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18:02:00 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
18:02:02 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be XMLSML
18:02:02 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot-ng
18:02:03 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Service Modeling Language Working Group Teleconference
18:02:05 <trackbot-ng> Date: 28 June 2007
18:02:15 <plh> zakim, this will be smlxml
18:02:15 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, plh
18:02:23 <plh> zakim, list conferences?
18:02:23 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, plh.
18:02:26 <plh> zakim, list conferences
18:02:26 <Zakim> I see XML_SMLWG()2:00PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM active
18:02:27 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time is WAI_EOWG(UMTF)2:00PM
18:02:41 <plh> zakim, this will be xml_smlwg
18:02:41 <Zakim> ok, plh, I see XML_SMLWG()2:00PM already started
18:02:48 <Valentina> scribe: Valentina
18:02:53 <Zakim> +Plh
18:03:01 <Valentina> Meeting: SML weekly meeting June 28 2007
18:03:43 <ginny> ginny has joined #sml
18:04:12 <Valentina> chair: John
18:05:13 <Zakim> + +1.206.782.aaaa
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18:05:38 <Valentina> topic: roll call
18:05:40 <Bassam> Bassam has joined #sml
18:06:19 <Valentina> regrets from Brian, Sandy, MSM, Paul Lipton
18:06:29 <Zakim> +ginny
18:06:55 <Valentina> zakim, who is on the phone?
18:06:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kirk, Valentina, John, James_Lynn, Plh, +1.206.782.aaaa, ginny
18:07:12 <plh> zakim, aaaa is Bassam
18:07:12 <Zakim> +Bassam; got it
18:08:02 <Valentina> topic: approval of last week minutes 
18:08:16 <Valentina> resolution: June 21 minutes approved
18:08:28 <Valentina> topic: minutes f2f minutes
18:08:51 <Valentina> resolution: minutes from f2f meeting ( June 11-13) have been approved
18:10:34 <Zakim> +??P9
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18:12:41 <Valentina> zakim, who is on the phone?
18:12:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kirk, Valentina, John, James_Lynn, Plh, Bassam, ginny, ??P9
18:12:55 <plh> zakim, ??p9 is Marv
18:12:55 <Zakim> +Marv; got it
18:17:17 <Valentina> Topic: Scribing and tracking actions to the editors, before the review of open items 
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18:17:43 <Valentina> Bassam: proposes to track all editorial actions in bugzilla
18:18:18 <Valentina> Bassam: editors have decided to use bugzilla when working on a change
18:18:56 <Valentina> Kirk: maybe the person who propose a change should enter this action in bugzilla
18:19:15 <Marv> Marv, not Kirk
18:19:39 <Valentina> s/Kirk/Marv
18:19:57 <Valentina> s/Kirk/Marv
18:20:23 <Marv> s/Kirk/Marv/
18:20:42 <Valentina> plh: can the editors take the task of opening bugzilla for actions?
18:21:38 <Valentina> john: can Bassam close this issue with Paul ?
18:22:13 <Valentina> action: Marv to talk to Paul and decide on the right approach for opening bugzilla on actions
18:22:13 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Marv
18:22:53 <Valentina> s/Marv/Marvin
18:23:11 <johnarwe> action: Marvin to talk to Paul and decide on the right approach for opening bugzilla on actions
18:23:23 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-96 - Talk to Paul and decide on the right approach for opening bugzilla on actions [on Marvin Waschke - due 2007-07-05].
18:24:21 <Valentina> john: done with item 5?
18:24:27 <Valentina> agreed
18:26:42 <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Jun/0177.html
18:26:50 <Valentina> topic: opene actions
18:26:59 <Valentina> s/opene/open
18:28:25 <Valentina> plh: review action http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Jun/0177.html
18:30:25 <Valentina> plh:  review action http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/sml/actions/83 a proposal has been submitted here http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Jun/0177.html
18:33:55 <Valentina> bassam: two URI's with different users are considered to be the same ?
