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14:27:40 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD
14:27:40 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
14:27:54 <mhausenblas> Meeting: Semantic Web Deployment Working Group - Telecon 2007-06-26, 15:00 UTC 
14:28:03 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0151.html
14:28:10 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0151.html
14:28:17 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, please make record public 
14:28:28 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes previous 2007-06-19 
14:28:38 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
14:28:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
14:29:13 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, make logs public
14:29:58 <mhausenblas> Chair: Guus_Schreiber
14:30:03 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: Michael_Hausenblas
14:30:17 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:30:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
14:30:41 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas
14:31:05 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, please make record public 
14:46:06 <TomB> TomB has joined #swd
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14:50:00 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started
14:50:06 <Zakim> +??P10
14:50:49 <TomB> zakim, ??P10 is TomB
14:50:49 <Zakim> +TomB; got it
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14:54:26 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
14:54:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomB
14:54:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see mhausenblas, RalphS, TomB, Zakim, RRSAgent
14:55:09 <TomB> rrsagent, bookmark
14:55:09 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-irc#T14-55-09
14:55:15 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
14:55:15 <Zakim> ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
14:55:21 <TomB> Meeting: SWD WG
14:55:28 <TomB> Chair: Tom
14:55:30 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
14:56:01 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
14:56:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
14:56:34 <RalphS> kudos, Michael, for preparing the agents well before the start of the meeting :)
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14:58:20 <TomB> RalphS, my command Chair: Tom was captured as a comment in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-minutes.html , not as a command...?
14:59:24 <Zakim> +Ralph
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14:59:58 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Simone_Onofri
15:00:04 <Zakim> +[LC]
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15:00:18 <RalphS> zakim, LC is Clay
15:00:18 <Zakim> +Clay; got it
15:00:25 <Zakim> +Bernard
15:00:31 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Ed_Summers
15:00:41 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
15:00:52 <Zakim> +??P29
15:01:01 <RalphS> zakim, ??p29 is Diego
15:01:01 <Zakim> +Diego; got it
15:01:07 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:01:12 <Zakim> +Jon_Phipps
15:01:34 <JonP> zakim, Jon_Phipps is me
15:01:35 <Zakim> +JonP; got it
15:01:41 <vit> vit has joined #swd
15:02:06 <RalphS> zakim, LC is Justin
15:02:06 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
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15:02:10 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
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15:03:10 <RalphS> Regrets+ Guus
15:03:15 <Zakim> +??P26
15:03:21 <RalphS> zakim, ??p26 is Antoine
15:03:22 <Zakim> +Antoine; got it
15:03:32 <aliman> aliman has joined #swd
15:04:10 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
15:04:12 <Zakim> +??P38
15:04:23 <RalphS> zakim, ??p38 is Sean
15:04:23 <Zakim> +Sean; got it
15:04:32 <Zakim> +??P36
15:04:34 <Zakim> +??P40
15:04:43 <RalphS> zakim, ??p36 is Alistair
15:04:43 <Zakim> +Alistair; got it
15:04:46 <RalphS> zakim, ??p40 is Vit
15:04:46 <Zakim> +Vit; got it
15:04:55 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
15:04:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomB, mhausenblas, Ralph, Clay, Bernard, Diego, Justin, JonP, Antoine, Elisa_Kendall, Sean, Alistair, Vit
15:04:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see aliman, seanb, Elisa, Antoine, vit, Clay, Bern, berrueta, JonP, mhausenblas, RalphS, TomB, Zakim, RRSAgent
15:05:10 <mhausenblas> Topic: 1. ADMIN
15:05:18 <mhausenblas> PROPOSED to accept minutes of -> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html 19 June telecon
15:05:32 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: accepted minutes of 19 June
15:05:38 <mhausenblas> upcoming telecon: 3 July
15:05:48 <mhausenblas> Tom: face-to-face meeting
15:06:01 <mhausenblas> Topic 2. SKOS
15:06:07 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#SKOS SKOS
15:06:22 <mhausenblas> ACTION: aliman to provide examples of cases where presentational information is required [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action10]
15:06:24 <mhausenblas> -- done
15:06:41 <Zakim> +??P2
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15:06:49 <mhausenblas> ACTION: seanb to create the template for test cases in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action04]
15:06:52 <mhausenblas> -- done
15:07:09 <aliman> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/PresentationInformation discussion of presentation information and defining the scope of SKOS
15:07:22 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosTestTemplate
15:07:50 <mhausenblas> Tom: Discussion on SKOS implementation on list
15:07:59 <mhausenblas> ... postpone till next week
15:08:02 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Ralph to update SKOS pages to point to UCR [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:08:08 <mhausenblas> -- done
15:08:09 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0041.html Re: [SKOS] Links to SKOS UCR WD [ACTION completed]
15:08:22 <mhausenblas> -- Issue-26: RelationshipsBetweenLabels (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/26)
15:08:45 <mhausenblas> Tom: Talked with Guus; he wants to fup on the proposal
15:08:51 <mhausenblas> ... any comments, yet?
