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13:44:13 <ivan> zakim, this will be SWEO
13:44:13 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
13:44:23 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
13:44:32 <ivan> Topic: SWEO IG Weekly Telco
13:44:35 <ivan> Chair: Ivan
13:45:35 <ivan> Regrets: Susie
13:50:27 <ivan> Possible regrets: Kingsley, LeeF
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13:56:08 <LeeF> ivan, (re: scribing) i'll be available for about the first half of the meeting, but probably need to duck out after that
13:56:29 <ivan> ok. 
13:56:40 <ivan> we will try to recruit somebody to take over (if needed)
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13:59:07 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-home
13:59:07 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
13:59:10 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started
13:59:18 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:00:51 <Zakim> + +49.895.480.aaaa
14:01:08 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is dunja
14:01:10 <Zakim> +dunja; got it
14:01:18 <Zakim> +??P10
14:01:35 <Zakim> + +49.892.180.aabb
14:01:41 <bengee> zakim, P10 is me
14:01:41 <Zakim> sorry, bengee, I do not recognize a party named 'P10'
14:01:46 <bengee> zakim, ??P10 is me
14:01:46 <Zakim> +bengee; got it
14:01:59 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Paula
14:02:01 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
14:03:01 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:03:37 <Zakim> +??P34
14:03:49 <LeeF> Scribe: LeeF
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14:04:01 <LeeF> zakim, mute me please
14:04:01 <Zakim> LeeF should now be muted
14:04:07 <ivan> zakim, ??P34 is Leo
14:04:11 <Zakim> +Leo; got it
14:05:13 <LeeF> Regrets: Susie, kidehen
14:05:16 <ivan> topic: flyer
14:05:35 <Zakim> +??P17
14:05:37 <LeeF> Dunja: thanks for survey feedback
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14:06:05 <LeeF> ...preference of group is for a mixed flyer
14:06:16 <kidehen> kingsley
14:06:22 <kidehen> for 30 mins only 
14:06:27 <ivan> zakim, ??P17 is kingsley
14:06:27 <Zakim> +kingsley; got it
14:06:29 <LeeF> ...4 vs. 5 for "two flyers" vs. "mixed flyer"
14:06:29 <LeeF> Regrets -kidehen
14:06:44 <kidehen> LeeF: partial :-)
14:06:53 <LeeF> Dunja: Majority prefers the cover page with the keys, possibly with small wording or image changes
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14:08:05 <LeeF_> zakim, who's here?
14:08:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, dunja, bengee, PaulaP, LeeF (muted), Leo, kingsley
14:08:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see LeeF_, kidehen, leobard, Dunja, PaulaP, LeeF, RRSAgent, Zakim, uldis_, _uldis, bengee, ivan
14:08:38 <LeeF_> Dunja: data integration image for page 3 - big majority for Leo's image
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14:08:52 <LeeF_> ...with some modification from a designer, and rewriting of additional info
14:09:17 <LeeF_> ...semantic web layer cake - 2 votes for it, 3 against, 4 for having it if it's a tech flyer
14:09:29 <LeeF_> ...I propose having it for a mixed flyer
14:09:50 <LeeF_> kidehen: don't think there's general support for layer cake being in the flyer
14:10:24 <LeeF_> Dunja: layer cake would be in the technical part of the mixed flyer
14:10:31 <LeeF_> kidehen: how about a high level technical architecture imagte?
14:10:51 <LeeF_> ivan: i would propose something different
14:11:08 <LeeF_> ...dunja, see if they can propose a version of the flyer based on the survey results
14:11:13 <LeeF_> ...then we can see whether the layer cake fits in
14:11:16 <leobard> +1 on that
14:14:08 <LeeF_> <group discussion on trying to reach consensus on a flyer as soon as possible>
14:14:15 <ivan> q?
