IRC log of html-wg on 2007-07-19
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-html-wg-irc
- 16:57:08 [DanC]
- agenda + Convene HTML WG meeting of 2007-07-19T17:00:00Z
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- agenda + Detailed Spec Reviews, progress update
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- agenda + proposed design principles
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- agenda + Email traffic shaping
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- agenda + Test suite organization
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- 17:00:33 [Zakim]
- HTML_WG()1:00PM has now started
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- +DanC
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- Zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Convene HTML WG meeting of 2007-07-19T17:00:00Z" taken up [from DanC]
- 17:01:14 [DanC]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/0900.html
- 17:01:42 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
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- +Julian
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- +[Mozilla]
- 17:02:26 [DanC]
- Zakim, [Microsoft] is ChrisW
- 17:02:26 [Zakim]
- +ChrisW; got it
- 17:02:43 [DanC]
- Zakim, [Mozilla] Gavin_Sharp
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- I don't understand '[Mozilla] Gavin_Sharp', DanC
- 17:02:48 [DanC]
- Zakim, [Mozilla] is Gavin_Sharp
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- +Gavin_Sharp; got it
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- + +1.218.340.aaaa
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- - +1.218.340.aaaa
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- +??P0
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- +Marcin_Hanclik
- 17:04:49 [DanC]
- Zakim, ??P0 is hsivonen
- 17:04:50 [Zakim]
- +hsivonen; got it
- 17:06:00 [hsivonen]
- advance regrets for having to leave early
- 17:06:36 [DanC]
- regrets: Hickson, AnnevK (holiday), Orton, Sneddon
- 17:06:56 [DanC]
- Chair: DanC
- 17:07:04 [DanC]
- Scribe: DanC
- 17:07:17 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 17:07:17 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see DanC, Julian, ChrisW, Gavin_Sharp, hsivonen, Marcin_Hanclik
- 17:07:21 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/Zakim.html
- 17:07:59 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 17:07:59 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Detailed Spec Reviews, progress update" taken up [from DanC]
- 17:08:21 [DanC]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SpecReviews
- 17:08:48 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fhtml%2Fwg%2Fwhowhat.xsl&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2002%2F09%2Fwbs%2F40318%2Ftasks83%2Fresults&content-type=&submit=transform
- 17:09:22 [DanC]
- DanC: reviews are coming in, with detailed test discussions arising
- 17:09:29 [DanC]
- DanC: sorry I haven't done my review of intro yet
- 17:09:46 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-html-wg-minutes
- 17:10:00 [DanC]
- "<hsivonen> I've seen detailed review from myself, zcorpan, gsnedders and Rob Burns"
- 17:10:14 [hsivonen]
- zcorpan is Simon Pieters
- 17:11:09 [DanC]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/0822.html DOMTokenList.add() when the underlying string is empty (detailed review of the DOM) Simon Pieters (Tuesday, 17 July)
- 17:11:27 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 17:11:27 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see DanC, Julian, ChrisW, Gavin_Sharp, hsivonen, Marcin_Hanclik
- 17:14:11 [DanC]
- Dan goes around the table noting sections people here are reviewing...
- 17:14:44 [DanC]
- DanC: with reviews coming in thru end of august, perhaps better to aim for mid sep for spec release
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/tasks83/
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- 17:16:25 [DanC]
- hsivonen: on schedule. implemented tree builder and tokenizer...
- 17:16:36 [DanC]
- ... so things are going as planned
- 17:16:48 [DanC]
- Zakim, passcode?
- 17:16:48 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), DanC
- 17:18:02 [DanC]
- [maybe more stuff to record...]
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "proposed design principles" taken up [from DanC]
- 17:18:41 [DanC]
- I'm thinking about a survey... http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/dprv/
- 17:20:36 [DanC]
- DanC: [trying to connect with mjs...]
- 17:20:52 [DanC]
- ChrisW: I think "don't break the web" got replaced by 2, and those are disputed
- 17:22:02 [DanC]
- DanC: I need to update my agenda page
- 17:22:44 [DanC]
- ACTION ChrisW: ping mjs re design principles
- 17:22:53 [DanC]
- ChrisW: and if that doesn't work out, I'll try to look at pending comments
- 17:23:07 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 17:23:07 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see DanC, Julian, ChrisW, Gavin_Sharp, hsivonen, Marcin_Hanclik
- 17:24:04 [DanC]
- DanC: I'm trying to use the design principles in the design review discussion; it worked well once and poorly once
- 17:25:03 [DanC]
- ChrisW: there are some things I'd like expanded... "secure by design". I think we'll have to make a decision on the disputed principles soon. There are arguments both ways, but it's important to say something.