15:09:15 <mhausenblas> Antoine: Usability issues
15:09:38 <mhausenblas> Issue-33: Grouping Construct (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/33)
15:10:45 <mhausenblas> Alistair: Made a proposal, waiting for feedback
15:11:26 <mhausenblas> ... to sum up: discussed two well known ways of display
15:11:40 <mhausenblas> ... alphabetic or systematic
15:11:56 <mhausenblas> ... proposed therefore two statements
15:13:15 <Zakim> -Alistair
15:13:43 <Zakim> +??P34
15:13:53 <RalphS> zakim, ??p34 is Alistair
15:13:53 <Zakim> +Alistair; got it
15:14:26 <mhausenblas> sorry I got no signals, here :(
15:14:33 <mhausenblas> can't here anyone
15:14:40 <RalphS> scribenick: Ralhp
15:14:44 <RalphS> scribenick: RalphS
15:15:08 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
15:15:11 <RalphS> Alistair: I proposed the statement "The WG MAY publish an algorithm to generate a systematic display"
15:15:14 <aliman> Styles and Periods
15:15:15 <aliman>   <styles and periods by region>
15:15:17 <aliman>     <The Islamic World>
15:15:18 <aliman>       Saracenic
15:15:20 <aliman>       pre-Islamic
15:15:21 <aliman>       <Islamic World dynastic styles and periods>
15:15:23 <aliman>         Orthodox Caliphate
15:15:24 <aliman>         Umayyad
15:15:26 <aliman>         Abbasid
15:15:31 <Zakim> +??P13
15:15:34 <RalphS> Alistair: so taking Antoine's challenge example with nested node labels, 
15:15:56 <RalphS> ... if we accept the resolution for grouping constructs you could specify an algorith to generate this nesting display
15:16:23 <RalphS> ... many thesauri may have to generate this display in parallel anyway because there are so many techniques for doing so
15:16:51 <RalphS> ... we could propose an algorithm for generating a default display
15:17:19 <RalphS> ... but many thesauri may choose to send their own display information outside of SKOS because they have their own preferred display
15:17:33 <RalphS> zakim, p13 is Michael
15:17:33 <Zakim> sorry, RalphS, I do not recognize a party named 'p13'
15:17:36 <RalphS> zakim, ??p13 is Michael
15:17:36 <Zakim> +Michael; got it
15:17:51 <RalphS> scribenick: mhausenblas
15:18:19 <mhausenblas> XXX: What style of information in SKOS
15:18:26 <RalphS> s/XXX/Bernard/
15:19:21 <mhausenblas> Alistair: Algorithm for default generation, but do not expect SKOS to do everything
15:19:35 <mhausenblas> ... reqa are to represent the model
15:19:45 <mhausenblas> s/reqa/requirements
15:20:50 <aliman> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/PresentationInformation
15:20:55 <mhausenblas> Tom: Aim is to agree on statements?
