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12:46:42 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
12:46:42 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
12:46:44 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
12:46:46 <trackbot-ng> Date: 07 August 2007
12:47:29 <tlr> trackbot-ng, please be confused
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12:51:29 <fjh> trackbot-ng, please start meeting
12:51:50 <tlr> hi frederick
12:52:03 <tlr> I just submitted a bug report about trackbot not accepting "please" in that phrase... Did it some minutes ago
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12:52:42 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
12:52:49 <Zakim> +??P0
12:53:11 <tlr> tlr has changed the topic to: XMLSEC | 965732 | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0006.html
12:53:15 <tlr> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0006.html
12:53:17 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-78
12:53:17 <Zakim> I am sorry, tlr; I do not know a number for thomas-78
12:53:20 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
12:53:20 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
12:53:21 <Zakim> +Thomas
12:53:33 <tlr> zakim, ??P0 is rmiller
12:53:33 <Zakim> +rmiller; got it
12:53:34 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
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12:54:19 <tlr> zakim, rmiller is really rdm
12:54:19 <Zakim> +rdm; got it
12:54:34 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
12:54:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see rdm, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch
12:54:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see rdm, fjh, rmiller, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
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12:57:22 <tlr> cgi663, who are you?
12:57:25 <fjh> zakim, fjh is Frederick_Hirsch
12:57:25 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'fjh'
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12:57:31 <fjh> zakim, Frederick_Hirsch is fjh
12:57:31 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
12:57:38 <fjh> zakim, mute me
12:57:38 <Zakim> fjh should now be muted
12:57:43 <fjh> zakim, unmute me
12:57:43 <Zakim> fjh should no longer be muted
12:58:54 <fjh> Topic: Administrivia
12:59:13 <Zakim> +sean
12:59:16 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
12:59:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see rdm, Thomas, fjh, sean
12:59:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sean, rdm, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
12:59:38 <fjh> Regrets: Juan Carlos Cruellas
12:59:53 <Zakim> +Ed_Simon
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13:01:01 <tlr> Topic: administrvia
13:01:08 <tlr> fjh: sean to scribe next meeting
13:01:20 <rdm> fjh: first item is the workshop
13:01:31 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jul/0056.html
13:01:35 <fjh> info on position papers
13:01:59 <rdm> fjh: we all should be writing position papers. deadline is 14 Aug
13:02:08 <rdm> ... they need to get done this week
13:02:34 <fjh> Review and approval of last meeting's minutes
13:02:40 <tlr> Topic: minutes
13:02:41 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/31-xmlsec-minutes
13:03:03 <rdm> RESOLUTION: Minutes approved
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13:03:22 <rdm> Topic: Action Item Review
13:03:59 <Zakim> +??P8
13:04:09 <rdm> ACTION-26: remains open
13:04:10 <klanz2> zakim, ? is klanz2
13:04:10 <Zakim> +klanz2; got it
13:04:50 <tlr> q+
13:05:02 <fjh> ack tlr
13:05:17 <rdm> klanz2: working on a position paper and should have it done by the deadline
13:06:12 <rdm> tlr: there is quite a bit of work that needs to be done once the position papers start coming in
13:06:25 <rdm> ... early submission is best
13:06:34 <rdm> ... will discuss more next week
13:07:07 <rdm> ACTION-50: open and should be done by Thomas 14 Aug
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13:07:25 <klanz2>  zakim, agenda?
13:07:25 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
13:07:53 <fjh> agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0006.html
13:08:07 <Zakim> + +30281039aaaa
13:08:08 <rdm> ACTION-65: open
13:08:23 <tlr> zakim, aaaa is Giles
13:08:23 <Zakim> +Giles; got it
13:10:05 <rdm> ACTION-68: open, Sean will confirm if it is done
13:10:44 <rdm> Sean: we have a test plan
13:10:54 <rdm> ... need to start implementing the test cases
13:11:34 <rdm> ... need to assign test cases for implementation
13:11:39 <tlr> I hear Sean saying "we need the test cases as data, as opposed to descriptions".
13:11:56 <tlr> sean, is that accurate?
13:12:02 <Sean> yes
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13:12:08 <rdm> ACTION-70: closed, duplicate of 65
13:13:06 <rdm> ACTION-71: open
13:13:57 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0005.html
13:15:47 <fjh> ACTION: juan carlos add test case for RFC 4514 warning
13:15:48 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-75 - Carlos add test case for RFC 4514 warning [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-08-14].
