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14:22:22 <LeeF> zakim, this will be DAWG
14:22:22 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:22:25 <AndyS> At a minimum, only need it for "<".
14:23:03 <LeeF> Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly
14:23:07 <AndyS> Or could relax the test - its the difference of order by (lex, type) vs (type, lex) [ordered pairs]
14:23:26 <AndyS> Be good to get feedback from as wide a selection of impls as possible here.
14:23:55 <ericP> some tests lean on the corresponding <
14:24:08 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:24:12 <AndyS> If they all do the same, no lines of code will change! because text says ...
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14:24:32 <LeeF> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0095.html
14:24:39 <ericP> everything labeled with mfx:StringSimpleLiteralCmp in data/OpenWorld/sameTerm-manifest.ttl
14:24:53 <LeeF> LeeF has changed the topic to: RDF Data Access - 26 Jun Agenda - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0095.html
14:25:02 <ericP> i'm just trying to see what the best answer to the ambiguity is
14:25:07 <AndyS> [[
14:25:09 <AndyS> The "<" operator defines the relative order of pairs of... simple literals, xsd:strings, ... 
14:25:10 <AndyS> ]]
14:25:19 <LeeF> agenda + convene
14:25:22 <LeeF> agenda + action items
14:25:27 <LeeF> agenda + test progress
14:25:34 <LeeF> agenda + implementation report progress
14:25:36 <LeeF> agenda + test harness
14:25:41 <AndyS> so that text applies to simple lits + xsd:string already (i.e. shows intent)
14:26:24 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started
14:26:31 <Zakim> +??P0
14:26:45 <AndyS> Not a great argument but.
14:27:07 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
14:27:10 <AndyS> True - there could be other readings.
14:27:26 <AndyS> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:27:26 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:27:34 <LeeF> zakim, IBMCambridge is me
14:27:34 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
14:33:06 <LeeF> ericP, joining?
14:33:46 <ericP> yes, beating head against wall first...
14:34:55 <Zakim> +Sandro
14:34:57 <LeeF> ACTION: AndyS to take a look at GRAPH and FROM NAMED tests [DONE]
14:35:11 <LeeF> ACTION: jeen to annotate  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/open-world/manifest.ttl  to mark the tests that use data-2.ttl as requiring support for illformed literals [DONE]
14:35:13 <ericP> Zakim, Sandro is temporarily ericP
14:35:13 <Zakim> +ericP; got it
14:35:17 <LeeF> ACTION: jeen to look at sorting / ORDER BY tests to move them to data-r2 [DONE]
14:35:23 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF mark algebra tests as approved and add rdfs:comments [DONE]
14:35:31 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF remove case-sensitive tests and mark other lang tag case tests as approved [DONE]
14:35:37 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to move ExprEquals tests to new area, mark as approved [DONE]
14:35:56 <LeeF> Regrets: PatH, jeen, EliasT
14:36:00 <Zakim> +??P5
14:36:37 <LeeF> zakim, ??P5 is SteveH
14:36:37 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:36:51 <LeeF> Scribe: LeeF
14:36:57 <LeeF> topic: convene
14:37:08 <SteveH> SteveH has joined #dawg
14:37:13 <LeeF> next meeting: july 3
14:37:26 <LeeF> regrets next week, ericP
14:37:40 <LeeF> topic: action items
14:38:16 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types  (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES]
14:38:29 <LeeF> action -7
14:38:37 <LeeF> ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [CONTINUES]
14:38:47 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [CONTINUES]
14:38:52 <LeeF> ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES]
14:39:00 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES]
14:39:14 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES]
14:39:27 <LeeF> topic: sorting tests
14:39:39 <ericP> agenda?
14:40:15 <ericP> Zakim, take up agendum 3
14:40:15 <Zakim> agendum 3. "test progress" taken up [from LeeF]
14:40:37 <LeeF> question: what happens when sorting a plain literal and an xsd:string literal with different lexical forms?
14:40:52 <LeeF> ARQ thinks that "alice"^^xsd:string < "bob"
14:41:02 <LeeF> and that "bob" < "charlie"^^xsd:string
14:41:18 <AndyS> Glitter - same
14:42:12 <LeeF> ericP: < isn't defined on those two
14:42:39 <LeeF> """
14:42:40 <LeeF> SPARQL also fixes an order between some kinds of RDF terms that would not otherwise be ordered: 
14:42:40 <LeeF>  
14:42:41 <LeeF>    1. (Lowest) no value assigned to the variable or expression in this solution. 
14:42:43 <LeeF>    2. Blank nodes 
14:42:45 <LeeF>    3. IRIs 
14:42:47 <LeeF>    4. RDF literals 
14:42:49 <LeeF>    5. A plain literal is lower than an RDF literal with type xsd:string of the same lexical form. 
14:42:51 <LeeF>  
14:42:53 <LeeF> The relative order of literals with language tags or typed literals with different types is undefined.
