IRC log of dawg on 2007-07-03

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14:26:31 [RRSAgent]

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc

14:26:35 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be dawg

14:26:35 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

14:27:56 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started

14:27:57 [Zakim]

+??P2

14:27:59 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P2 is AndyS

14:27:59 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:28:16 [LeeF]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0000.html

14:28:28 [LeeF]

LeeF has changed the topic to: RDF Data Access - 3 Jul Agenda - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0000.html

14:28:34 [LeeF]

Chair: LeeF

14:28:40 [LeeF]

Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly

14:30:41 [chimezie]

chimezie has joined #dawg

14:32:01 [Zakim]

+Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:32:03 [Zakim]

-Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:32:04 [Zakim]

+Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:32:20 [chimezie]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:32:20 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AndyS, Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:33:08 [Zakim]

+[IBMCambridge]

14:33:19 [LeeF]

zakim, IBMCambridge is me

14:33:19 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

14:33:51 [LeeF]

Regrets: ericP

14:34:17 [LeeF]

SteveH, are you around today?

14:34:34 [SteveH]

LeeF, yeah

14:34:37 [SteveH]

dialing in a moment

14:34:41 [LeeF]

cool

14:35:04 [Zakim]

+??P9

14:35:10 [jeen]

Zakim, ??P9 is me

14:35:10 [Zakim]

+jeen; got it

14:35:40 [Zakim]

+??P10

14:35:51 [SteveH]

Zakim, ??P10 is SteveH

14:35:52 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:36:37 [LeeF]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:36:37 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AndyS, Chimezie_Ogbuji, LeeF, jeen, SteveH

14:36:43 [Zakim]

+Souri_Das

14:38:31 [LeeF]

Scribe: chimezie

14:39:26 [SteveH]

Regrets for the 10th

14:39:33 [Souri]

Souri has joined #dawg

14:41:02 [chimezie]

jeen: will be leaving current post and the DAWG as well

14:41:50 [chimezie]

LeeF: leaving IBM. Continuing to chair DAWG

14:42:26 [LeeF]

topic: action items

14:42:33 [Souri]

Good luck to Jeen and Lee on their new jobs!

14:42:59 [LeeF]

ACTION: chimezie and/or ericP to try running tests in data-r2/dataset and data-r2/graph and report results by July 10 [CONTINUES]

14:43:15 [LeeF]

ACTION: Eric+Andy: Collect all the testing feature URIs and put in the documentation [CONTINUES]

14:43:24 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES]

14:43:31 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES]

14:43:38 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to mark approved sorting tests (1..10) as such [CONTINUES]

14:43:45 [LeeF]

ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES]

14:44:01 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [CONTINUES]

14:45:29 [chimezie]

XPath approach is difficult to express

14:45:41 [LeeF]

action -7

14:46:41 [chimezie]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0066.html

14:46:45 [LeeF]

ACTION: chimezie to go through manifests and generate algebraic forms using spec. syntax to compare with list in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0066.html

14:47:03 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES]

14:47:25 [LeeF]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [CONTINUES]

14:48:18 [chimezie]

AndyS: what about Glitter?

14:48:27 [chimezie]

LeeF: will continue to use it

14:48:33 [chimezie]

... as for further development on it (not sure)

14:48:44 [chimezie]

... it is an opensource project

14:48:48 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES]

14:49:02 [LeeF]

topic: August

14:50:00 [chimezie]

LeeF: want to get an idea of holiday plans in August

14:50:08 [chimezie]

LeeF: we don't want to drop the PR ball in August

14:51:07 [chimezie]

LeeF: will have slightly smaller group in August but enough to proceed

14:51:12 [LeeF]

topic: test suite

14:51:33 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/ construct tests

14:51:58 [chimezie]

LeeF: ARQ passes these

14:52:27 [chimezie]

SteveH: running them as we speak

14:52:55 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/data-ident.ttl

14:53:05 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/query-ident.rq

14:53:23 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/result-ident.ttl

14:53:24 [chimezie]

... problems with manifest and CONSTRUCT

14:54:15 [LeeF]

take a look at:

14:54:16 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/data-opt.ttl

14:54:28 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/query-construct-optional.rq

14:54:46 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/result-construct-optional.ttl

14:55:33 [chimezie]

LeeF: look good from eyeball

14:56:13 [chimezie]

jeen: we should indicate in the manifest that they are CONSTRUCT tests

14:56:42 [chimezie]

LeeF: there is existing vocabulary for expressing this but is not being used

14:56:54 [chimezie]

AndyS: similar scenario for sorting scenario

14:57:49 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/test-dawg.n3 contains vocab for test types

14:58:02 [LeeF]

dwagt:QuerySelect

14:58:06 [LeeF]

dawgt:QueryConstruct

14:58:34 [chimezie]

LeeF: perhaps we should use these

14:58:42 [chimezie]

SteveH: would be consistent with syntax tests

14:58:47 [LeeF]

dawgt:queryForm

15:00:23 [chimezie]

... ongoing conversation about what is that dawgt Base URI binding ...

