IRC log of xmlsec on 2007-06-05

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Teleconference 4 June 2007, Distributed Meeting #5

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Chair: Frederick Hirsch

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Scribe: Konrad Lanz

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0007.html

12:19:20 [klanz2]

zakim, this will be XMLSEC

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ok, klanz2; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 41 minutes

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RRSAgent, make log public

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zakim, who is on the call?

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T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has not yet started, fjh

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On IRC I see fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng

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Zakim,this will be xmlsec

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ok, fjh; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference Call

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Chair: Frederick Hirsch

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0007.html

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T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started

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+Frederick_Hirsch

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RRSAgent, make log member

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zakim, who is here?

12:52:58 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch

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On IRC I see fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng

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+??P6

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+EdSimon

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zakim, who is here?

12:59:40 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon

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On IRC I see Sean, jcc, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng

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+??P8

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+ +1.617.876.aaaa

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zakim, ? is sean

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sorry, klanz2, I do not recognize a party named '?'

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zakim, call thomas-skype

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ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas

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+Hal

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zakim, drop thomas

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Thomas is being disconnected

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-Thomas

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TOPIC: Administrivia: scribe confirmation, next meeting

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zakim, who is here?

13:02:08 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon, jcc, sean, Hal

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On IRC I see hal, tlr, esimon2, Sean, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng

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zakim, call thomas-781

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ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas

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zakim, drop thomas

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Thomas is being disconnected

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-Thomas

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zakim, call thomas-mobile-de

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ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas

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+grw

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zakim, who is here?

13:03:08 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon, jcc, sean, Hal, Thomas, grw

13:03:10 [Zakim]

On IRC I see jcc, hal, tlr, esimon2, Sean, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng

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zakim, call thomas-skype

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ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas

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-Thomas

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+RobMiller

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Meeting: XML Sec WG weekly

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Date: 5 June 2007

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HAL: not in office next meeting

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zakim, who is here?

13:05:16 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon, jcc, sean, Thomas, Hal, grw, RobMiller

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On IRC I see jcc, hal, tlr, esimon2, Sean, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng

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ScribeNick: klanz2

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0007.html

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Chair: fjh

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TOPIC: Review and approval of last meeting's minutes

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minutes from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2007/05/29-xmlsec-minutes

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resolution: minutes approved

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RESOLUTION: minutes approved

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TOPIC: Action item review

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ACTION-26 continues

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zakim, code

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I don't understand 'code', PHB2

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TOPIC: Action-26

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tlr: no progress

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zakim, what is the code?

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the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), PHB2

13:08:20 [klanz2]

tlr: couple of issues need resolution and interaction with the xml coordination group

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+PHB

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TOPIC: Action-28

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TOPIC: Action-34

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Closed ACTION-28

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klanz2: no conformance affecting changes

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TOPIC: ACTION-35

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fjh: still open and on rsalz

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TOPIC: ACTION-36

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jcc: action should be closed

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TOPIC: ACTION-37

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TOPIC: ACTION-38

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message from JC for action 36: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html

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Close ACTION-38

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TOPIC ACTION-40

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CLOSE ACTION-40

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TOPIC ACTION-41

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Action 40: the Java SE implementation doesn't do any of the DNAME encoding rules; we just encode as RFC 2253 String

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ACTION-42 clodsed

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s/clodsed/

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s/clodsed/closed/

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TOPIC: Workshop

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s/Action 40/Action 41

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s/Action 40/Action 41/

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fjh: submission for approval next wednesday

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0000.html

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fjh, chair hat off: sent message to list with some tweaks

13:15:35 [klanz2]

fhj: add an item to capture other standards experience

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+1 to the proposed changes

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Experience and consequences of building other specifications or standards with the XML Signature and XML Encryption suites of specifications as a basis

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Insight into the interaction of the XML Security specifications with the evolving XML environment

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fhj: other changes are editorial

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RESOLUTION: Changes accepted

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RESOLUTION: Changes by fhj are acceoted

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ACTION: thomas to update CFP draft as suggested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0000.html

13:17:02 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-44 - Update CFP draft as suggested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0000.html [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-12].

13:17:03 [ptrimint]

hi, I am Panos Trimintzios from ENISA .. just logged in (apologies for delay)

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s/fhj/fjh

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zakim, code?

13:17:14 [Zakim]

the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr

13:17:28 [klanz2]

TOPIC: Logitics for the Workshop

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zakim, I am thomas

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ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas

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zakim, mute me

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Thomas should now be muted

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hal: largest room for people seated at tables for 30 people

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phb: can contact VSGN and see if there's a venue there

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who is this?

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... have rooms that are large enough ...

