IRC log of tsdtf on 2007-06-19

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12:30:15 [shadi]

zakim, this will be tsd

12:30:15 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start now

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zakim, code?

12:31:07 [Zakim]

the conference code is 8783 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi

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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started

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+Cooper

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+Shadi

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+Christophe_Strobbe

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meeting: TSD TF

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zakim, who is making noise?

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chair: CarlosV, Christophe

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scribe: Shadi

12:33:11 [Zakim]

shadi, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Christophe_Strobbe (68%), Shadi (5%)

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regrets: Tim

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+Vangelis_Karkaletsis

12:34:06 [shadi]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Jun/0007.html

12:34:23 [shadi]

agenda+ XPath 2.0 in TCDL 2.0

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agenda+ Updating test samples to new WCAG 2.0 working draft

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agenda+ Web form interface for submitting test samples

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+??P4

12:36:25 [Christophe]

zakim, P4 is CarlosIglesias

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sorry, Christophe, I do not recognize a party named 'P4'

12:36:31 [Christophe]

zakim, ??P4 is CarlosIglesias

12:36:31 [Zakim]

+CarlosIglesias; got it

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+Reinhard

12:37:27 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "XPath 2.0 in TCDL 2.0" taken up [from shadi]

12:38:11 [shadi]

CS: advise to jump to XPath 2.0 in TCDL 2.0, more powerfull than the current XPath 1.0

12:38:34 [shadi]

...no compatibility issues that will impact the subset we are using

12:39:47 [shadi]

CI: we wanted to use EARL pointers, will this be incompatible? i don't see conflicts.

12:40:08 [shadi]

...we can add XPath 2.0 as another type of pointers in the EARL pointers draft

12:40:18 [shadi]

...once we do this, I don't see a problem

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CS: does the current EARL draft refer to specific XPath version?

12:41:01 [shadi]

CI: don't think so, we just talked about XPath so far

12:41:09 [shadi]

...may need to include version numbers

12:41:39 [shadi]

CS: we don't have a dependency on EARL pointers anyway

12:43:46 [shadi]

SAZ: concur with CI, but just a question to clarify

12:44:39 [shadi]

...we are not losing anything when we jump from XPath 1.0 -> XPath 2.0 (in the metadata subset of TCDL 2.0)

12:45:04 [shadi]

...but do we win anything? is there something that we can do now that we couldN't do before?

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...do we even need to specify the version of XPath if they are that compatible?

12:46:41 [shadi]

CS: if we want to use more complex querries then we have to use XPath 2.0

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...for example built-in datatypes or regular expressions

12:48:23 [shadi]

SAZ: so it is sufficient that the EARL pointer vocabulary identifies the version number?

12:48:30 [shadi]

CS: yes, I think so

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...we can find a convention for the time being until the EARL pointer vocabulary is updated

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SAZ: yes, we can use XPath 2.0 for now, and update the EArL pointers at the same time

12:49:59 [shadi]

CS: any objections to this?

12:53:47 [shadi]

action: CI include the issue on XPath versions in the EARL pointers planning work

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RESOLUTION: for now, XPath 2.0 is the default format for any XPath expressions in the metadata

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action: CS add a clarification note in the metadata on the (temporary) XPath 2.0 convention

12:56:27 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

12:56:27 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Updating test samples to new WCAG 2.0 working draft" taken up [from shadi]

12:56:57 [Christophe]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Jun/0001.html

12:57:12 [shadi]

CS: we talked about that last time, had an action item to check the impact of this change

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...sent a mail, some need changes

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...who volunteers?

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MC: i should do some

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RR: me too

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action: MC and RR choose 3 test samples and check if they need to be updated to the new WCAG 2.0 WD (send a mail to list to avoid duplicate work)

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zakim, take up next

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agendum 3. "Web form interface for submitting test samples" taken up [from shadi]

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EV: no news right now, look for someone to work on the interface

13:04:20 [Christophe]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Jun/0003.html

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SAZ: MWI are working on a new interface, we are coordinating internally

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...hopefully we can adopt some of this work from them

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agenda+ Action Item review

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zakim, take up next

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agendum 4. "Action Item review" taken up [from shadi]

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CS: SAZ you have an action item open

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...also you wanted to move some of the usage docs to the CVS repository

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SAZ: sorry, didn't get to it. will try this week

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action: SAZ update the review process document

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action: SAZ move review process document to the CVS repository

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agenda+ Structure Review script

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zakim, take up next

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agendum 5. "Structure Review script" taken up [from shadi]

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CS: working on a structure review script

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...have some code but still finalizing it

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...will announce it soon

13:09:41 [Christophe]

Schematron

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SAZ: what technology?

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CS: schematron, running XSLT 1.0 or XSLT 2.0

13:10:54 [Christophe]

see also http://www.schematron.com/

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-Vangelis_Karkaletsis

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-Reinhard

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-Cooper

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-Shadi

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-Christophe_Strobbe

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-CarlosIglesias

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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Cooper, Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, CarlosIglesias, Reinhard

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-tsdtf-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: CI include the issue on XPath versions in the EARL pointers planning work [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-tsdtf-irc#T12-53-47

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ACTION: CS add a clarification note in the metadata on the (temporary) XPath 2.0 convention [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-tsdtf-irc#T12-56-00

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ACTION: MC and RR choose 3 test samples and check if they need to be updated to the new WCAG 2.0 WD (send a mail to list to avoid duplicate work) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-tsdtf-irc#T13-02-49

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ACTION: SAZ update the review process document [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-tsdtf-irc#T13-07-54

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ACTION: SAZ move review process document to the CVS repository [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-tsdtf-irc#T13-08-15