15:01:40 [chimezie]

AndyS: it is in the wrong namespace and perhaps should be moved

15:02:19 [LeeF]

ACTION: AndyS or LeeF to mark non-SELECT tests using :QueryForm classes, and to move those URIs to the qt: namespace

15:03:24 [LeeF]

PROPOSE: Approve the tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/construct/manifest.ttl, with LeeF running them successfully in the next two weeks

15:03:41 [LeeF]

seconded by chimezie

15:04:13 [chimezie]

AndyS: we shouldn't get too far ahead of implementations having problems with the manifest

15:04:51 [chimezie]

LeeF: if we only have one implementation passing we will have to revisit anyway..

15:05:08 [chimezie]

SteveH: abstains

15:05:09 [LeeF]

approved, SteveH abstaining

15:05:30 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/type-promotion/

15:06:30 [chimezie]

SteveH: can't process them

15:06:41 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to run the construct tests by 17 Jul

15:06:49 [Souri]

16th

15:06:55 [Souri]

no

15:07:54 [chimezie]

LeeF: get in touch with other implementations not in the WG

15:07:55 [LeeF]

-> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SparqlImplementations ESW Wiki list of SPARQL implementations

15:08:53 [LeeF]

not on the list - SteveH's

15:08:58 [SteveH]

JXT

15:09:42 [chimezie]

jeen: mine is not on the list either

15:10:06 [LeeF]

sesame

15:11:10 [jeen]

q+ on data-r2/graph tests

15:11:23 [LeeF]

ACTION: chimezie to post some early EARL test results to mailing list

15:11:28 [LeeF]

ack jeen

15:12:23 [chimezie]

jeen: parsing problem with graph-11

15:12:48 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/graph/graph-11.ttl

15:13:43 [LeeF]

[]

15:14:15 [chimezie]

jeen: newline in between BNode indicators ([ \n ])

15:15:00 [LeeF]

(grammar definition is ANON ::= '[' WS* ']')

15:15:09 [LeeF]

oh wait

15:15:11 [LeeF]

that's sparql grammar :)

15:16:37 [chimezie]

AndyS: fixed in CVS

15:19:04 [chimezie]

jeen: able to run them now

15:19:21 [chimezie]

jeen: passes some

15:19:50 [chimezie]

q+ on authoritative test URIs (for generating EARL)

15:20:08 [LeeF]

ack chimezie

15:21:23 [chimezie]

LeeF: Base URI of manifest files should be used to resolve relative Test URIs

15:21:30 [Souri]

a minor issue: in "Current Events" section at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ we are still saying: "released Last Call working draft of SPARQL Query Language for RDF 26 Mar 2007"

15:21:34 [chimezie]

... Base URI (on the web)

15:21:57 [Souri]

my e-mail bounced, so I was not sure thx

15:22:05 [Zakim]

-LeeF

15:22:07 [Zakim]

-Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:22:07 [Zakim]

-Souri_Das

15:22:08 [Zakim]

-SteveH

15:22:11 [Zakim]

-jeen

15:22:15 [Zakim]

-AndyS

15:22:16 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended

15:22:17 [Zakim]

Attendees were AndyS, Chimezie_Ogbuji, LeeF, jeen, SteveH, Souri_Das

15:22:20 [LeeF]

for the record: lee's new email is lee AT thefigtrees DOT net

15:22:23 [chimezie]

Zakim, list participants

15:22:23 [Zakim]

sorry, chimezie, I don't know what conference this is

15:22:25 [LeeF]

("new")

15:22:31 [chimezie]

RRSAgent, make logs public

15:22:37 [chimezie]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

15:22:37 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-minutes.html chimezie

15:22:47 [AndyS]

zakim, please leave

15:22:47 [Zakim]

Zakim has left #dawg

15:22:50 [LeeF]

thanks for scribing, chimezie

15:22:56 [chimezie]

np

15:24:40 [chimezie]

rrsagent, make logs world-visible

15:28:07 [AndyS]

rrsagent, please leave

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-actions.rdf :

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: chimezie and/or ericP to try running tests in data-r2/dataset and data-r2/graph and report results by July 10 [CONTINUES] [1]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-42-59

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Eric+Andy: Collect all the testing feature URIs and put in the documentation [CONTINUES] [2]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-43-15

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES] [3]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-43-24

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES] [4]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-43-31

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to mark approved sorting tests (1..10) as such [CONTINUES] [5]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-43-38

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES] [6]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-43-45

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: chimezie to go through manifests and generate algebraic forms using spec. syntax to compare with list in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0066.html [8]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-46-45

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES] [9]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-47-03

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [CONTINUES] [10]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-47-25

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES] [11]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T14-48-48

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AndyS or LeeF to mark non-SELECT tests using :QueryForm classes, and to move those URIs to the qt: namespace [12]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T15-02-19

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to run the construct tests by 17 Jul [13]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T15-06-41

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: chimezie to post some early EARL test results to mailing list [14]

15:28:07 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-dawg-irc#T15-11-23