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phb: makes a case at verisign to get room

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http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/ws/cfp

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zakim, unmute thomas

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Thomas should no longer be muted

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-PHB

13:20:00 [klanz2]

fjh: can we get this out before next tuesday

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+PHB

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tlr: give necessary information to phil

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phb: will be able to tell in a couple of days

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ACTION: TLR to give information on hosting to PHB

13:21:15 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-45 - Give information on hosting to PHB [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-12].

13:21:24 [tlr]

ACTION-45 due right away

13:21:31 [fjh]

ACTION: PHB to confirm hosting by end of the week

13:21:31 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-46 - Confirm hosting by end of the week [on Phillip Hallam-Baker - due 2007-06-12].

13:21:56 [klanz2]

fhj: is it likely that verisign will host

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s/fhj/fjh

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tlr: there can't be NDAs

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TOPIC: Dates

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fjh: workshop nine to five

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.. considering changing the hosting from bea to verisign

13:24:36 [tlr]

konrad, please only use "TOPIC" for a new agenda item

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TOPIC: 4c) Other workshop issues.

13:25:04 [klanz2]

fjh: willing to chair

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tlr: there is critical mass to do program comittee work

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fjh: on regular call or extra calls

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tlr: if possible on regular calls

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tlr: split the burden among the group into sessions

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fjh: different workgroup members should participate in recording session oputcome to generate final reports

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NOTE: fhj offers to chair

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s/fhj/fjh

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TOPIC: 5) Decryption Transform to Last Call

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fjh: do not neded to wairt for response to ACTION-40

13:29:01 [klanz2]

tlr: plan is to publish current editor's draft

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Pending changes: (1) namespaces; (2) change reference to C14N 1.1 to be more precise

13:30:39 [tlr]

Group can either trust editors to do this and just move ahead to do Last Call FPWD, or look at updated draft @ next meeting

13:30:51 [tlr]

I'm fine either way.

13:31:00 [klanz2]

klanz2: +1

13:31:26 [fjh]

ACTION: tlr and fjh to update editors draft for next meeting

13:31:26 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-47 - And fjh to update editors draft for next meeting [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-06-12].

13:32:09 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 6) C14N11 Review

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0044.html

13:33:31 [fjh]

klanz2: had action to determine if conformance changes between Dec and later version, none found

13:33:49 [fjh]

... wrote implementation to test, found a separate issue with algorithm in appendix

13:34:07 [fjh]

... proposed changed version , also added set of test cases

13:34:38 [fjh]

... primary issue .. processing

13:35:45 [klanz2]

fjh: rsalz not on the call

13:36:01 [jcc]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html

13:37:47 [fjh]

klanz2: xpath filters not defined for canonicalization as such

13:38:23 [klanz2]

jcc: example in section 3.8 does not relate XPATH-Filter

13:38:46 [tlr]

q+

13:39:27 [klanz2]

fjh: put proposal on the list

13:39:56 [klanz2]

Create ACTION on jcc example in section 3.8 does not relate XPATH-Filter

13:40:08 [fjh]

ACTION:: jcc to make proposal to resolve issue on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html

13:40:34 [tlr]

ACTION: jcc to make proposal to resolve issue on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html

13:40:34 [trackbot-ng]

Sorry, couldn't find user - jcc

13:40:46 [tlr]

ACTION: cruellas to make proposal to resolve issue on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html

13:40:46 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-48 - Make proposal to resolve issue on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-06-12].

13:41:24 [fjh]

jcc: asks for link to examples related to appendix a

13:41:32 [klanz2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/att-0044/Apendix.html

13:41:56 [klanz2]

that's the related mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0044.html

13:43:02 [fjh]

sean: would help if konrad has examples showing output before changes he has made, and how different or change needed

13:43:31 [klanz2]

chat is okay

13:44:15 [tlr]

ACTION: konrad to illustrate proposed changes by example

13:44:15 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-49 - Illustrate proposed changes by example [on Konrad Lanz - due 2007-06-12].

13:44:28 [fjh]

esimon2: +1 to sean

13:44:28 [klanz2]

ed: +1 to sean

13:44:58 [klanz2]

"no/.". -> "/" before

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"no/.." -> "" now

13:45:33 [tlr]

q+

13:45:43 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/TR/DSig-usage/

13:46:03 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 7) Algorithm URIs; dsig-usage note

13:46:44 [klanz2]

tlr: we will have to use a different uri in the future

13:47:20 [klanz2]

tlr: given the input the uri will change

13:47:36 [klanz2]

tlr: how will the xml core wg react?

