IRC log of xhtml on 2007-06-27

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13:35:33 [Steven]

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Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference

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Regrets: Rich, Tina

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0030

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Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0030

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Chair: Steven

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hallo all

14:00:48 [Steven]

hi

14:01:51 [Steven]

zakim, dial steven-617

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sorry, Steven, I don't know what conference this is

14:02:01 [Steven]

zakim, this will be xhtml

14:02:10 [Zakim]

ok, Steven, I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM already started

14:02:15 [Steven]

zakim, who is here?

14:02:16 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmiata, ??P32, [IPcaller]

14:02:21 [Steven]

zakim, dial steven-617

14:02:24 [Zakim]

On IRC I see yamx, alessio, RRSAgent, Zakim, ShaneM, Steven, krijnh

14:02:28 [Zakim]

ok, Steven; the call is being made

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+Steven

14:02:39 [alessio]

zakim, ??P32 is Alessio

14:02:42 [Zakim]

+Alessio; got it

14:02:44 [ShaneM]

zakim, [ip is ShaneM

14:02:46 [Zakim]

+ShaneM; got it

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+??P37

14:03:17 [yamx]

zakim, ??P37 is yamx

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+yamx; got it

14:03:29 [Steven]

Regrets+Mark

14:06:01 [Steven]

Topic: Charter

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Scribe: Shane

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http://www.w3.org/2007/03/XHTML2-WG-charter.html

14:07:10 [Steven]

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml-roadmap/

14:07:23 [ShaneM]

Steven is working with Chris to sort this out.

14:08:09 [ShaneM]

Topic: Last Call Review of GRDDL

14:08:10 [yamx]

I have a question on charter.(yam)

14:09:28 [ShaneM]

ACTION: Shane will review editors draft of GRDDL

14:10:08 [ShaneM]

ACTION: Steven to reply to GRDDL review request

14:10:09 [yamx]

My question is that XHTML2 and charter refer all to DOM2Event, but I wonder that DOM3Event is needed for namespaced events (e.g. SVG)

14:12:04 [ShaneM]

Unfortunately there is no DOM3 event spec yet. The intent is that XML Events 2 will rely upon DOM3 events if there is one.

14:12:46 [yamx]

OK. It seems like OMA and W3C XHTMLWG have the same concerns.

14:12:53 [Steven]

http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/

14:12:56 [ShaneM]

The WebAPI WOrking group is responsible for producing DOMEvents 3

14:13:07 [Steven]

http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html

14:16:28 [ShaneM]

Topic: XHTML Basic Test Results

14:16:54 [ShaneM]

We got test results from the OMA on the mobile profile. Steven and Shane had some questions.

14:17:16 [ShaneM]

There are a lot of tests, but only a small subset are of interest to this working group (around 70).

14:18:14 [ShaneM]

Some tests were not run, but there was no indication as to why. Yam indicated that it was either because the feature was not supported or because they ran out of time.

14:18:31 [Zakim]

-Alessio

14:19:13 [ShaneM]

Yam also said that @inputmode was not really tested because it was optional, and because there was no test material for it. It is up to the W3C to provide test materials for that feature (and for the target attribute).

14:19:46 [ShaneM]

Steven is concerned that because all the tests have not been run we cannot use the test results as a mechanism to exit CR.

14:22:09 [ShaneM]

Steven asks whether these results would mean the spec was complete to the OMA? Yam says no, it is still a candidate.

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+??P43

14:23:20 [alessio_]

zakim, ??P43 is Alessio

14:23:20 [Zakim]

+Alessio; got it

14:24:18 [ShaneM]

Steven asks what we actually need to test for inputmode? Since it is just a hint and it is optional. Yam agrees that it is optional.

14:24:40 [ShaneM]

Steven points out that target is also just a hint, so is in the same situation.

14:26:07 [ShaneM]

Steven states that these test results are only interim, and we cannot use them to exit CR. We will need to wait for future test fest results that indicate all tests are run and pass before.

14:26:34 [ShaneM]

For tests that were not yet run.... we can just wait until the next test fest and hope that we get better results.