15:21:32 <aliman> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping
15:22:04 <RalphS> Alistair: I am proposing SKOS/Semantics/Grouping as the resolution for ISSUE-33
15:22:28 <aliman> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/PresentationInformation
15:24:02 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Alistair to post the proposal to the list
15:24:29 <mhausenblas> Tom: Discussion on relation foaf:Person and skos:Concept - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0115.html
15:24:37 <mhausenblas> ... any comments?
15:25:12 <RalphS> s/the proposal/the proposed resolution to ISSUE-33 and systematic display/
15:25:34 <mhausenblas> Antoine: Kjetil wants to link tag to description and/or person
15:27:36 <mhausenblas> ... might be possible to do via defined property
15:28:27 <mhausenblas> Alistair: DanBri and I had a discussion some while ago
15:28:49 <mhausenblas> ... some kind of solution is layers of indirections
15:29:11 <mhausenblas> ... we have not got any UC for this req
15:29:31 <Antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0077.html
15:29:42 <mhausenblas> ... we should put it on the agenda, anyway
15:30:57 <mhausenblas> ... question also tackles if we stay within OWL-DL
15:33:33 <mhausenblas> Tom: No core issue ... Antoine?
15:34:29 <mhausenblas> Antoine: For example in the medical domain, I gathered some interest
15:34:42 <aliman> q+ to say something about the SKOS semantics doc
15:34:46 <Bern> q+ to ask if this is in scope
15:35:12 <RalphS> Clay: Librarians would be interested in this capability as well
15:35:17 <mhausenblas> Alistair: In scope
15:35:44 <mhausenblas> ... it is important (cf. design patterns)
15:36:38 <mhausenblas> Tom: So, we put SKOS semantics on the agenda
15:37:38 <aliman> q+ to comment on scope
15:37:51 <mhausenblas> Bern: Is it really in scope or better have it as a note
15:37:56 <TomB> ack aliman
15:37:56 <Zakim> aliman, you wanted to say something about the SKOS semantics doc and to comment on scope
15:38:03 <TomB> ack Bern
15:38:03 <Zakim> Bern, you wanted to ask if this is in scope
15:38:43 <mhausenblas> XXX: Informative document preferred
15:41:43 <RalphS> s/XXX/Alistair/
15:41:56 <RalphS> Alistair: design patterns could be part of the informative documentaiton
15:42:28 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:42:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:43:49 <RalphS> Chair: Tom
15:43:51 <mhausenblas> Topic 3. RECIPES
15:43:54 <Zakim> -TomB
15:44:12 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#Recipes Recipes
15:44:20 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
15:44:26 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:44:44 <mhausenblas> Chair: Elisa
15:44:58 <mhausenblas> Topic 4. VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT 
15:44:59 <RalphS> Chair: Tom
15:45:10 <Zakim> +??P1
15:45:18 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#VocabularyMgt VocabularyMgt
15:45:27 <mhausenblas> Current draft is http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/VocabMgtDraft
15:45:39 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0013.html Discussion on URLs and URIs
15:46:00 <mhausenblas> Elisa: We use URIs
15:46:38 <mhausenblas> ... issues: ownership, permanence, etc.
15:47:14 <mhausenblas> ... we use some of the onto URI from the DAML project
15:47:44 <mhausenblas> Ralph: W3C took over DAML.org
15:47:59 <RalphS> s/W3C/MIT/
15:48:13 <mhausenblas> Elisa: E.g. with OWL-S
15:48:51 <mhausenblas> ... somehow you get to the time onto (from J. Pan)
15:49:25 <RalphS> q+ to ask what "no longer work" means
15:49:56 <mhausenblas> ... a question about commitment
15:50:52 <mhausenblas> ... many discussion on semantic-web@w3
15:51:20 <mhausenblas> Elisa: Idea is to come up with a short list
15:51:31 <mhausenblas> ... of the issues, make a survey
15:51:41 <mhausenblas> ... for now: gather ideas
15:52:19 <mhausenblas> Tom: What kind of process to apply?
