IRC log of xmlsec on 2007-06-19

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc

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zakim, this will be xmlsec

12:47:47 [Zakim]

ok, fjh; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes

12:47:54 [fjh]

zakim, what is the code?

12:47:54 [Zakim]

the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), fjh

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference Call

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Chair: Frederick Hirsch

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ScribeNick:klanz2

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RRSAgent, make log public

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0055.html

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Regrets: Hal Lockhart

12:50:39 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 1) Administrivia: scribe confirmation, next meeting

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T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started

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+Frederick_Hirsch

12:55:27 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

12:55:27 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch

12:55:28 [Zakim]

On IRC I see sean, tlr, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng

12:56:36 [Zakim]

+??P6

12:56:38 [klanz2]

zakim, ? is klanz2

12:56:38 [Zakim]

+klanz2; got it

12:56:43 [fjh]

Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen

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+sean

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12:57:39 [fjh]

Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen, Greg Whitehead, Ed Simon

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12:58:32 [klanz2]

Hello

12:58:45 [fjh]

Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen, Greg Whitehead, Ed Simon, Juan Carlos Cruellas

12:59:19 [Zakim]

+ +1.613.726.aaaa

12:59:37 [klanz2]

zakim, ? is EdS

12:59:37 [Zakim]

sorry, klanz2, I do not recognize a party named '?'

12:59:52 [fjh]

zakim, +1.613.726.aaaa is EdS

12:59:52 [Zakim]

+EdS; got it

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+grw

13:00:38 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 1a) Peter Lipp (Konrad Lanz will do if Peter not available) is scheduled to scribe.

13:00:39 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-skype

13:00:39 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

13:00:41 [Zakim]

+Thomas

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+RobMiller

13:01:02 [klanz2]

chair: Konrad is the Scribe

13:01:24 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 1b) Meeting planning

13:01:25 [fjh]

Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen, Greg Whitehead, Ed Simon, Juan Carlos Cruellas, Rob Miller

13:01:44 [klanz2]

fjh: Teleconference 3 July?

13:01:55 [klanz2]

fjh: are there regrets

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+[IPcaller]

13:02:11 [klanz2]

Miller: regrets

13:02:12 [tlr]

zakim, IPcaller is jcc

13:02:12 [Zakim]

+jcc; got it

13:02:19 [klanz2]

Sean: regrets

13:02:34 [klanz2]

fjh: prefer not to have the call ...

13:02:47 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

13:02:47 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, sean, EdS, grw, Thomas, RobMiller, jcc

13:03:25 [klanz2]

greg whitehead: leave hp, will dropp of some groups

13:03:37 [klanz2]

tlr: will there be a successor

13:03:52 [klanz2]

greg whitehead: talk to tlr after the call

13:04:18 [klanz2]

fjh: proposes to cancel 3rd of July call

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seconded

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RESOLUTION: 3rd of July call cancelled

13:04:49 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 2) Review and approval of last meeting's minutes

13:04:52 [fjh]

minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-xmlsec-minutes

13:05:06 [klanz2]

fjh: revised minutes, re attendence

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RESOLUTION: Minutes accepted

13:05:32 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 3) Action item review

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ACTION-26: continued

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ACTION-35: continued

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ACTION-36: closed

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Close, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0046.html

13:06:51 [klanz2]

ACTION-37: sean will suggest some things

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ACTION-38: closed with no Action ...

13:07:49 [klanz2]

nothing to add to JCC analysis

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Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen, Greg Whitehead, Ed Simon, Juan Carlos Cruellas, Rob Miller, Donald Eastlake

13:08:29 [eastlake]

Hi, Sorry but I have to be on another teleconference until 9:30

13:08:44 [klanz2]

ACTION-48: closed, comment dropped due to some overseen text

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http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/39

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s/39/48/

13:09:34 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/48

13:10:34 [klanz2]

jcc: provide link later in the call

13:10:37 [Zakim]

+R_Salz

13:10:56 [fjh]

Present: Frederick Hirsch, Konrad Lanz, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullen, Greg Whitehead, Ed Simon, Juan Carlos Cruellas, Rob Miller, Donald Eastlake, Rich Salz

13:11:27 [klanz2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0046.html

13:12:09 [klanz2]

jcc: subject should be ACTION-48

13:12:29 [klanz2]

tlr: will reopen action-36

13:12:40 [klanz2]

jcc: no, action-36 is also closed

13:13:07 [klanz2]

tlr: fised up links in tracker

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s/fised/fixed/

13:13:22 [klanz2]