14:28:57 [ShaneM]

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/xhtml2

14:29:25 [ShaneM]

Topic: Role and Access Modules

14:29:29 [ShaneM]

Still working on updates.

14:29:33 [ShaneM]

Topic: XHTML 2 draft

14:29:40 [ShaneM]

need to put out a new public draft.

14:29:42 [ShaneM]

Topic: CURIES

14:30:13 [ShaneM]

Not really worth discussing without Mark. Nothing to report from the RDFa task force with regards to this as yet.

14:31:36 [ShaneM]

Topic: XHTML M12N

14:31:55 [ShaneM]

Steven still needs to get back to the XML Schema working group. Otherwise we are ready to go.

14:32:27 [ShaneM]

Topic: Access Module (again)

14:32:48 [Steven]

scribe: Steven

14:33:02 [Steven]

Shane: I had an action item to add an attribute

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<h3><code>raise</code> = <dtref>CDATA</dtref></h3>

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<p>The <aref>raise</aref> attribute defines the <nref>DOM2EVENTS</nref> event that

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should be raised with respect to the target when the access shortcut is invoked. The default value for this is "focus".

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The following events are permitted:

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<code>DOMFocusIn</code>, <code>DOMActivate</code>, <code>click</code>, <code>mousedown</code>, <code>mouseup</code>, <code>mouseover</code>.

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... that specified the event that should be trigger

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</p>

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s.trigger/triggered/

14:33:54 [Steven]

Shane: We need to limit the collection of events

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... to those that make sense within DOM2

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... which unfortunately don't include key events

14:37:08 [ShaneM]

Steven thinks this list may be too platform oriented.

14:37:21 [ShaneM]

Shane (defensively) said that DOM2EVENTS is all we have to work from.

14:39:38 [Steven]

zakim, who is noisy?

14:39:51 [Zakim]

Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alessio (99%)

14:40:01 [Steven]

zakim, mute alessio

14:40:01 [Zakim]

Alessio should now be muted

14:40:03 [alessio_]

zakim, mute me

14:40:03 [Zakim]

sorry, alessio_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:40:28 [alessio_]

zakim, mute Alessio

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Alessio was already muted, alessio_

14:41:37 [Steven]

SShane: THis module is for XHTML 1.*, so we can't depend on XML Events

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Steven: I understand

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s/SS/S/

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Gregory: I have been looking at Events

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... assistive technology is going to trigger audio events

14:42:33 [Steven]

... who is going to take care of this on the Backplane?

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... We have a number of use cases around this

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... The backplane should take responsibility for this

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Steven: Al Gilman is on the backplane group

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Gergory: CSS2.1 has deprecated audial stuff

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... and CSS3 has 2 modules

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... so I am representing WAI trying to sort this out

14:45:38 [Zakim]

-Alessio

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+[IPcaller]

14:46:59 [alessio_]

zakim, [IPcaller] is Alessio

14:47:00 [Zakim]

+Alessio; got it

14:47:51 [Steven]

Steven: THe backplane has taken on this work, so we need to wait on them to come up to speed

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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2006/backplane/

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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/1.1/intent-based-events.html

14:49:15 [Zakim]

-Alessio

14:49:40 [Steven]

Shane: Should we link access and role?

14:49:49 [Steven]

Steven: It would make access more useful

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... ANYBODY OBJECT?

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[SILENCE]

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sTEVEN: sO RESOLVED

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-ShaneM

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-Gregory_Rosmiata

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-yamx

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IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Gregory_Rosmiata, Steven, Alessio, ShaneM, yamx

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[Adjourned]

14:52:29 [Steven]

zakim, who is here?

14:52:29 [Zakim]

apparently IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended, Steven

14:52:31 [Zakim]

On IRC I see alessio_, RRSAgent, Zakim, ShaneM, Steven, krijnh

14:52:39 [Steven]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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s/scribe: Shane/scribe: ShaneM/

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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s/Scribe: Shane/Scribe: ShaneM/

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

14:57:42 [alessio]

I'm sorry, tried to reconnect but very bad line...

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bye all :)

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