IRC log of xmlsec on 2007-08-07

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/08/07-xmlsec-irc

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Zakim, this will be XMLSEC

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ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 07 August 2007

12:47:29 [tlr]

trackbot-ng, please be confused

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trackbot-ng, please start meeting

12:51:50 [tlr]

hi frederick

12:52:03 [tlr]

I just submitted a bug report about trackbot not accepting "please" in that phrase... Did it some minutes ago

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T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started

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+??P0

12:53:11 [tlr]

tlr has changed the topic to: XMLSEC | 965732 | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0006.html

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0006.html

12:53:17 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-78

12:53:17 [Zakim]

I am sorry, tlr; I do not know a number for thomas-78

12:53:20 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-781

12:53:20 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas

12:53:33 [tlr]

zakim, ??P0 is rmiller

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+rmiller; got it

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+Frederick_Hirsch

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zakim, rmiller is really rdm

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+rdm; got it

12:54:34 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

12:54:34 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rdm, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch

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On IRC I see rdm, fjh, rmiller, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng

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cgi663, who are you?

12:57:25 [fjh]

zakim, fjh is Frederick_Hirsch

12:57:25 [Zakim]

sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'fjh'

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zakim, Frederick_Hirsch is fjh

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+fjh; got it

12:57:38 [fjh]

zakim, mute me

12:57:38 [Zakim]

fjh should now be muted

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zakim, unmute me

12:57:43 [Zakim]

fjh should no longer be muted

12:58:54 [fjh]

Topic: Administrivia

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+sean

12:59:16 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

12:59:16 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rdm, Thomas, fjh, sean

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On IRC I see Sean, rdm, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng

12:59:38 [fjh]

Regrets: Juan Carlos Cruellas

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+Ed_Simon

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Topic: administrvia

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fjh: sean to scribe next meeting

13:01:20 [rdm]

fjh: first item is the workshop

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0056.html

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info on position papers

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fjh: we all should be writing position papers. deadline is 14 Aug

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... they need to get done this week

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Review and approval of last meeting's minutes

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Topic: minutes

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http://www.w3.org/2007/07/31-xmlsec-minutes

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RESOLUTION: Minutes approved

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Topic: Action Item Review

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+??P8

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ACTION-26: remains open

13:04:10 [klanz2]

zakim, ? is klanz2

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+klanz2; got it

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q+

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ack tlr

13:05:17 [rdm]

klanz2: working on a position paper and should have it done by the deadline

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tlr: there is quite a bit of work that needs to be done once the position papers start coming in

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... early submission is best

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... will discuss more next week

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ACTION-50: open and should be done by Thomas 14 Aug

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13:07:25 [klanz2]

zakim, agenda?

13:07:25 [Zakim]

I see nothing on the agenda

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agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0006.html

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+ +30281039aaaa

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ACTION-65: open

13:08:23 [tlr]

zakim, aaaa is Giles

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+Giles; got it

13:10:05 [rdm]

ACTION-68: open, Sean will confirm if it is done

13:10:44 [rdm]

Sean: we have a test plan

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... need to start implementing the test cases

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... need to assign test cases for implementation

13:11:39 [tlr]

I hear Sean saying "we need the test cases as data, as opposed to descriptions".

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sean, is that accurate?

13:12:02 [Sean]

yes

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13:12:08 [rdm]

ACTION-70: closed, duplicate of 65

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ACTION-71: open

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0005.html

13:15:47 [fjh]

ACTION: juan carlos add test case for RFC 4514 warning

13:15:48 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-75 - Carlos add test case for RFC 4514 warning [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-08-14].

13:17:02 [rdm]

ACTION-72: open

13:17:09 [fjh]

konrad: reviewing old and new XPointer, still in progress

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... discovered wide use, action-73

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tlr: need to verify we have comment list, parties in action-73 can use it

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public-xmlsec-comments@w3.org

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German Sparkasse?

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q+

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ack tlr

13:20:26 [rdm]

tlr: we are not depricating anything that has not been depricated before

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s/depricating/deprecating/g

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... this may be on the edge of our scope

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... for the workshop

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tlr: suggest asking for workshop position paper on XPointer and use cases

13:22:12 [rdm]

tlr: it is important to understand the non web service use cases

13:22:47 [rdm]

ACTION-73: open

13:23:35 [rdm]

fjh: we will discuss XPointer later in the agenda

13:23:53 [tlr]

topic: xmldsig-core draft

13:23:54 [fjh]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0007.html

13:24:17 [fjh]

In this specification, a 'same-document' reference is defined as a

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URI-Reference that does not contain a URI. [URI]

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, in other words a hash sign ('#') followed by a fragment identifier [URI]."

13:25:39 [tlr]

q+

13:25:42 [rdm]

fjh: It makes perfect sense RFC 2396 , but not for RFC3986

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ack tlr

13:26:05 [rdm]

... we may want to add some wording to clarify

13:27:38 [rdm]

fjh: the hash is not technically part of the fragment so we will need to discuss the hash

13:28:19 [rdm]

... should we just say a hash and a fragment identifyer?

13:28:30 [rdm]

klanz2: +1

13:28:31 [fjh]

s/discuss/mention/

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s/identifyer/identifier/

13:29:22 [fjh]

just say - In this specification, a 'same-document' reference is defined as a hash followed by a fragement identifier.

13:29:27 [klanz2]

RFC 2396:

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URI-reference = [ absoluteURI | relativeURI ] [ "#" fragment ]

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absoluteURI = scheme ":" ( hier_part | opaque_part )

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relativeURI = ( net_path | abs_path | rel_path ) [ "?" query ]

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s/fragement/fragment/

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defined as a URI refrence that consists of a hash sign ('#') followed by a fragment.