ACTION-48: closed

13:13:31 [klanz2]

ACTION-49:closed

13:13:42 [klanz2]

Done see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0028.html

13:14:03 [klanz2]

ACTION-50: open

13:14:13 [klanz2]

ACTION-51:closed

13:14:23 [klanz2]

Done, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0033.html

13:14:35 [fjh]

49 closed with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0028.htm

13:15:01 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 4) Workshop/CFP

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Announcement on web: http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/ws/

13:15:21 [klanz2]

fjh: approved by W3C, updated version availiable

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cfp http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/ws/cfp.html

13:15:38 [klanz2]

fjh: request for position papers

13:15:55 [klanz2]

tlr: page not yet public, will be public until tomorrow

13:16:15 [klanz2]

tlr: start propaganda in one or two days

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fjh: will there be different uri

13:16:36 [klanz2]

tlr: access permissions will be changed

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tlr: will send explicit message to the list to get propaganda started

13:17:38 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 5) Decryption Transform to Last Call

13:17:54 [klanz2]

fjh: proposed to publish

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and also go to Last Call

13:18:35 [klanz2]

RESOLUTION: WG agrees to bring Decryption Transform to publication in Last Call

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s/in/and/

13:18:54 [klanz2]

tlr: short names need to be considered ...

13:19:13 [klanz2]

tlr: current short name is ...

13:19:30 [tlr]

http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlenc-decrypt

13:19:36 [tlr]

xmlenc-decrypt11

13:20:06 [klanz2]

fjh: should we change the title ...

13:20:17 [fjh]

document http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmlenc-decrypt.html

13:20:45 [fjh]

no need to change title, editors draft already updated

13:20:50 [klanz2]

tlr: proposed xmlenc-decrypt11 as short name

13:21:15 [tlr]

RESOLUTION: to ask permission to use xmlenc-decrypt11

13:21:16 [klanz2]

RESOLUTION: WG agrees to use xmlenc-decrypt11 as short name for Decryption Transform to publication in Last Call

13:21:46 [tlr]

s/RESOLUTION: to ask permission to use xmlenc-decrypt11//

13:21:54 [tlr]

tlr: it's actually "ask for permission", but that's ok. ;-)

13:21:57 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 6) DSig-Usage note

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tlr: is editor, take over from xml core ...

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RESOLUTION: WG agrees to ask whether we ask to take over the DSig-Usage note from xml core

13:23:44 [EdS]

I agree.

13:23:48 [klanz2]

+1

13:24:17 [tlr]

s/ WG agrees to ask whether we ask to take over the DSig-Usage note from xml core/WG to ask XML Core to hand over ownership of the dsig-usage note to this working group/

13:24:53 [tlr]

ACTION: thomas to ask XML Core chairs for dsig-usage note

13:24:53 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-52 - Ask XML Core chairs for dsig-usage note [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-26].

13:25:06 [tlr]

ACTION: thomas to work toward publication of xmlenc-decrypt11 as Last Call WD

13:25:06 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-53 - Work toward publication of xmlenc-decrypt11 as Last Call WD [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-26].

13:25:06 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 7) Interop testing participation and timing

13:25:38 [klanz2]

fjh: questionnaire: C14N11 - 4 yes, timing - early Q3?

13:25:38 [klanz2]

DSig Core - 4 yes, early Q3?

13:25:38 [klanz2]

Decrypt Transform - 10 No's. No interop?

13:26:23 [klanz2]

fjh: is C14N11 possibile in Q3 ...

13:26:25 [sean]

late summer would be better, maybe August

13:27:05 [fjh]

klanz2: started work on implementation, test cases

13:27:12 [fjh]

... maybe need repository for test cases

13:27:17 [jcc]

late August mid September...

13:27:32 [klanz2]

klanz2: test cases rather early, cvs repository would be helpful

13:28:10 [klanz2]

fjh: feasible to do interop at the same time workshop

13:29:21 [fjh]

ACTION: phil to check whether we can add time to Sept F2F for interop

13:29:21 [trackbot-ng]

Sorry, couldn't find user - phil

13:29:36 [klanz2]

tlr: do we need to change cfp ?

13:30:20 [klanz2]

.. why would this impact the cfp

13:30:44 [klanz2]

tlr: proposed to phrase it as part of the workshop

13:31:06 [klanz2]

greg whitehead: I thought we would make this after the workshop

13:31:34 [klanz2]

fjh: pull as much time out of the workshop as possible, thout it would be after

13:32:04 [fjh]

s/pull as much time out of the workshop as possible, thout it would be after/keep a full workshop, add time for WG interop after, in addition to workshop/

13:32:08 [klanz2]

check with phb whether we could continue after the workshop at versign with interop

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not lose workshop time

13:32:55 [klanz2]

tlr: one more thing end up doing, put pointers on the home page ...