- 17:25:18 [DanC]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ProposedDesignPrinciples
- 17:25:37 [Julian]
- which ones are the ones being disputed?
- 17:25:53 [DanC]
- ACTION Gavin_Sharp: review design principles in the next two weeks
- 17:27:02 [DanC]
- hsivonen: yesterday I saw discussion about being "structural"; it seems low priority to me.
- 17:27:19 [DanC]
- ... I agree with "visible metadata" and "no version syntax"
- 17:28:21 [DanC]
- DanC: timing? stick with Mid Aug?
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- (some concur)
- 17:28:33 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 17:28:33 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Email traffic shaping" taken up [from DanC]
- 17:30:18 [DanC]
- DanC: I'm interested for help with email traffic shaping
- 17:32:24 [hsivonen]
- q+
- 17:34:29 [DanC]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SpecReviews
- 17:35:44 [DanC]
- ack hsivonen
- 17:36:43 [DanC]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/0874.html Character encoding errors (detailed review of parsing algorithm) Henri Sivonen (Wednesday, 18 July)
- 17:37:00 [DanC]
- ^works well for me
- 17:37:06 [hsivonen]
- unfortunately, my time is up. have to leave.
- 17:37:11 [DanC]
- hsivonen: editors encourage that style too
- 17:38:05 [DanC]
- ChrisW: I wonder how to incorporate voting/group-priority, digg-style into the system
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- -hsivonen
- 17:39:11 [DanC]
- DanC: yes... hmm.. some way to do "+1" that doesn't involve mail to 400 inboxes
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- hmm... www-collaboration ...
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 5. "Test suite organization" taken up [from DanC]
- 17:40:19 [hsivonen]
- (I'm sorry if I missed something addressed to me. an incoming call messed me up)
- 17:40:35 [DanC]
- regrets+ Geoffrey Sneddon
- 17:41:39 [DanC]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/HtmlTestMaterials
- 17:43:05 [DanC]
- DanC: we have offers, in the tasks survey, to do testing and report results
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- ChrisW: might talk to CSS WG too
- 17:45:12 [DanC]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Jul/0004.html Testing the submission framework for the Open Mobile Web Test Suite
- 17:47:02 [DanC]
- Topic: next meeting: 2 Aug
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- DanC: I offer to chair 2 Aug
- 17:47:13 [DanC]
- 26 July is cancelled.
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- -ChrisW
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- -Julian
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- -Marcin_Hanclik
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- -Gavin_Sharp
- 17:48:35 [DanC]
- Zakim, I hung up
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- I don't understand 'I hung up', DanC
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- Zakim, drop danc
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- DanC is being disconnected
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- HTML_WG()1:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were DanC, Julian, ChrisW, Gavin_Sharp, +1.218.340.aaaa, Marcin_Hanclik, hsivonen
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
- 18:29:27 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, make logs world-access
- 18:30:31 [DanC]
- Meeting: HTML WG Teleconference
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
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- ACTION: ChrisW to try to find a Seattle/OZ/Asia time [CONTINUES]
- 18:34:19 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-html-wg-minutes.html DanC
- 18:59:57 [oedipus]
- according to zakim, the conference room is full
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- according to zakim, the conference room is restricted at this time... the agenda said 1700z, but josh at MIT said the call was scheduled from 1pm boston time to 3pm boston time
- 19:09:47 [DanC]
- the conference is done
- 19:10:07 [oedipus]
- thanks, DanC, i mustn't have received the memo
- 19:10:29 [DanC]
- it started right around 1700Z and finished around 1748Z
- 19:10:49 [DanC]
- i.e. 1:00 to 1:48pm boston time
- 19:11:02 [DanC]
- was there anything in particular you wanted to discuss?
- 19:11:34 [oedipus]
- my internal clock must be off - i'll read the minutes
- 19:11:40 [oedipus]
- oedipus = gregory j. rosmaita
- 19:11:46 [DanC]
- ah. thanks
- 19:12:05 [oedipus]
- at least i spent the time constructively, working on the WG's wiki
- 19:12:11 [DanC]
- cool
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- ah. right. i had promised to contribute with test cases for xhr
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