18:34:01 <Valentina> plh: not sure
18:37:35 <Valentina> bassam: if we say something about comparison then we should consider user, port  as well, not only fragment identifiers
18:38:20 <Valentina> bassam: we shold look at the usecases to decide on this
18:41:14 <Valentina> bassam: if comparison is done on unresolved URI then this should be a string comparison
18:42:07 <Valentina> plp: I think this section requires more work to describe URI comparison
18:42:41 <Valentina> john: there is information about this in the document
18:43:15 <Valentina> bassam: there is a difference between resolved and parsed
18:43:35 <Valentina> plp: we really need some sample to understand what we want to achieve
18:44:09 <Valentina> s/plp/plh
18:45:40 <Valentina> bassam: in smlif any relative uri are using a base uri defined at the document level 
18:46:10 <Valentina> bassam: historically the main reason for adding the base uri is to be able to have URI comparison
18:48:15 <Valentina> resolution: section 2.3.6 - first section is incorrect
18:48:30 <johnarwe> s/2.3.6/3.3.6/
18:49:55 <Valentina> action: phillipe to review this action 83 based on the current discussion and come up with a new proposal
18:49:55 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - phillipe
18:50:28 <Valentina> action: phillippe to review this action 83 based on the current discussion and come up with a new proposal
18:50:28 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - phillippe
18:50:41 <plh> action:  philippe to review this action 83 based on the current discussion and come up with a new proposal
18:50:41 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-97 - Review this action 83 based on the current discussion and come up with a new proposal [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2007-07-05].
18:52:07 <Valentina> Resolution: close action 83
18:54:38 <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Jun/0178.html
18:54:42 <Valentina> topic: action 93
18:55:21 <Valentina> plh: propose to replace URI with IRI
18:55:51 <Valentina> plh: IRI is backward compatible with URI
18:56:27 <Valentina> bassam: is the IRI based implementation the same as for URI ?
18:56:39 <Valentina> plh: not sure
18:56:54 <plh> s/implementation/comparison/
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19:01:03 <Valentina> bassam: need to investigate IRI comparison
19:01:15 <johnarwe> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt
19:02:40 <Valentina> rrsagent, draft minutes
19:02:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-minutes.html Valentina
19:04:59 <Valentina> bassam: .Net seems to have IRI support in a newer version
19:05:06 <Valentina> plh: what about java ?
19:05:40 <Valentina> ACTION: on Marvin to investigate IRI support in java
19:05:40 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
19:05:55 <plh> action: Marvin to investigate IRI support in java
19:05:56 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-98 - Investigate IRI support in java [on Marvin Waschke - due 2007-07-05].
19:08:17 <johnarwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Jun/0179.html
19:10:22 <Valentina> topic: proposal on action 89 for presenting summary changes in draft documents
19:11:22 <Valentina> Sandy's sample is this : http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.consent.20070309.html 
19:17:18 <Valentina> agreed to do a simple xml diff on the draft versions and apply a stylesheet to create the higlights
19:18:21 <Valentina> action: Virginia to investigate how to run the xml diff for sumarizing draft changes
19:18:21 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-99 - Investigate how to run the xml diff for sumarizing draft changes [on Virginia Smith - due 2007-07-05].
19:19:03 <Valentina> resolution: close action 89
19:20:50 <Valentina> topic: action 5 Designate normative and non-normative sections when editing.
