IRC log of rdfa on 2007-06-14

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logging to
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14:41:35 [mhausenblas]
zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)
14:41:35 [Zakim]
ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
14:44:09 [mhausenblas]
Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-06-14, 15:00 UTC
14:47:52 [mhausenblas]
14:49:32 [mhausenblas]
Present: Mark_Birbeck, Steven_Pemberton, Keith_Alexander, Simone_Onofri, Michael_Hausenblas
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14:49:53 [Steven]
I am only present remotely (at a FtF)
14:50:23 [mhausenblas]
Steven, ack ;)
14:50:36 [mhausenblas]
present+ Shane_McCarron
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
14:51:04 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, make logs public
14:51:43 [ShaneM]
we dont start for another 8 minutes right?
14:52:02 [mhausenblas]
14:56:20 [ShaneM]
I have a house full o children this morning; might not be wise
14:59:49 [markbirbeck]
I am remotely attending the XForms FtF, but am breaking of to attend the call.
15:00:14 [markbirbeck]
Will be a couple of minutes late though. (Need a drink. :))
15:00:17 [Zakim]
SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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15:00:24 [mhausenblas]
ScribeNick: mhausenblas
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+ +043316876aaaa
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15:01:17 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, aaaa is me
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+mhausenblas; got it
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
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15:03:49 [Simone]
Zakim, ??P5 is me
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+Simone; got it
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15:04:08 [EliasT]
Zakim, Elias_Torres is me
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+EliasT; got it
15:04:18 [mhausenblas]
present+ Elias_Torres
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having trouble dialing in.
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15:05:03 [mhausenblas]
present+ Ben_Adida
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
15:05:39 [benadida]
zakim, who is on the call?
15:05:39 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ShaneM, mhausenblas, Simone, EliasT, Ben_Adida
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Chair: Ben
15:07:22 [mhausenblas]
Topic: 1. Action Item Review
15:07:34 [mhausenblas]
-> meeting record: 2007-05-31 RDFa telecon
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[NEW] ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in]
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- continues
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-- continues
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[NEW] ACTION: Ben to review tracker issues and add @resource, @href, @src, profile if not there already [recorded in]
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-- done
15:08:27 [mhausenblas]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in]
15:08:45 [Zakim]
15:08:45 [mhausenblas]
-- continues
15:09:07 [mhausenblas]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to ask W3C about XML-DTD validation [recorded in]
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-- done
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to flesh out the schedule and present for everyone's approval next week. [recorded in]
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-- done
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15:10:27 [mhausenblas]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in]
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-- continues
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to take a look at to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in]
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-- done
15:11:00 [mhausenblas]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in]
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-- continues
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[PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in]
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-- continues
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[PENDING] ACTION: Mark to write up a consistent story on the @SRC attribute [recorded in]
15:12:12 [EliasT]
Zakim, mute me
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EliasT should now be muted
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-- continues
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15:13:34 [mhausenblas]
Mark: Two issues 'Not agreed, but on the table'
15:15:21 [ShaneM]
I note that even HTML5 is no longer imputing semantics on class
15:15:46 [mhausenblas]
... will write up proposal for @src
15:21:10 [EliasT]
Zakim, unmute me
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EliasT should no longer be muted
15:21:22 [Simone]
Zakim, mute me
15:21:22 [Zakim]
Simone should now be muted
15:22:16 [mhausenblas]
[PENDING] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in]
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-- continues
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[PENDING] ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in]
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-- continues
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
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-> Exhibit
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[PENDING] ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in]
15:25:39 [Steven]
15:26:06 [mhausenblas]
[PENDING] ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in]
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-- continues
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Topic: 2. Issues Review
15:26:52 [mhausenblas]
Ben: My plan ws to go over the issues
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15:27:17 [mhausenblas]
... but without ralph and Steven on the call hard to do
15:27:29 [Steven]
15:27:33 [mhausenblas]
15:27:55 [mhausenblas]
... we do it via mail
15:28:09 [mhausenblas]
Ben: One issue I'd like to tackle
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... GRDDL profile
15:28:53 [benadida]
my thoughts: if you control the head of the doc, and you want to be nice, put a GRDDL profile for RDFa, but if you're a consumer, don't rely on it always being there, because the DTD is already there to point you back to the RDFa.
15:29:26 [mhausenblas]
Ben: Any comments?
15:29:43 [benadida]
this is ISSUE-28, btw
15:30:59 [mhausenblas]
-> ISSUE-28
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Mark: Should ensure that we are able to handle other formats
15:32:21 [mhausenblas]
... that might also around in the page
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15:37:56 [ShaneM]
suggestion: proile URI should be a profile URI space.... e.g.*
15:38:03 [mhausenblas]
ACTION: Ben to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at
15:40:57 [mhausenblas]
ACTION: Ben to take care of issues 2, 5, 25,28, 29 via list
15:41:03 [benadida]
Steven: any update on RDFa syntax doc?
15:41:23 [mhausenblas]
Topic: 3. Schedule and Document Status
15:41:24 [Steven]
Not publicly
15:41:39 [Steven]
I need to talk to you about integrating it into the XHTML pubs system
15:41:49 [Steven]
But maybe Shane can talk about that since he's on the call
15:42:05 [Steven]
(how committed are you to using XMLSpec?)
15:44:15 [mhausenblas]
Ben: I'm happy to put some time into it
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Mark: I am also willing to heavily contribute
15:48:41 [mhausenblas]
Shane: Stumbled over it when reading the -> XHTML 2 charter
15:51:26 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
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-> Schedule
15:54:16 [ShaneM]
Note that I am on holiday from 14 -> 22 July, but we can have my bits done long before then.
15:54:29 [mhausenblas]
Ben: Let's beat the schedule
15:56:09 [ShaneM]
Steven is not aware of any upcoming publication moratoria
15:56:31 [mhausenblas]
Michael: I'm very likely not available round August (3rd baby approaching :)
15:58:07 [mhausenblas]
Mark: A bit worried about upcoming issues during this period
15:58:33 [mhausenblas]
... but when we set a dealine, this should be o.k.
16:00:24 [mhausenblas]
Ben: We need to be able to point people to answers
16:00:49 [mhausenblas]
... a good documentation is viable
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... lot of issue then fade away
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... SWD tracker can help us here
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Ben: Should resolve all objections till end of June
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Topic: 4. The @RESOURCE and @HREF situation
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
16:05:39 [EliasT]
+1 again
16:05:52 [Zakim]
16:06:26 [mhausenblas]
ACTION: Ben to add @RESOURCE and @HREF to his task list
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were ShaneM, +043316876aaaa, mhausenblas, Simone, EliasT, Ben_Adida, Mark_Birbeck
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16:08:19 [Steven]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate Steven
16:08:31 [Steven]
(you must make minutes after Zakim says it is over)
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