14:14:43 <ivan> Topic: logo
14:15:09 <leobard> sounds like you have swallowed digits :-)
14:15:14 <PaulaP> :)
14:15:37 <leobard> better
14:16:03 <LeeF_> bengee: two meetings with the comm team
14:16:22 <leobard> bengee: they are going to create new proposals
14:16:33 <leobard> bengee: its quite demandig
14:16:37 <leobard> bengee: there is progress
14:16:55 <leobard> bengee: some logo will be integrated
14:17:32 <LeeF_> ivan: main difference between what we had and what the comm team wants is that there should be more emphasis on the overall Semantic Web
14:17:45 <danja> (no strong opinions re. flyer)
14:18:18 <LeeF_> ...comm team will make next proposal
14:18:33 <ivan> topic: use case
14:19:35 <LeeF_> ivan: i have put in a new use case from ???
14:19:40 <ivan> Elsevier
14:19:50 <LeeF_> s/???/Elsevier
14:20:12 <LeeF_> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/Elsevier/ Elsevier use case
14:20:32 <ivan> topic: infogathering
14:20:46 <kidehen> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/WishList
14:21:00 <LeeF_> leobard: kingsley made improvements to web service, debugging going on
14:21:09 <LeeF_> ...task is to store RDF in an RDF store and make it usable
14:21:22 <leobard> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/WishList
14:21:24 <LeeF_> ...bug tracking system
14:21:52 <LeeF_> leobard: deeper problems regarding transformation and use of data
14:22:04 <LeeF_> ...data might not conform to any known ontology, manual work to massage
14:22:41 <LeeF_> kidehen: wishlist page has saved queries that show how to get at the data
14:24:04 <LeeF> LeeF has joined #sweo
14:24:21 <LeeF> ...this is just a SPARQL + XSLT problem
14:25:38 <leobard> ivan: suggest a vieser
14:25:45 <leobard> viewer
14:26:43 <kidehen> bye
14:26:58 <Zakim> -kingsley
14:27:34 <bengee> leobard: next step after data finetuning
14:27:39 <bengee> ... UI / portal
14:28:06 <bengee> ... will send another mail to the group for further ideas, implementation proposals
14:28:13 <Zakim> -dunja
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14:28:45 <bengee> ivan thinks Fred's browser or the obviously built-in Fresnel support could be an intersting start
14:28:53 <ivan> topic: URI document
14:29:09 <bengee> (cool uris for the semweb)
14:29:17 <bengee> two open questions
14:29:27 <bengee> leo not sure about next step
14:29:31 <Dunja> sorry, something throw me out
14:29:40 <bengee> ivan: either publish it via dfki
14:29:55 <bengee> or somehwo else, but basically up to leo
14:30:05 <bengee> s/somewho/somehow/
14:30:16 <bengee> topic: comm project
14:30:22 <ivan> topic: comm projects
14:30:48 <bengee> knowee: moving from concept pahse to design stage
14:30:52 <bengee> phase even
14:31:24 <bengee> skipping the remaining topics (survey, tech planery, f2f)
14:31:28 <bengee> AOB?
14:31:30 <bengee> 3
14:31:31 <bengee> 2
14:31:31 <bengee> 1
14:31:37 <bengee> no
14:32:10 <PaulaP> ok
14:32:17 <LeeF_> ack LeeF
14:33:12 <PaulaP> bye
14:33:18 <Zakim> -PaulaP
14:33:40 <leobard> bye
14:33:41 <Zakim> -Leo
14:34:00 <Zakim> -bengee
14:34:26 <bengee> 'bye
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14:38:17 <Zakim> -Ivan
14:38:18 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
14:38:20 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, +49.895.480.aaaa, dunja, +49.892.180.aabb, bengee, PaulaP, LeeF, Leo, kingsley
14:51:01 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:51:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-sweo-minutes.html ivan
14:51:14 <ivan> zakim, bye
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14:51:19 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
14:51:19 <RRSAgent> I see no action items