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URI-reference = URI / relative-ref

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same_document_URI = [ "#" fragment ]

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In this document same-document reference ="#" fragment

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URI reference that consists of hash sign ('#') followed by fragment identifier or an empty URI

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fragment identifier -> fragment

13:34:26 [tlr]

ACTION: frederick to make changes to document to (a) clarify same-document URI reference, (b) change reference to URI

13:34:27 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-76 - Make changes to document to (a) clarify same-document URI reference, (b) change reference to URI [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-08-14].

13:34:38 [tlr]

http://www.w3.org/2006/12/xml-c14n11

13:34:46 [fjh]

trl: need to define URI

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to replace @@ in draft

13:35:32 [fjh]

use this through interop testing, at C14N11 to PR might change, use this until then

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-xml-c14n11-20070621/

13:36:27 [rdm]

klanz2: it may be worse for the interop participants to be aware of comment in appendix A

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s/worse/worth/

13:36:44 [fjh]

klanz2: should include changes in Appendix A in testing (in CR draft)

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s/comment/comments

13:38:08 [rdm]

fjh: we need to decide what to do about the URI

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... any issues using the URI that Thomas has suggested?

13:38:35 [tlr]

ACTION: frederick to update algorithm URIs for c14n11

13:38:35 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-77 - Update algorithm URIs for c14n11 [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-08-14].

13:39:07 [tlr]

RESOLUTION: agree to use http://www.w3.org/2006/12/xml-c14n11 for c14n11 through interop (at least)

13:39:41 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

13:39:41 [Zakim]

sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

13:39:44 [tlr]

zakim, I am thomas

13:39:44 [Zakim]

ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas

13:41:42 [fjh]

are you saying that there are corrections to the C14N11 CR draft Appendix A that need to be considered?

13:42:08 [klanz2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Jun/0050.html

13:43:24 [fjh]

answer is yes, corrections to Appendix A in CR draft are not listed in CR draft but should be considered in our testing

13:43:51 [tlr]

http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-xml-c14n11-20070621

13:43:56 [tlr]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Jun/att-0050/Apendix_20060625.html

13:45:00 [fjh]

klanz2: The correct Appendix A for C14N11 is reflected in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Jun/att-0050/Apendix_20060625.html

13:45:08 [klanz2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Jun/att-0050/Apendix_20060625.html

13:48:01 [rdm]

fjh: we want to use the one that has benn corrected by Konrad

13:48:09 [rdm]

tlr: +1

13:48:10 [fjh]

Need to have note that we are using update to CR

13:48:13 [fjh]

+1

13:48:18 [rdm]

s/benn/been

13:48:39 [fjh]

Note needs to be in interop test document and interop event notes

13:49:20 [tlr]

ACTION: frederick to put note about corrected appendix A all over the place, including editor's note in xmldsig-core editor's draft

13:49:21 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-78 - Put note about corrected appendix A all over the place, including editor's note in xmldsig-core editor's draft [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-08-14].

13:50:29 [fjh]

klanz2: concerned about strong discourage of XPointer, since have been available since 2002 and used

13:51:08 [rdm]

... should warn rather than discourage

13:51:30 [klanz2]

Now: Support of the xpointer() scheme [XPointer-xpointer] beyond the minimal usage discussed in this section is discouraged.

13:52:42 [fjh]

discouraged for future signature generation (?)

13:54:14 [fjh]

tlr: Those who use full XPointer should lobby for Xpointer advancement

13:54:28 [EdS]

+1 to tlr

13:54:41 [klanz2]

zakim, mute me

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klanz2 should now be muted

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q+

13:55:11 [fjh]

q+

13:55:40 [klanz2]

ack klanz2

13:55:43 [fjh]

ack klanz

13:55:46 [fjh]

ack fjh

13:56:25 [rdm]

klanz2: concerned that we are working on an addition and not a revision

13:56:30 [fjh]

klanz2: addition binds all implementations, and this edition of XML Sig is an addition not revision

13:56:37 [fjh]

s/addition/edition/

13:56:48 [fjh]

s/an addition/

13:56:53 [fjh]

s/an additino/

13:56:59 [fjh]

s/an addition//

13:58:37 [EdS]

Sounds like we are stuck; Let's think about this over next week.

13:58:40 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

13:58:40 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rdm, Thomas, fjh, sean, Ed_Simon, klanz2, Giles

14:00:05 [Zakim]

-sean

14:00:08 [rdm]

fjh: see you next week

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-Giles

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-Ed_Simon

14:00:44 [klanz2]

tlr: do you want me to stay online ...

14:00:54 [klanz2]

EBICS etc ... ?

14:01:11 [fjh]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:01:11 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rdm, Thomas, fjh, klanz2

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:01:30 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/07-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr

14:02:13 [tlr]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:02:13 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/07-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr

14:03:15 [Zakim]

-fjh

14:03:16 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:03:16 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rdm, Thomas, klanz2

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-klanz2

14:03:54 [klanz2]

I was kicked out one sec

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let's go to skype instead

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zakim, drop me

14:04:05 [Zakim]

Thomas is being disconnected

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-Thomas

14:04:12 [klanz2]

zakim, what is the code?

14:04:12 [Zakim]

the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), klanz2

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-rdm

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T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Thomas, rdm, fjh, sean, Ed_Simon, klanz2, +30281039aaaa, Giles

14:04:45 [klanz2]

call you on skype OK?

14:04:49 [tlr]

ok

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skype is slow ....

14:21:48 [tlr]

http://www.w3.org/TR/xptr-element/

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