19:21:00 <Valentina> john: this is an editor action
19:21:16 <Valentina> Marv: will move this to bugzilla
19:21:31 <Valentina> resolution: Marv will move this to bugzilla
19:21:37 <Valentina> topic: bugzilla defects
19:23:15 <Valentina> john: while we are reviewing bugzilla, one of the editor will update bugzilla at the same time
19:23:27 <Valentina> Jinny volunteered to do that
19:23:35 <Valentina> bug 4643
19:24:08 <Valentina> don't need 4643 for the first draft
19:24:44 <Valentina> bug 4644 - not required for FPWD
19:25:35 <johnarwe> absent: milan
19:25:56 <Valentina> bug 4647 - not required for FPWD
19:26:52 <Valentina> bug 4651- required for FPWD
19:27:18 <Valentina> bug 4652 - not required for FPWD
19:30:01 <Valentina> bug 4655 - depends on 4811 - will be closed
19:30:22 <Valentina> s/depends/dup
19:31:41 <Valentina> bug 4656 - there are a couple of bug related to this ( either dependent or different wording ) 
19:32:01 <Valentina> s/bug/bugs
19:32:31 <Valentina> bug 4656 - should be done for FPWD
19:37:33 <Valentina> correction : 4656 will not be targeted but priority set to p1
19:37:46 <Valentina> 4657 will not be targeted but priority set to p1
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19:43:29 <Valentina> 4658 - fix this in FPWD
19:43:54 <Valentina> 4659 - already done by Bassam; it should be closed 
19:45:14 <Valentina> 4665 -  not required for the FPWD
19:45:52 <Valentina> 4666 - not required for FPWD
19:47:23 <Valentina> Jinny : not all defects are editor actions; people should go to bugzilla and work on bugzilla which are tracking workgroup actions
19:48:16 <Valentina> bassam: assumed that bugzilla is only for editorial actions; everything else is using the action system
19:49:16 <Valentina> plh: there are two tracking systems because we can't assign an action to editors
19:52:27 <Valentina> bassam: why not use only one system for tracking the entire work; we can use bugzilla only and not the action system
19:53:16 <Valentina> ?? : the only think we are missing by not using the action system is the integration with IRC
19:53:30 <johnarwe> ??= bassam
19:53:46 <Valentina> s/??/bassam
19:54:27 <Valentina> s/??/bassam
19:55:17 <Valentina> Jinny: let's not use the action system for editorial actions
19:56:14 <Valentina> john: Paul cares about this and he is not here
19:57:44 <Valentina> john: let's have a written proposal on this
19:58:36 <Valentina> john: Marv will take this action
19:58:45 <Valentina> absent: Zulah
19:59:01 <Valentina> 4673 - not required for FPWD
19:59:43 <Valentina> resume to 4675
20:00:20 <Zakim> -Kirk
20:00:33 <Zakim> -Valentina
20:00:35 <Zakim> -Bassam
20:00:36 <Zakim> -James_Lynn
20:00:36 <Zakim> -ginny
20:00:38 <Zakim> -Marv
20:00:41 <Zakim> -Plh
20:01:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-minutes.html plh
20:01:20 <johnarwe> johnarwe has left #sml
20:01:25 <plh> zakim, drop john
20:01:25 <Zakim> John is being disconnected
20:01:27 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
20:01:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Kirk, Valentina, John, James_Lynn, Plh, +1.206.782.aaaa, ginny, Bassam, Marv
20:01:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-minutes.html plh
20:03:49 <Valentina> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:03:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-minutes.html Valentina
20:06:20 <Valentina> rrsagent, bye
20:06:20 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-actions.rdf :
20:06:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Marv to talk to Paul and decide on the right approach for opening bugzilla on actions [1]
20:06:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-irc#T18-22-13
20:06:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Marvin to talk to Paul and decide on the right approach for opening bugzilla on actions [2]
20:06:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-irc#T18-23-11
20:06:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: phillipe to review this action 83 based on the current discussion and come up with a new proposal [3]
20:06:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-irc#T18-49-55
20:06:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: phillippe to review this action 83 based on the current discussion and come up with a new proposal [4]
20:06:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-irc#T18-50-28
20:06:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: philippe to review this action 83 based on the current discussion and come up with a new proposal [5]
20:06:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-irc#T18-50-41
20:06:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: on Marvin to investigate IRI support in java [6]
20:06:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-irc#T19-05-40
20:06:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Marvin to investigate IRI support in java [7]
20:06:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-irc#T19-05-55
20:06:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Virginia to investigate how to run the xml diff for sumarizing draft changes [8]
20:06:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/28-sml-irc#T19-18-21