13:33:29 [klanz2]

fjh: we propose additional half day ...

13:33:50 [klanz2]

tlr: will have to go to W3C manegerial level ...

13:33:53 [tlr]

ACTION: thomas to check with phill whether we can add time to Sept F2F for interop

13:34:13 [klanz2]

ACTION: thomas to ask whether we can add time to workshop

13:34:13 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-54 - Ask whether we can add time to workshop [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-26].

13:34:19 [fjh]

change "add time" to "add an additional 1/2 day after workshop"?

13:34:33 [tlr]

ACTION: thomas to create questionnaire to check availability on 27 September

13:34:33 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-55 - Create questionnaire to check availability on 27 September [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-26].

13:35:29 [fjh]

change 1/2 day to 1 day

13:35:33 [klanz2]

tlr: puts up questionnaire

13:35:38 [fjh]

everyone please respond to questionnaire

13:36:15 [tlr]

hello?

13:36:25 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 8) XML Signature Revision - Errata 01

13:36:33 [tlr]

zakim, drop thomas

13:36:33 [Zakim]

Thomas is being disconnected

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-Thomas

13:36:36 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-skype

13:36:36 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

13:36:38 [Zakim]

+Thomas

13:36:42 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-X509Data

13:36:47 [tlr]

apologies

13:37:09 [klanz2]

fjh: red line corrects the first two bullett items

13:38:04 [fjh]

"To encode a distinguished name (X509IssuerSerial,X509SubjectName, and KeyName if approriate), the encoding rules in section 2 of RFC 2253 [LDAP-DN] SHOULD be applied, except that the string encoding rules in section 2.4 of RFC 2253 [LDAP-DN] should be augmented as

13:38:35 [klanz2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0051.html

13:39:20 [Zakim]

+deastl

13:39:38 [tlr]

q+

13:40:33 [fjh]

ack tlr

13:40:59 [klanz2]

EdS: does it make sense to make rules at all as no implementations

13:41:07 [klanz2]

tlr: two set of questions

13:41:34 [klanz2]

tlr: current text RFCs 2253 4514 put together boils down to ...

13:42:16 [tlr]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0033.html

13:42:28 [fjh]

comply with grammar and rfc rule + addtl constraints in dsig core

13:42:48 [fjh]

s/comply/tlr: comply/

13:42:55 [klanz2]

tlr: coply with grammar

13:44:01 [klanz2]

tlr: are the additional rules useful or not ...

13:44:15 [klanz2]

tlr: proposal as in the editors draft

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q+

13:44:38 [EdS]

I can only catch about half of what Thomas is saying due to audio issues.

13:44:49 [fjh]

http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4515.txt

13:45:19 [tlr]

proposal: (1) changes as outlined in message; (2) reference 4515

13:45:23 [tlr]

zakim, drop thomas

13:45:23 [Zakim]

Thomas is being disconnected

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-Thomas

13:45:39 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-skype

13:45:39 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas

13:45:45 [sean]

s/4515/4514

13:45:49 [klanz2]

fjh: tlr says we cannot rip it out at all

13:46:08 [fjh]

since already in REC

13:47:09 [klanz2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-ietf-xmldsig/2001AprJun/0118.html

13:47:09 [klanz2]

> 1. The schema will not prevent people from having leading or trailing

13:47:09 [klanz2]

> whitespace in the content of KeyName (and it shouldn't!). The spec will

13:47:09 [klanz2]

> just say that any leading and trailing whitespace MUST be trimmed to obtain

13:47:09 [klanz2]

> the actual KeyName.

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>

13:47:12 [tlr]

q+

13:47:12 [klanz2]

> 2. The code will look something like this:

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>

13:47:16 [klanz2]

> Node nodeKeyName = XPathAPI.selectNode(doc, "//KeyName/text()"); // get

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> the text content of <KeyName>

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> String strNodeKeyName = nodeKeyName.nodeValue();

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> String strKeyName = strNodeKeyName.trim();

13:47:23 [fjh]

ack klanz

13:47:24 [klanz2]

> KeyResolver.resolveWithKeyName(strKeyName);

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>

13:48:03 [klanz2]

Tom Gindin

13:48:11 [klanz2]

Merlin Hughs

13:48:30 [tlr]

q?

