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14:01:18 <MartinD> zakim, ??p10 is me
14:01:18 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it
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14:01:54 <Zakim> + +1.603.886.aaaa
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14:02:37 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
14:02:43 <bengee> zakim, ??p14 is me
14:02:43 <Zakim> +bengee; got it
14:04:05 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-home
14:04:07 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:04:08 <Zakim> +Ivan
14:04:54 <MartinD> am I scribing (again)? :-)
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14:05:59 <MartinD> action + logo update
14:06:30 <MartinD> add agendum logo update
14:06:40 <Susie> Martin - Lee is meant to be scribing, but he doesn't appear to be here, so would be great if you could scribe.
14:07:18 <MartinD> bengee reports on the progress with logo, with plans for a mtg -- probably next week
14:07:43 <MartinD> there was a mail out to the list about the logo preferences, current votes are well dispersed
14:08:08 <MartinD> probably too early to make conclusions, currently no.1 and no.9 are emerging
14:08:28 <MartinD> bengee added some more variations + added more technology logos
14:08:43 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Logos
14:08:45 <Zakim> +??P0
14:08:59 <leobard> +??p0 is leobard
14:09:47 <bengee> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Logos/SemWebTechLogoIdeas
14:10:33 <MartinD> also logos added for grdl, rif
14:10:36 <leobard> zakim, ??P0 is leobard
14:10:36 <Zakim> +leobard; got it
14:12:02 <MartinD> there are different opinions on logos, how abstract they should be, etc.
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14:13:28 <MartinD> first grddl seems preferred and maybe the rif one, but may be a bit abstract
14:13:40 <MartinD> let's wait for mtg with comm. team and see what they like
14:13:48 <MartinD> agenda+ use cases
14:14:03 <MartinD> open agendum 1
14:14:21 <Zakim> +??P2
14:14:44 <MartinD> ivan updates on use cases; in particular teh Dow Jones case looks very positive and enthusiastic; the author of their tool was responsive to the request for a use case
14:14:59 <MartinD> so far no additional feedback received from others
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14:15:54 <MartinD> ivan also says that guys in DJ want a more active contact with W3C; ivan found they are already in W3C, so may also participate in SWEO (one day)
14:15:58 <MartinD> close agendum 1
14:15:59 <danja_> Zakim, ??P2 is danja_
14:15:59 <danja_> Zakim, +??P2 is danja_
14:15:59 <Zakim> +danja_; got it
14:16:00 <Zakim> sorry, danja_, I do not recognize a party named '+??P2'
14:16:08 <MartinD> agenda+ info gathering task (leo)
14:16:14 <MartinD> open agendum 2
14:16:28 <uldis_> regrets, can't participate in voice call
14:16:31 <danja_> (hi all)
14:16:37 <MartinD> leo says that guys from openlink software are working on getting the software working
14:16:53 <MartinD> ivan talked to info gathering group re issue of licensing
14:18:06 <MartinD> there is a proposal for producing the content of SWEO portal under cr.commons licence, but if we are reusing other data -- that may not be compliant with CC or may  not have a statement about copyright (we cnnot assume it be CC)
14:18:27 <MartinD> maybe we can just add a disclaimer about removing data if a problem is found with its copyright?
14:19:33 <MartinD> leo suggests checking with W3C lawyers whether this is a relevant issue and how it should be handled -- whether a statement like "This resource does not contain CC statement explicitly"
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14:20:10 <MartinD> ivan suggests making another test of the site, so that ivan can start submitting data -- when data comes from a third party
14:21:15 <MartinD> kingsley mentions about importing all sorts of things into portal (raw RDF, other formats,...) = more or less all is there, but this needs to be clarified
14:21:38 <MartinD> ivan says that legal issues are more critical than actual format support, etc. 
14:22:02 <MartinD> kingsley currently waits for an agreement on legal issues
14:22:06 <Zakim> +??P4
14:22:13 <MartinD> portal is currently tested
14:22:21 <ivan> zakim, ??p4 is uldis
14:22:21 <Zakim> +uldis; got it
14:22:22 <Zakim> -uldis
14:22:38 <uldis_> sorry, connection dropped. reconnecting.