15:52:27 <dlrubin> dlrubin has left #swd
15:52:43 <mhausenblas> ... are telecons good for brainstorming?
15:52:52 <mhausenblas> ... given the limited time
15:53:06 <mhausenblas> ... not -  better through mailing list
15:54:15 <TomB> ack RalphS
15:54:15 <Zakim> RalphS, you wanted to ask what "no longer work" means
15:55:59 <mhausenblas> Elisa: I'd like to use the telecon for raising awareness
15:56:24 <mhausenblas> Tom: Suggest to point the group to a Wiki page, beforehand
15:57:01 <mhausenblas> ... citing from IRC while discussion
15:57:46 <mhausenblas> Tom: Might be good to have a default text
15:58:12 <mhausenblas> ... to sum up issues to focus the discussion
15:58:47 <RalphS> Elisa, you suggested that some ontologies on daml.org were no longer working.  Could you followup, please, and let me know if there are HTTP-level issues (i.e. server problems) or data obsolescence issues (i.e. a schema or ontology document has gone too far out of date)
15:59:04 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
15:59:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ralph, Clay, Bernard, Diego, Justin, JonP, Antoine, Elisa_Kendall, Sean, Vit, ??P2, Alistair, Michael, TomB
15:59:50 <Zakim> -Bernard
16:00:37 <RalphS> zakim, ??p2 is Daniel
16:00:37 <Zakim> +Daniel; got it
16:00:51 <RalphS> zakim, list attendees
16:00:51 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TomB, mhausenblas, Ralph, Clay, Bernard, Guus_Schreiber, Diego, JonP, Justin, Antoine, Elisa_Kendall, Sean, Alistair, Vit, Michael, Daniel
16:01:07 <mhausenblas> Topic 5. RDFa
16:01:16 <mhausenblas> Tom: Ben has reported
16:01:40 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0155.html An Update on RDFa Schedule and Docs
16:01:43 <Zakim> -Antoine
16:01:44 <seanb> seanb has left #swd
16:01:45 <Zakim> -Daniel
16:01:47 <Zakim> -Justin
16:01:47 <Antoine> Antoine has left #swd
16:01:49 <Zakim> -Sean
16:01:55 <Zakim> -Diego
16:02:28 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:02:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:02:54 <Zakim> -Michael
16:03:40 <Zakim> -Clay
16:04:38 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:17:10 <RalphS> see "4. Namespace Changes over Time" in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri
16:24:27 <RalphS> http://metadataregistry.org/
16:26:05 <Zakim> -Alistair
16:26:07 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
16:26:10 <Zakim> -Vit
16:26:12 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:26:14 <Zakim> -JonP
16:26:25 <Zakim> -TomB
16:26:26 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
16:26:27 <Zakim> Attendees were TomB, mhausenblas, Ralph, Clay, Bernard, Guus_Schreiber, Diego, JonP, Justin, Antoine, Elisa_Kendall, Sean, Alistair, Vit, Michael, Daniel
16:26:58 <RalphS> zakim, bye
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16:27:04 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
16:27:04 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-actions.rdf :
16:27:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: aliman to provide examples of cases where presentational information is required [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action10] [1]
16:27:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-irc#T15-06-22
16:27:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: seanb to create the template for test cases in the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action04] [2]
16:27:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-irc#T15-06-49
16:27:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to update SKOS pages to point to UCR [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action01] [3]
16:27:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-irc#T15-08-02
16:27:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair to post the proposal to the list [4]
16:27:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-irc#T15-24-02
16:27:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09] [5]
16:27:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-swd-irc#T15-44-20