13:48:38 [fjh]

ack tlr

13:49:33 [fjh]

is konrad proposal to remove "*Escape any trailing space characters (Unicode \x20) by replacing them with "\20", instead of using the escape sequence "\ ".

13:49:37 [fjh]

?

13:49:43 [klanz2]

Why would someone really care to type a DNAME as follows

13:49:43 [klanz2]

<DName>CN=foo \20

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</DName>

13:49:43 [klanz2]

instead of

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<DName>CN=foo \ </DName>

13:51:02 [fjh]

tlr: reason for \20 is to protect significant whitespace in XML processing

13:51:22 [klanz2]

rich: xml layer

13:51:58 [klanz2]

rich: is not necessary

13:52:19 [fjh]

Rich: normalizing space was a use case for this that is not being used

13:52:47 [tlr]

q+

13:52:53 [fjh]

ack tlr

13:53:32 [klanz2]

tlr: we should record unecessary feature

13:53:53 [klanz2]

q+

13:54:02 [klanz2]

tlr: deal in futire iterations

13:54:09 [fjh]

s/in/with in

13:54:21 [fjh]

s/iterations/iterations since not simply errata

13:55:00 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-core/#sec-X509Data

13:56:07 [fjh]

q+ fjh where are we at?

13:56:40 [klanz2]

fjh: remove in future versions

13:56:51 [EdS]

I think the point of this section was robustness -- clearly indicating indicating whether trailing white space that happens to be in a KeyName is significant or not. Some lazy apps may include irrelevant trailing white space that should NOT be treated as relevant by receiving applications.

13:58:29 [fjh]

question - is removal of whitespace escaping a conformance issue if this material is lowercase "should"

13:58:49 [fjh]

klanz2: corner case nobody uses, why not remove?

13:59:50 [EdS]

I shouldn't have said in my statement above "the point" but rather "one of the points".

14:00:34 [EdS]

Let's continue to discuss on the list.

14:01:01 [fjh]

rich: in favor of removing \20 processing rule for DNames

14:01:20 [fjh]

klanz2: no need for unicode bullets, normal XML processing

14:01:36 [fjh]

edS: agrees with klanz2 on no need for unicode or std xml processing points

14:02:02 [fjh]

tlr: distinguish creation and receiver processing

14:02:21 [fjh]

... removing might impact receivers that rely on it

14:02:46 [fjh]

... not impact conformance requirement, concern

14:03:40 [klanz2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-ietf-xmldsig/2001AprJun/0118.html: The spec will

14:03:41 [klanz2]

just say that any leading and trailing whitespace MUST be trimmed to obtain

14:03:41 [klanz2]

the actual KeyName.

14:04:02 [klanz2]

but that never seems to have made it into the spec

14:05:09 [fjh]

grw: agrees to remove but not in an errata release, should do in next version

14:05:17 [fjh]

... this is more of an enhancement

14:05:35 [Zakim]

-R_Salz

14:06:02 [fjh]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-ietf-xmldsig/2001AprJun/0118.html

14:07:03 [EdS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-ietf-xmldsig/2002JanMar/0229.html

14:08:08 [Zakim]

-grw

14:08:33 [Zakim]

-RobMiller

14:08:35 [Zakim]

-jcc

14:08:38 [Zakim]

-sean

14:08:40 [Zakim]

-deastl

14:08:46 [Zakim]

-EdS

14:08:49 [Zakim]

-Thomas

14:09:59 [fjh]

Zakim, list participants

14:09:59 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, sean, EdS, grw, Thomas, RobMiller, jcc, R_Salz, deastl

14:10:11 [fjh]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

14:10:11 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh

14:10:45 [klanz2]

Zakim, bye

14:10:45 [Zakim]

leaving. As of this point the attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, sean, EdS, grw, Thomas, RobMiller, jcc, R_Salz, deastl

14:10:45 [Zakim]

Zakim has left #xmlsec

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RRSAgent, bye

14:10:56 [RRSAgent]

I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-actions.rdf :

14:10:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: thomas to ask XML Core chairs for dsig-usage note [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-24-53

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ACTION: thomas to work toward publication of xmlenc-decrypt11 as Last Call WD [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-25-06

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ACTION: phil to check whether we can add time to Sept F2F for interop [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-29-21

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ACTION: thomas to check with phill whether we can add time to Sept F2F for interop [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-33-53

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ACTION: thomas to ask whether we can add time to workshop [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-34-13

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ACTION: thomas to create questionnaire to check availability on 27 September [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-xmlsec-irc#T13-34-33