

ericP, seconds

15:00:32 [LeeF]

resolved

15:01:01 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0065.html new ASK test

15:02:26 [LeeF]

-> http://tinyurl.com/2f9bmb

15:03:26 [Zakim]

-EricP

15:04:39 [LeeF]

ARQ, JXT, Glitter all pass the test

15:05:03 [LeeF]

PROPOSE: Approve http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0065.html

15:05:05 [LeeF]

chimezie, seconds

15:05:15 [LeeF]

resolved

15:05:45 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/boolean-effective-value/manifest#dawg-boolean-literal

15:06:14 [iv_an_ru]

Orri, I'm on Skype already.

15:06:27 [LeeF]

iv_an_ru, can you run these tests?

15:06:35 [LeeF]

zakim, who's speaking?

15:06:46 [Zakim]

LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: LeeF (54%), Orri_Erling (0%)

15:06:54 [ericP]

Zakim, please dial ericP-office

15:06:54 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

15:06:55 [Zakim]

+EricP

15:06:56 [LeeF]

zakim, mute me

15:06:56 [Zakim]

LeeF should now be muted

15:07:00 [LeeF]

zakim, unmute me

15:07:00 [Zakim]

LeeF should no longer be muted

15:07:50 [LeeF]

iv_an_ru, if you can, please try these tests as we paste them in IRC and let us know if you're able to pass them

15:08:16 [iv_an_ru]

yes

15:08:17 [LeeF]

mf:name "Test literal 'true'"

15:10:35 [LeeF]

PROPOSE: Approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/boolean-effective-value/manifest#dawg-boolean-literal

15:10:52 [LeeF]

ericP seconds

15:10:55 [LeeF]

resolved

15:11:21 [LeeF]

iv_an_ru, we're now looking at the tests in expr-builtin

15:11:45 [iv_an_ru]

dawg-boolean-literal is OK for me.

15:13:22 [LeeF]

PROPOSE: Approve expr-builtin/manifest#dawg-isIRI, #dawg-isLiteral, #dawg-langMatches-basic

15:13:25 [LeeF]

ericP seconds

15:13:32 [LeeF]

resolved

15:13:39 [LeeF]

Now looking at everything in expr-ops

15:14:49 [iv_an_ru]

expr-builtin is OK for us except case-sensitivity of languages that should be fixed (known issue).

15:15:12 [LeeF]

ARQ and Glitter pass all in expr-ops

15:15:24 [LeeF]

Algae passes all but unary minus which is unimplemented

15:15:33 [chimezie]

RDFLib passes all but "Less-than or equals"

15:16:10 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Approve all 7 tests in expr-ops/

15:16:28 [LeeF]

chimezie seconds

15:16:38 [LeeF]

resolved

15:16:58 [LeeF]

iv_an_ru, can you next look at the tests in /cast/

15:17:07 [iv_an_ru]

Looking now...

15:18:21 [LeeF]

15:18:21 [LeeF]

@prefix : <http://example.org/> .

15:18:21 [LeeF]

15:18:21 [LeeF]

:iri :p :z .

15:18:21 [LeeF]

:str :p "string" .

15:18:22 [LeeF]

:fltdbl :p "-10.2E3" .

15:18:24 [LeeF]

:decimal :p "+33.3300" .

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:int :p "13" .

15:18:28 [LeeF]

:dT :p "2002-10-10T17:00:00Z" .

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:bool :p "true" .

15:18:39 [LeeF]

example query:

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PREFIX : <http://example.org/>

15:18:42 [LeeF]

PREFIX rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>

15:18:44 [LeeF]

PREFIX xsd: <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#>

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SELECT ?s WHERE {

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?s :p ?v .

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FILTER(datatype(xsd:double(?v)) = xsd:double) .

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}

15:19:49 [iv_an_ru]

It's ok for us as soon as integers are in 64-bit limits :)

15:19:50 [LeeF]

:fltdbl, :decimal, :int

15:23:04 [LeeF]

PROPOSE: Approve the tests in /cast/

15:23:40 [LeeF]

chimezie seconds

15:23:48 [LeeF]

resolved

15:24:43 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0078.html proposed tests for algebraic forms

15:25:54 [LeeF]

Let's walk through http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/optional/manifest#dawg-optional-complex-1

15:27:12 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/optional/complex-data-1.ttl

15:27:44 [LeeF]

15:27:44 [LeeF]

PREFIX foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/>

15:27:44 [LeeF]

SELECT ?person ?nick ?page ?img ?name ?firstN

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{

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?person foaf:nick ?nick

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OPTIONAL { ?person foaf:isPrimaryTopicOf ?page }

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OPTIONAL {

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?person foaf:name ?name

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{ ?person foaf:depiction ?img } UNION

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{ ?person foaf:firstName ?firstN }

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} FILTER ( bound(?page) || bound(?img) || bound(?firstN) )

15:27:57 [LeeF]

}

15:28:35 [LeeF]

first - pairs of bindings for ?person and ?nick for all but eve

15:28:41 [LeeF]

second - optional adds a ?page for john

15:29:36 [LeeF]

third - second optional adds a ?name and a ?img for alice and adds nothing for bert or john

15:30:09 [iv_an_ru]

tests in /optional/ does not contain filters, esp. filters with variables not bound 'somewhere near', so they're not "dangerous".

15:30:47 [LeeF]

fourth - filter excludes bert

15:31:17 [chimezie]

should these be moved to their own directory then? complex-algebra or something like that?

15:37:36 [Zakim]

-Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:37:39 [chimezie]

chimezie has left #dawg

15:37:40 [iv_an_ru]

Bye.

15:37:44 [Zakim]

-Orri_Erling

15:38:06 [Zakim]

-iv_an_ru

15:41:01 [Zakim]

-EricP

15:41:02 [Zakim]

-LeeF

15:41:03 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended

15:41:05 [Zakim]

Attendees were LeeF, Orri_Erling, EricP, Chimezie_Ogbuji, iv_an_ru

15:41:16 [LeeF]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:41:16 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/14-dawg-minutes.html LeeF

15:41:21 [LeeF]

RRSAgent, make logs world-access

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