13:17:02 <rdm> ACTION-72: open
13:17:09 <fjh> konrad: reviewing old and new XPointer, still in progress
13:17:32 <fjh> ... discovered wide use, action-73
13:18:39 <fjh> tlr: need to verify we have comment list, parties in action-73 can use it
13:18:56 <tlr> public-xmlsec-comments@w3.org
13:19:23 <fjh> German Sparkasse?
13:19:37 <tlr> q+
13:19:43 <fjh> ack tlr
13:20:26 <rdm> tlr: we are not depricating anything that has not been depricated before
13:20:39 <fjh> s/depricating/deprecating/g
13:20:48 <rdm> ... this may be on the edge of our scope
13:21:22 <fjh> ... for the workshop
13:21:50 <fjh> tlr: suggest asking for workshop position paper on XPointer and use cases
13:22:12 <rdm> tlr: it is important to understand the non web service use cases
13:22:47 <rdm> ACTION-73: open
13:23:35 <rdm> fjh: we will discuss XPointer later in the agenda
13:23:53 <tlr> topic: xmldsig-core draft
13:23:54 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0007.html
13:24:17 <fjh> In this specification, a 'same-document' reference is defined as a
13:24:27 <fjh> URI-Reference that does not contain a URI. [URI]
13:24:50 <fjh> , in other words a hash sign  ('#') followed by a fragment identifier [URI]."
13:25:39 <tlr> q+
13:25:42 <rdm> fjh: It makes perfect sense RFC 2396 , but not for RFC3986
13:25:58 <fjh> ack tlr
13:26:05 <rdm> ...  we may want to add some wording to clarify
13:27:38 <rdm> fjh: the hash is not technically part of the fragment so we will need to discuss the hash
13:28:19 <rdm> ... should we just say a hash and a fragment identifyer?
13:28:30 <rdm> klanz2: +1
13:28:31 <fjh> s/discuss/mention/
13:28:39 <fjh> s/identifyer/identifier/
13:29:22 <fjh> just say - In this specification, a 'same-document' reference is defined as a hash followed by a fragement identifier.
13:29:27 <klanz2> RFC 2396:
13:29:37 <klanz2>       URI-reference = [ absoluteURI | relativeURI ] [ "#" fragment ]
13:29:37 <klanz2>       absoluteURI   = scheme ":" ( hier_part | opaque_part )
13:29:37 <klanz2>       relativeURI   = ( net_path | abs_path | rel_path ) [ "?" query ]
13:29:44 <fjh> s/fragement/fragment/
13:29:44 <tlr> defined as a URI refrence that consists of a hash sign ('#') followed by a fragment.
13:30:31 <tlr>       URI-reference = URI / relative-ref
13:30:54 <klanz2> same_document_URI = [ "#" fragment ]
13:31:02 <fjh> In this document same-document reference  ="#" fragment
13:32:02 <fjh> URI reference that consists of hash sign ('#') followed by fragment identifier or an empty URI
13:32:29 <tlr> fragment identifier -> fragment
13:34:26 <tlr> ACTION: frederick to make changes to document to (a) clarify same-document URI reference, (b) change reference to URI
13:34:27 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-76 - Make changes to document to (a) clarify same-document URI reference, (b) change reference to URI [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-08-14].
13:34:38 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/2006/12/xml-c14n11
13:34:46 <fjh> trl: need to define URI
13:34:54 <fjh> to replace @@ in draft
13:35:32 <fjh> use this through interop testing, at C14N11 to PR might change, use this until then
13:36:15 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-xml-c14n11-20070621/
13:36:27 <rdm> klanz2: it may be worse for the interop participants to  be aware of comment in appendix A
13:36:33 <tlr> s/worse/worth/
13:36:44 <fjh> klanz2: should include changes in Appendix A in testing (in CR draft)
13:37:02 <rdm> s/comment/comments
13:38:08 <rdm> fjh: we need to decide what to do about the URI
13:38:33 <rdm> ... any issues using the URI that Thomas has suggested?
13:38:35 <tlr> ACTION: frederick to update algorithm URIs for c14n11
13:38:35 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-77 - Update algorithm URIs for c14n11 [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-08-14].
