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13:50:59 <shadi> zakim, this will be ERT
13:50:59 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
13:51:04 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:51:09 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:51:46 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0028.html
13:52:40 <shadi> agenda+ New resources for review
13:52:52 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema comments
13:53:05 <shadi> agenda+ HTTP Vocabulary in RDF comments
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13:59:51 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
13:59:54 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:01:16 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:01:34 <CarlosI> CarlosI has joined #er
14:01:48 <JohannesK> zakim, klaus is really Johannes
14:01:48 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
14:02:25 <Reinhard> Reinhard has joined #er
14:03:30 <Zakim> +abel
14:03:41 <shadi> zakim, abel is really CarlosI
14:03:54 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
14:04:32 <Zakim> + +43.70.aaaa
14:04:56 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is really Reinhard
14:05:06 <Zakim> +Reinhard; got it
14:05:30 <shadi> scribe: CarlosI
14:05:44 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
14:05:58 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:05:59 <Zakim> agendum 1. "New resources for review" taken up [from shadi]
14:06:16 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0023
14:06:24 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0025
14:06:33 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0026^
14:07:06 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0020
14:08:04 <CarlosI> SAZ: several staff moving around we should look at
14:09:29 <CarlosI> SAZ: mobileOK, mainly two thinks to review: potential accessibility issues and compatibility with EARL
14:10:41 <CarlosI> JK: 2.3.3 could be a test itself
14:13:15 <CarlosI> ACTION: everybody to review by next week and send possible ERT WG relevant issues to the list
14:14:26 <CarlosI> SAZ: POWDER use cases and requirementes directly published as a note
14:14:44 <CarlosI> SAZ: overlap with our work
14:16:05 <CarlosI> ACTION: everybody to review the POWDER note and comment any thought with the rest of the group
14:17:17 <CarlosI> RR: any background on POWDER
14:17:24 <CarlosI> ?
14:18:41 <CarlosI> SAZ: basically metadata to label resources from different perspectives: offensive content, mobile friendly, accesible, etc.
14:20:36 <CarlosI> SAZ: several groups would like to use FOAF
14:20:48 <CarlosI> SAZ: doubts about persistence
14:21:28 <CarlosI> SAZ: it looks like FOAF guys are now moving in the direction we need
14:22:05 <CarlosI> SAZ: need to be sure about FOAF before CR
14:23:21 <CarlosI> ACTION: everybody to look at FOAF and see in what direction are they moving
14:25:07 <CarlosI> ACTION: start to look at the EARL guide and help synchronize with the schema
14:26:24 <CarlosI> SAZ: contributions to any section are welcome
14:26:43 <CarlosI> RR: could write drafts of some of them
14:27:04 <CarlosI> SAZ: be sure to coordinate with CV
14:28:16 <CarlosI> SAZ: also a new WCAG2 WD online we should review at some point
14:28:19 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:28:19 <Zakim> agendum 2. "EARL 1.0 Schema comments" taken up [from shadi]
14:28:42 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues
14:29:25 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0027
14:33:27 <CarlosI> SAZ: proposal to allow extensibility of outcome values
14:37:26 <CarlosI> CI: several concerns about allowing "free" extensibility
14:38:08 <CarlosI> [discussion]
14:38:34 <CarlosI> SAZ: better to continue the discussion on the list
14:38:55 <CarlosI> RR: agree with CI
14:39:32 <CarlosI> JK: need to talk about it
14:40:10 <CarlosI> SAZ: move to #12
14:41:14 <CarlosI> SAZ: proposal to accept the comment
14:41:43 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: proposal accepted
14:42:21 <CarlosI> SAZ: move to #13
14:42:47 <CarlosI> SAZ: proposal to accept the issue and revise all the terms
14:43:09 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: proposal accepted
14:43:36 <CarlosI> SAZ: now #14
14:43:57 <CarlosI> SAZ: also editorial, proposal to accept it
14:44:10 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: proposal accepted
14:44:20 <CarlosI> SAZ: #21
14:45:01 <CarlosI> SAZ: outside of the scope
14:45:21 <CarlosI> SAZ: maybe later in the WG
14:46:00 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: reject the proposal
14:46:27 <CarlosI> SAZ: is something that will probably be done anyway but outside of EARL scope
14:46:40 <CarlosI> SAZ: #22
14:47:26 <CarlosI> SAZ: again out of scope, more related with test descriptions and "evidences"
14:47:34 <CarlosI> SAZ: proposal to reject
14:48:06 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: reject the proposal
14:48:56 <CarlosI> SAZ: #29
14:49:20 <CarlosI> SAZ: several efforts before but need to clarify more
14:49:42 <CarlosI> SAZ: proposal to accept the suggestion
14:49:53 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: proposal accepted
14:50:13 <CarlosI> SAZ: #9
14:50:28 <shadi> s/#9/#7
14:51:15 <CarlosI> SAZ: an interesting one, something to look at in next telecons
14:51:45 <CarlosI> SAZ: JK's turn
14:51:46 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:51:46 <Zakim> agendum 3. "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF comments" taken up [from shadi]
14:52:08 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0019.html
14:52:21 <CarlosI> JK: topic: timestamps in request and response
14:54:03 <CarlosI> JK: discussed before about the proper properties, about it's something that should be at HTTP in RDF and about what time to choose (client, server, any proxy...)
14:56:39 <CarlosI> CI: timestamps are nowhere in the HTTP specification
14:57:12 <CarlosI> CI: even if they are useful, they are not part of HTTP
14:57:47 <CarlosI> SAZ: we are already recording things outside the HTTP specification, e.g. Connection class
14:58:12 <CarlosI> SAZ: the question is if it's important enough
14:59:26 <CarlosI> SAZ: the simpler approach is a dc:date when the request is initiated
15:00:13 <CarlosI> SAZ: use case, the crawler and the evaluation are sepparated process
15:00:42 <CarlosI> SAZ: several WCAG 2 test are "time-dependant"
15:01:34 <CarlosI> JK: maybe have a look at what properties could be feasible and make a recommendation
15:01:54 <CarlosI> RR: dc:date is the most obvious one
15:05:59 <CarlosI> ACTION: JK to make an specific proposal on timestamping
15:06:27 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007May/0024.html
15:06:41 <CarlosI> SAZ: have a look at the open threads on the list
15:07:59 <CarlosI> RR: background?
15:08:05 <CarlosI> JK: we got some comments on the last drafts about complexity of the structure
15:08:18 <Zakim> -Johannes
15:08:19 <Zakim> -Reinhard
15:08:20 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:08:32 <Zakim> -CarlosI
15:08:33 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
15:08:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Johannes, CarlosI, +43.70.aaaa, Reinhard
15:49:09 <shadi> zakim, bye
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15:49:18 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:49:22 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:49:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-minutes.html shadi
15:49:25 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:49:29 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
15:49:29 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-actions.rdf :
15:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everybody to review by next week and send possible ERT WG relevant issues to the list [1]
15:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-irc#T14-13-15
15:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everybody to review the POWDER note and comment any thought with the rest of the group [2]
15:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-irc#T14-16-05
15:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everybody to look at FOAF and see in what direction are they moving [3]
15:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-irc#T14-23-21
15:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: start to look at the EARL guide and help synchronize with the schema [4]
15:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-irc#T14-25-07
15:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JK to make an specific proposal on timestamping [5]
15:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-er-irc#T15-05-59