13:49:24 [fjh]

klanz2: some changes to c14n11 needed, conformance changing, during C14N11 CR

13:50:16 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 8) Editorial review - XML Signature

13:50:17 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

13:50:17 [Zakim]

Thomas should now be muted

13:50:25 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/2001/10/xmldsig-errata#E01

13:50:37 [klanz2]

TOPIC: 8a) Errata 01 (Distinguished Name) issue

13:51:36 [klanz2]

sean: sun only does RFC 2253 and none of the special rules in XMLDSIG

13:51:58 [fjh]

sean: key issue is whether rules are optional

13:52:24 [klanz2]

ed: doesn't think the DNAME encoding rules are optional

13:53:10 [fjh]

klanz2: was optional in text, lowercase should, test cases indicated this

13:53:58 [fjh]

sean: need to know what implementations are doing

13:55:05 [fjh]

klanz2: give warning regarding unusual DNames in certs, not common

13:55:37 [klanz2]

ed: proposed some changes

13:55:37 [esimon2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007May/0050.html

13:56:55 [Sean]

q+

13:56:56 [klanz2]

q+

13:56:59 [tlr]

q-

13:57:11 [fjh]

ack sean

13:57:38 [jcc]

q+

13:57:58 [klanz2]

sean: everything we do should be consistent with rfc 2253

13:58:03 [fjh]

ack

13:58:07 [fjh]

ack klanz

13:58:25 [fjh]

klanz: +1 to sean

13:58:36 [jcc]

rfc 4514 obsoletes 2253

13:58:55 [tlr]

q+

13:59:03 [fjh]

klanz: see if whitespace etc matter

13:59:26 [Zakim]

-grw

13:59:29 [esimon2]

+q

13:59:58 [fjh]

... ok with warning

14:00:46 [fjh]

ack jcc

14:01:30 [fjh]

klanz: changing RFC is conformance changing ?

14:01:59 [esimon2]

Need to evaluate whether our changes to the DN description, etc. affect XKMS.

14:03:13 [fjh]

ack Thomas

14:03:15 [klanz2]

jcc: security considerations with DNAMES

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tlr: what was mean originally, if what was meat, is there is case for change

14:04:07 [fjh]

... capture in clear language what was meant originally

14:04:15 [fjh]

... clarify whether normative langue

14:04:17 [klanz2]

q+

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s/langue/language

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ack esimon

14:04:59 [jcc]

section 7.2 of rf2253 (Use of distinguished names in security applications) warns about using the strings for identifying certificates. See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0001.html

14:05:02 [fjh]

ack klanz

14:05:27 [PHB2]

I think we need to get folk like Alex Deacon involved here

14:05:41 [PHB2]

There are two sets of issues: what the specs say and what the applications do

14:07:12 [tlr]

zakim, drop me

14:07:12 [Zakim]

Thomas is being disconnected

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-Thomas

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-PHB

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PHB2 has left #xmlsec

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-sean

14:08:08 [klanz2]

Zakim, list participants

14:08:08 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon, jcc, Thomas, Hal, sean, grw, RobMiller, PHB

14:08:10 [Zakim]

-jcc

14:08:13 [Zakim]

-RobMiller

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-Hal

14:08:17 [klanz2]

RRSAgent, make logs public

14:08:33 [klanz2]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-minutes.html klanz2

14:09:24 [klanz2]

zakim, who is here?

14:09:24 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon

14:09:25 [Zakim]

On IRC I see ptrimint, rmiller, jcc, tlr, esimon2, fjh, RRSAgent, Zakim, klanz2, trackbot-ng

14:10:41 [Zakim]

-EdSimon

14:11:20 [fjh]

zakim, bye

14:11:20 [Zakim]

leaving. As of this point the attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2, EdSimon, jcc, Thomas, Hal, sean, grw, RobMiller, PHB

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Zakim has left #xmlsec

14:11:29 [klanz2]

Zakim, bye

14:11:35 [klanz2]

RRSAgent, bye

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-actions.rdf :

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: 40 to the Java SE implementation doesn't do any of the DNAME encoding rules; we just encode as RFC 2253 String [1]

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-13-25

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: thomas to update CFP draft as suggested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0000.html [2]

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-17-02

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: TLR to give information on hosting to PHB [3]

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-21-15

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: PHB to confirm hosting by end of the week [4]

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-21-31

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: tlr and fjh to update editors draft for next meeting [5]

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-31-26

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: : jcc to make proposal to resolve issue on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html [6]

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-40-08

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jcc to make proposal to resolve issue on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html [7]

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-40-34

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: cruellas to make proposal to resolve issue on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Jun/0010.html [8]

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-40-46

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: konrad to illustrate proposed changes by example [9]

14:11:35 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-xmlsec-irc#T13-44-15