14:42:55 <LeeF> """
14:43:12 <AndyS> In unextended SPARQL, < does not apply to the pair xsd:string, simple literal
14:43:32 <LeeF> ericP: that text doesn't cover this situation, as well as not covering the situation in which you compare an integer and a date
14:44:47 <LeeF> ericP: ...so maybe we don't test for this
14:45:37 <LeeF> AndyS: We could remove 5 to loosen ordering requirements (and not test for this case)
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14:47:12 <LeeF> "[en]This is in English!"^^xsd:string :-) 
14:49:23 <LeeF> ericP: we could add an expository note about this 
14:50:18 <LeeF> SteveH: I get the same results as Andy
14:53:32 <AndyS> ACTION: Eric+Andy: Collect all the testing feature URIs and put in the documentation
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14:54:32 <LeeF_> zakim, who's here?
14:54:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, LeeF, ericP, SteveH
14:54:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see LeeF_, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, afs, ericP
14:55:54 <LeeF_> PROPOSED: Approve #dawg-sort[1..10] in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/sort/manifest.ttl
14:56:06 <LeeF_> steveH seconds
14:56:12 <LeeF_> resolved
14:56:15 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here
14:56:24 <LeeF_> ACTION: LeeF to mark approved sorting tests (1..10) as such 
14:58:29 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
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15:03:05 <LeeF_> ericP and SteveH do not pass a bunch of tests in graph/ and dataset/ due to lack of implementation support 
15:03:18 <LeeF_> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/graph/
15:03:22 <LeeF_> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/dataset/
15:06:03 <ericP> ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document
15:06:11 <LeeF_> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README.html
15:07:25 <LeeF_> ACTION: chimezie and/or ericP to try running tests in data-r2/dataset and data-r2/graph and report results by July 10
15:07:53 <LeeF_> zakim, agenda?
15:07:54 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
15:07:57 <Zakim> 1. convene [from LeeF]
15:07:58 <Zakim> 2. action items [from LeeF]
15:08:00 <Zakim> 3. test progress [from LeeF]
15:08:02 <Zakim> 4. implementation report progress [from LeeF]
15:08:03 <Zakim> 5. test harness [from LeeF]
15:09:28 <LeeF_> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:09:28 <Zakim> agendum 5. "test harness" taken up [from LeeF]
15:11:37 <LeeF_> LeeF will follow-up with Ivan/Orri to see if they might provide a SPARQL endpoint URI -> test results service
15:11:44 <LeeF_> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:11:44 <Zakim> agendum 4. "implementation report progress" taken up [from LeeF]
15:12:34 <AndyS> q+ to ask which tests to target next
15:13:31 <LeeF_> ericP: xpath-testable stuff in the facets document, and stuff coded otherwise that isn't xpath testable 
15:13:57 <LeeF_> ...the facets data (not all of it expressed in xpath) identifies everything we're testing for
15:15:59 <LeeF_> ack AndyS
15:15:59 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask which tests to target next
15:16:13 <LeeF_> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/
15:16:58 <LeeF_> LeeF_: Casting dir in /data/ seems empty
15:17:02 <LeeF_> ... we'll need CONSTRUCT tests
15:17:11 <LeeF_> ... we'll need DISTINCT tests
15:17:39 <LeeF_> ... we'll need the TypePromotion tests
15:17:59 <LeeF_> ... we'll need the i18n tests
15:21:14 <LeeF_> ericP: i pass all 3 CONSTRUCT tests
15:26:18 <LeeF_> adjourned.
15:26:32 <LeeF_> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:26:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html LeeF_
15:26:39 <LeeF_> rrsagent, make logs world-access
15:26:45 <chimezie> ericP: let me know if the email request for CVS access is sufficient - I just sent my SSH public key
15:29:22 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:29:24 <Zakim> -SteveH
15:31:46 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:31:48 <AndyS> AndyS has left #dawg
15:41:47 <LeeF_> reading <file://figtree/WWW/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/sort/data-sort-4.ttl>
15:42:47 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:42:48 <Zakim> -ericP
15:42:50 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
15:42:51 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, LeeF, ericP, SteveH, Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:43:02 <AndyS> zakim, please leave
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15:43:09 <AndyS> rrsagent, please leave
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> I see 16 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-actions.rdf :
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS to take a look at GRAPH and FROM NAMED tests [DONE] [1]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-34-57
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeen to annotate  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/open-world/manifest.ttl  to mark the tests that use data-2.ttl as requiring support for illformed literals [DONE] [2]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-35-11
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeen to look at sorting / ORDER BY tests to move them to data-r2 [DONE] [3]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-35-17
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF mark algebra tests as approved and add rdfs:comments [DONE] [4]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-35-23
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF remove case-sensitive tests and mark other lang tag case tests as approved [DONE] [5]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-35-31
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to move ExprEquals tests to new area, mark as approved [DONE] [6]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-35-37
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [CONTINUES] [8]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-38-37
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [CONTINUES] [9]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-38-47
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES] [10]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-38-52
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES] [11]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-39-00
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES] [12]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-39-14
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Eric+Andy: Collect all the testing feature URIs and put in the documentation [13]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-53-32
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [14]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-56-15
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to mark approved sorting tests (1..10) as such  [15]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T14-56-24
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [16]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T15-06-03
15:43:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chimezie and/or ericP to try running tests in data-r2/dataset and data-r2/graph and report results by July 10 [17]
15:43:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-irc#T15-07-25