13:39:07 <tlr> RESOLUTION: agree to use http://www.w3.org/2006/12/xml-c14n11 for c14n11 through interop (at least)
13:39:41 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:39:41 <Zakim> sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:39:44 <tlr> zakim, I am thomas
13:39:44 <Zakim> ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
13:41:42 <fjh> are you saying that there are corrections to the C14N11 CR draft Appendix A that need to be considered?
13:42:08 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Jun/0050.html
13:43:24 <fjh> answer is yes, corrections to Appendix A in CR draft are not listed in CR draft but should be considered in our testing
13:43:51 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-xml-c14n11-20070621
13:43:56 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Jun/att-0050/Apendix_20060625.html
13:45:00 <fjh> klanz2: The correct Appendix A for C14N11 is reflected in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Jun/att-0050/Apendix_20060625.html
13:45:08 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Jun/att-0050/Apendix_20060625.html
13:48:01 <rdm> fjh: we want to use the one that has benn corrected by Konrad
13:48:09 <rdm> tlr: +1
13:48:10 <fjh> Need to have note that we are using update to CR 
13:48:13 <fjh> +1
13:48:18 <rdm> s/benn/been
13:48:39 <fjh> Note needs to be in interop test document and interop event notes
13:49:20 <tlr> ACTION: frederick to put note about corrected appendix A all over the place, including editor's note in xmldsig-core editor's draft
13:49:21 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-78 - Put note about corrected appendix A all over the place, including editor's note in xmldsig-core editor's draft [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-08-14].
13:50:29 <fjh> klanz2: concerned about strong discourage of XPointer, since have been available since 2002 and used
13:51:08 <rdm> ... should warn rather than discourage
13:51:30 <klanz2> Now: Support of the xpointer() scheme [XPointer-xpointer] beyond the minimal usage discussed in this section is discouraged.
13:52:42 <fjh> discouraged for future signature generation (?)
13:54:14 <fjh> tlr: Those who use full XPointer should lobby for Xpointer advancement
13:54:28 <EdS> +1 to tlr
13:54:41 <klanz2> zakim, mute me
13:54:41 <Zakim> klanz2 should now be muted
13:55:05 <klanz2> q+
13:55:11 <fjh> q+
13:55:40 <klanz2> ack klanz2
13:55:43 <fjh> ack klanz
13:55:46 <fjh> ack fjh
13:56:25 <rdm> klanz2: concerned that we are working on an addition and not a revision
13:56:30 <fjh> klanz2: addition binds all implementations, and this edition of XML Sig is an addition not revision
13:56:37 <fjh> s/addition/edition/
13:56:48 <fjh> s/an addition/
13:56:53 <fjh> s/an additino/
13:56:59 <fjh> s/an addition//
13:58:37 <EdS> Sounds like we are stuck; Let's think about this over next week.
13:58:40 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:58:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see rdm, Thomas, fjh, sean, Ed_Simon, klanz2, Giles
14:00:05 <Zakim> -sean
14:00:08 <rdm> fjh: see you next week
14:00:16 <Zakim> -Giles
14:00:18 <Zakim> -Ed_Simon
14:00:44 <klanz2> tlr: do you want me to stay online ...
14:00:54 <klanz2> EBICS etc ... ?
14:01:11 <fjh> zakim, who is on the call?
14:01:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see rdm, Thomas, fjh, klanz2
14:01:16 <tlr> rrsagent, make log public
14:01:30 <tlr> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:01:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/07-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
14:02:13 <tlr> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:02:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/07-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
14:03:15 <Zakim> -fjh
14:03:16 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see rdm, Thomas, klanz2
14:03:49 <Zakim> -klanz2
14:03:54 <klanz2> I was kicked out one sec
14:04:03 <tlr> let's go to skype instead
14:04:05 <tlr> zakim, drop me
14:04:05 <Zakim> Thomas is being disconnected
14:04:06 <Zakim> -Thomas
14:04:12 <klanz2> zakim, what is the code?
14:04:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), klanz2
14:04:24 <Zakim> -rdm
14:04:29 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended
14:04:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Thomas, rdm, fjh, sean, Ed_Simon, klanz2, +30281039aaaa, Giles
14:04:45 <klanz2> call you on skype OK?
14:04:49 <tlr> ok
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14:06:08 <klanz2> skype is slow ....
14:21:48 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/TR/xptr-element/
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