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13:59:01 <Zakim> + +1.781.662.aaaa
13:59:36 <Zakim> + +49.895.480.aabb
13:59:37 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-617
13:59:37 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
13:59:38 <Zakim> +Ivan
13:59:46 <Zakim> +??P8
13:59:52 <bengee> zakim, ??P9 is me
13:59:52 <Zakim> sorry, bengee, I do not recognize a party named '??P9'
13:59:55 <Zakim> +LeeF
13:59:57 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is susie
13:59:57 <Zakim> +susie; got it
13:59:58 <bengee> zakim, ??P8 is me
13:59:58 <Zakim> +bengee; got it
14:00:07 <ivan> zakim who is here?
14:00:16 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
14:00:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see susie, +49.895.480.aabb, Ivan, bengee, LeeF
14:00:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Dunja, RRSAgent, Zakim, Susie, bengee, ivan, LeeF_, uldis__, _uldis_
14:00:32 <ivan> zakim, aabb is dunja
14:00:32 <Zakim> +dunja; got it
14:01:06 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
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14:03:48 <bengee> topic: flyer
14:04:15 <bengee> susie would like to provide some additions
14:04:36 <bengee> objective: to get the flyer finished during the next few weeks
14:04:37 <leobard> leobard has joined #sweo
14:05:04 <bengee> bengee sent mail to the list about maybe discussing things too much, leading to a delay
14:05:26 <bengee> susie suggests to have a flyer-only meeting
14:05:34 <bengee> .. then report back to the group
14:05:46 <bengee> .. then aproach the comm team
14:05:49 <Zakim> +??P11
14:05:57 <leobard> leo  phoned in
14:06:07 <ivan> zakim, P11 is leo
14:06:07 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'P11'
14:06:16 <ivan> zakim, ??P11 is leo
14:06:16 <Zakim> +leo; got it
14:06:27 <bengee> dunja happy about proposal to move things forward that way
14:07:12 <bengee> possible problem: forthcoming w3c semweb branding
14:07:36 <bengee> ivan doesn't think it'll have an effect on the flyer design
14:08:10 <bengee> basic flyer design should be ale to stay as is, maybe a/the semweb logo will be added
14:09:17 <Dunja> I'm out again, I try to dial in...
14:09:37 <Zakim> -LeeF
14:09:38 <bengee> .. a color tweak might be needed/helpful
14:09:59 <bengee> to be in line with (exact) w3c ones
14:10:10 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:10:41 <Zakim> +??P12
14:10:56 <ivan> zakim, ??P12 is dunja
14:10:56 <Zakim> +dunja; got it
14:12:00 <bengee> topic: logo/semweb branding
14:12:32 <bengee> there was a meeting with the comm team last week
14:12:42 <bengee> progress is made
14:13:13 <bengee> .. there'll be a general semweb branding consisting of a logo and a color palette
14:13:57 <bengee> .. with the possibility to create tech logos w/o conflicting with the higher level branding
14:14:20 <bengee> topic: flyer (2)
14:14:58 <bengee> action: ivan to organize w3c color specs and make them available to dunja
14:15:35 <Zakim> -dunja.a
14:15:40 <Dunja> I try again...
14:16:18 <bengee> flyer meeting date will be coordinated via email 
14:16:31 <bengee> topic: use cases / case studies
14:16:39 <bengee> no news
14:17:08 <LeeF_> it's a long presentation :)
14:17:39 <bengee> .. trying to contact/encourage additional people
14:17:48 <Zakim> +??P12
14:17:54 <bengee> topic: info gathering
14:18:33 <bengee> leo reports
14:18:38 <bengee> ... endpoint is up
14:18:55 <bengee> ... minor bug fixing going on
14:20:01 <bengee> .. no major issues, just didn't start utlizing it really
14:20:21 <bengee> .. suggests to do some tests/use cases for the portal
14:20:51 <bengee> kingsley preaches to the converted
14:21:13 <bengee> ... wonders about interface structure
14:22:24 <bengee> ... thinks the approach is right, but it's not clear who is goingn to write the view/app layer
14:23:09 <bengee> danja suggested to replicate the data and use a (standalone) browser like longwell 
14:23:57 <bengee> which might work, but a more light-weight (off-endpoint) solution would be more interesting/clean
14:24:33 <bengee> leo to create some test scripts
14:24:59 <LeeF> LeeF has joined #sweo
14:25:07 <bengee> ... for next sewo call (in 2 weeks)
14:25:14 <bengee> s/sewo/sweo/
14:26:46 <LeeF> q+ to ruminate on education and outreach
14:26:48 <bengee> susie mentions people who are working on a portal, suggests giving access and maintaining a list of people working with the sweo data