14:22:49 <MartinD> data needs to be visualized -- ideas about the systems considered, no new additions to the existing list
14:23:07 <Zakim> +??P4
14:23:10 <uldis_> zakim, ??p4 is uldis
14:23:10 <Zakim> +uldis; got it
14:23:18 <MartinD> bengee, kingsley et al would discuss the selection of an appropriate technology to implement the agreed on formating, look & feel
14:23:30 <MartinD> susie asks when we expect to have the portal running
14:24:10 <MartinD> kingsley says the portal is done, ready... if we have a sparql endpoint, this is already a tangible deliverable
14:24:26 <MartinD> the second step would be to deliver the same content via web front end
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14:25:07 <MartinD> kingsley suggests that spaql endpoint already exists, we just need to start uploading data, so phase one (SPRQL) can be ready by next week's telecon
14:25:44 <MartinD> susie asks if there is some information available to people to learn what is already there, how to access it,...
14:25:52 <leobard> there are two wiki pages:
14:25:53 <leobard> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataVocabulary
14:25:59 <leobard> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/HowtoPublish
14:26:27 <MartinD> currently one can add either a resource directly (content) or an RDF representation of a particular resource (e.g. for use cases)
14:26:58 <MartinD> ivan suggests that one possibility would be to use e.g. exhibit applied to parts of content to make some simple demonstrations of content
14:27:48 <MartinD> ivan suggests we could perhaps include some additional links (e.g. to books, ...) into the submitted materials
14:28:23 <MartinD> ACTION: by 27 June telecon, a SPARQL engine to be available for some basic demonstrations
14:29:06 <danja> connection to OpenLinkingData great idea
14:29:15 <MartinD> ACTION: by 4 July create some guidance for submitting materials sufficiently friendly for users (based on inputs on links given by leo above)
14:29:39 <MartinD> close agendum 1
14:29:40 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:29:45 <MartinD> close agendum 2
14:30:00 <MartinD> agenda+ URI document
14:30:09 <MartinD> open agendum 3
14:30:34 <MartinD> leo describes the progress in working on URI document and cnsidering how to make this public 
14:30:45 <MartinD> maybe as a tutorial it would be a useful output
14:30:59 <MartinD> susie asks what we need to do to make it into W3C Note
14:31:31 <MartinD> ivan says that would be about structuring, stylesheeting, a bit of editing, and then ivan can publish it under W3C node structure
14:31:54 <MartinD> thus, document may get more credibility if published under W3C
14:32:41 <MartinD> if put as W3C node, it would be with Leo and Richard as editors, might be also useful to include the reviewer (Stuart) as a third editor, if the comments were substantial
14:33:24 <MartinD> would be also a good idea to include a person from other WG so that the doc has broader ownership
14:33:54 <MartinD> broder ownership including TAG group member is good for credibility
14:34:27 <MartinD> ACTION: leo to incorporate comments from the review into the doc by mid July
14:34:33 <MartinD> close agendum 3
14:34:45 <MartinD> agenda+ enterprise survey
14:34:51 <MartinD> open agendum 4
14:35:08 <MartinD> enterprise survey -- karen not present, so no progress
14:35:12 <MartinD> close agendum 4
14:35:22 <MartinD> agenda+ f2f mtg
14:35:26 <MartinD> open agendum 5
14:36:04 <MartinD> susies sent an email re F2F mtg around 24th October in Boston area, to coincide with the broader W3C mtg
14:36:20 <MartinD> most people are fine with this, so there is a proposal for 24th October...
14:36:52 <MartinD> SWEO F2F *will* take place on 24 October in Boston area -- agreed
14:37:00 <MartinD> ivan will check if it can take place at MIT
14:37:10 <MartinD> close agendum 5
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14:37:57 <MartinD> bengee asks if there is an open SWEO list? or considerations for one
14:38:34 <MartinD> susie says it was decided earlier to have clsoed list, only for member subscriptions, but the content is publicly available in archives
14:39:01 <MartinD> the W3C mailing list is controlled by membership and user DB, so completely open list might not work in this setup
14:39:23 <MartinD> some groups (like SWIG) have totally open lists, but that's different setup
14:39:56 <MartinD> ivan emphasizes that W3C arcihve actually support RSS feeds, which can actually be subscribed to
14:40:22 <MartinD> susie returns to use cases
14:40:46 <MartinD> there was some interest among hutchinson, etc. but not real input yet
14:41:27 <MartinD> kingsley says he has some customers "under construction" but more work is needed -- he currently works on other stuff, but once finished this will be revisited
14:42:21 <MartinD> there is a progress expected on CRM support, some enterprise things also
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14:42:43 <Zakim> -Ivan
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14:42:54 <Zakim> Attendees were susie, MartinD, Jeff_Schiffel, +1.603.886.aaaa, Kingsley_Idehen, bengee, Ivan, leobard, danja_, uldis, LeeF
14:43:13 <danja> re. use cases/demos
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14:43:53 <MartinD> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:43:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-sweo-minutes.html MartinD
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