14:27:12 <bengee> .. access is given already (via endpoint)
14:28:10 <bengee> kidehen suggests to divide the "deliverables" with task one (access) being done, and a/many portal/s as a different activity
14:28:59 <leobard> all the people shold be listed here:
14:28:59 <leobard> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataSources
14:29:06 <bengee> ... might make sense to "outsource" the portal creation
14:29:25 <bengee> .. might happen automatically anyway
14:30:26 <ivan> q+
14:31:18 <bengee> LeeF thinks data + endpoint is not enough for effective outreach
14:32:12 <bengee> .. human-oriented thingy should be available, no matter if created by sweo or third parties
14:32:29 <leobard> q+
14:33:38 <Susie> The Semantic Report portal: http://semanticreport.com/
14:33:55 <leobard> Ivan, they are in section  "Information on Communities and Outreach Organizations"
14:34:14 <bengee> ivan thinks wiki might be extneded with a page for people re-using the data (not DataSources)
14:35:04 <leobard> q+
14:35:28 <bengee> ... not sure about bandwidth to create a portal from internal sweo energies
14:35:37 <bengee> .. happy to be proven wrong
14:36:52 <bengee> leo suggests to create a portal creation tutorial instead
14:37:20 <leobard> I also suggest that we, instead of writing a portal, we write the content that would live on such portal
14:37:35 <leobard> for example, we write guides for "beginners guide for the semantic web"
14:38:15 <bengee> susie asks the group to think about priorities
14:38:35 <bengee> ... what to focus on in the upcoming weeks/months
14:38:49 <Zakim> -leo
14:39:26 <bengee> ... to define some (achievable) next actions
14:39:37 <bengee> topic: community projects
14:39:45 <Zakim> +??P0
14:39:45 <leobard> rehi
14:39:54 <leobard> zakim, -??p0 is leo
14:39:54 <Zakim> sorry, leobard, I do not recognize a party named '-??p0'
14:39:58 <ivan> zakim, ??P0 is leo
14:39:58 <Zakim> +leo; got it
14:40:21 <bengee> ... may benefit from a status update, to check progress
14:41:27 <Susie> Leo can publish URI document as a SWEO note.
14:41:37 <leobard> cya
14:41:38 <Zakim> -bengee
14:41:46 <Susie> Waiting for feeddback from Richard on the note.
14:42:24 <LeeF> I don't know if we want to open this can of worms, but the SW HCLS IG recently had a huge thread on URIs - do we want to solicit comments from them?
14:43:50 <leobard> my uri paper sums up the TAG findings regarding http-range-14, so its on safe ground. And its a tutorial. I would not consider any ohter sources besides TAG :-))
14:44:17 <leobard> in this URI things, there is a whole supermarket of "can of worms"
14:44:23 <LeeF> :-D
14:44:37 <ivan> q?
14:44:43 <ivan> ack leef
14:44:43 <Zakim> LeeF, you wanted to ruminate on education and outreach
14:44:44 <LeeF> ack LeeF
14:44:45 <ivan> ack ivan
14:44:48 <ivan> ack leobard
14:44:58 <LeeF> I think we should go back to 8-character identifiers for everything - not much room to disagree on schemes there
14:45:29 <leobard> the linked data document is a little different. we should make one tutorial that gives the links to the best documents
14:45:49 <leobard> +1 to kingsley, we can tie the stuff together
14:46:06 <LeeF> tie the stuff together using a SW info portal? 
14:46:29 <leobard> LeeF: portal would be cool, but I doubt we can stem that. One tutorial we write together in 
14:46:36 <leobard> one html page should be a good start.
14:51:13 <leobard> kingsley, do you mean that http-range-14 is bad for doing evangelism and outreach? (hm)
14:55:20 <leobard> kingsley: perhaps we can add one good sentence to the "cool uris" document saying "HTTP uris are one way to identify resource, other, equally valid appraoches are urn, etc etc"
14:57:04 <Zakim> -Kingsley_Idehen
14:57:05 <Zakim> -susie
14:57:05 <Zakim> -Ivan
14:57:06 <Zakim> -??P12
14:57:10 <Zakim> -leo
14:57:30 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:57:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/25-sweo-minutes.html ivan
14:57:36 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
14:57:36 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/25-sweo-actions.rdf :
14:57:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ivan to organize w3c color specs and make them available to dunja [1]
14:57:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/25-sweo-irc#T14-14-58