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13:42:27 <ivan> zakim, this will be sweo
13:42:27 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()10:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
13:42:40 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
13:42:56 <ivan> Meeting: SWEO IG weekly telco
13:43:08 <ivan> Chair: Susie
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13:51:03 <ivan> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007May/0022.html Agenda
13:51:54 <ivan> Regrets: Paula, Dunja
13:55:37 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started
13:55:44 <Zakim> +??P6
13:57:36 <Zakim> + +44.190.827.aaaa
13:58:01 <martind> zakim, +44 is me
13:58:02 <Zakim> +martind; got it
13:58:20 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-617
13:58:20 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
13:58:21 <Zakim> +Ivan
13:58:22 <Zakim> +??P9
13:58:37 <ivan> zakim, P9 is Kingsley
13:58:37 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'
13:58:43 <ivan> zakim, ??P9 is Kingsley
13:58:43 <Zakim> +Kingsley; got it
13:58:52 <Zakim> + +1.317.435.aabb
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13:59:50 <Zakim> +Jeff_Schiffel
14:00:24 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
14:00:37 <wing> IBMCambridge is wing
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14:00:45 <wing> zakim, IBMCambridge is wing
14:00:45 <Zakim> +wing; got it
14:00:45 <danja_> aha!
14:01:12 <danja_> susie: agenda - 
14:01:16 <danja_> review of conf
14:01:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:01:20 <kjetilk> Zakim, IPcaller is me
14:01:20 <Zakim> +kjetilk; got it
14:01:37 <Zakim> +??P15
14:02:01 <ivan> zakim, ??P15 is benjamin
14:02:01 <Zakim> +benjamin; got it
14:02:41 <danja_> susie: start with community projects
14:03:02 <danja_> kjetilk: friend chris hacked up trust module
14:03:42 <danja_> kidehen: open linking data at www2007 with timbl & co
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14:04:04 <leobard> hi
14:04:09 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc
14:04:10 <danja_> kidehen: take away, linked data creating fooundation for broader ?..
14:04:40 <danja_> kidehen: size of audience, message out going out across realms
14:04:49 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Melli
14:04:49 <Zakim> +Melli; got it
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14:05:23 <Zakim> +??P17
14:05:34 <LeeF> LeeF has joined #sweo
14:05:35 <ivan> zakim, ??P17 is Leo
14:05:35 <Zakim> +Leo; got it
14:05:37 <leobard> leo just got in
14:06:55 <danja_> can someone else please scribe? 
14:09:06 <kjetilk> Zakim who is talking?
14:09:56 <Zakim> +??P18
14:09:58 <danja_> ivan has put up another page 
14:10:04 <danja_> on wiki
14:10:08 <kidehen> danja: continues comments re. the gravitation pull of the Linked Data Project during WWW2007 e.g the YAGO project which is now part of the effort
14:10:10 <ivan> zakim, ??P18 is Uldis
14:10:10 <Zakim> +Uldis; got it
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14:10:24 <ivan> scribenick: kidehen
14:10:59 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/CommunityProjects.html community projects page 
14:11:10 <kjetilk> q+ to say that POWDER is pushing out first public WD
14:11:15 <kidehen> TimBL, Chris, and Kingsley committed to producing Tutorial and demo material re. Linked Data
14:11:51 <kidehen> Susie seeks update from Bengee re. Knowee
14:12:14 <LeeF> ack kjetilk
14:12:14 <Zakim> kjetilk, you wanted to say that POWDER is pushing out first public WD
14:12:18 <kidehen> Bengee indicates project is in progress, infrastructure is now in place
14:13:07 <kidehen> kjetilk indicates the POWDER use cases are in progress
14:13:12 <Zakim> -kjetilk
14:13:31 <kidehen> Susie indicates community projects are progressing nicely
14:13:47 <kidehen> Susie commences WWW2007 update
14:13:47 <LeeF> Semantic Web was second-most submitted topic at www07 (second to search)
14:14:41 <kidehen> Susie indicates workshop and demo sessions on the HCLS tracks where well attended. 
14:15:10 <danja_> about 1/3 of the dev track submissions were semweb
14:15:59 <kidehen> Talks about neurocommons demo herself and Alan Ruttenberg: 
14:16:01 <kidehen> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo
14:16:05 <LeeF> +1
14:16:31 <kidehen> Ivan emphasis the impact of the HCLS session and its impact
14:16:35 <leobard> I know giovanni
14:17:00 <martind> +100  :-)
14:17:12 <leobard> scribe: giovanni just said "thank you" to the work presented at www
14:17:24 <kidehen> Giovanni exemplified impact of demo with his comments: Thank You !
14:17:56 <kidehen> Susie indicates that progress continues
14:18:40 <kidehen> Susie observed that scalability of tools are on the rise e.g. Steve Harris of Garlik talked about his Triple Store and the 1 Billion mark
14:18:51 <LeeF> s/1 Billion/15 Billion
14:19:45 <kidehen> Scalability is becoming less of an issue
14:19:52 <LeeF> Exhibit!
14:19:56 <LeeF> (and friends)
14:20:04 <kidehen> danja: comments on the Grandma element of the Linked Data tools and Semantic Web clients
14:20:42 <kidehen> LeeF: comments on the meshing of SIMILE effort with some of the more data oriented projects
14:21:46 <kidehen> Susie: observed that people tried to determine if they where on the formal and mapped data generation or linking and mapping data side of the fence re. RDF instance Data
14:23:17 <kidehen> Ivan: comments on Potluck and the impact of David's demo.
14:23:22 <_uldis> re. scalability - agree it becomes less of an issue. my colleague Andreas recently demoed a triple store w. 7 billion triples and fast querying.
14:24:26 <danja_> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:24:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P6, martind, Kingsley, Ivan, +1.317.435.aabb, Jeff_Schiffel, wing, benjamin, Melli, Leo, Uldis
14:24:28 <Zakim> wing has wing, LeeF
14:26:11 <kidehen> Susie concludes that WWW2007 was very successful etc..
14:26:39 <LeeF> dfhuynh also indicated that they're working to incorporate Exhibit UI-type stuff into Longwell as an answer to working with large amounts of data
14:26:47 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Susie
14:26:47 <Zakim> +Susie; got it
14:27:27 <danja_> zakim, ??P6 is danja_
14:27:27 <Zakim> +danja_; got it
14:28:30 <leobard> kingsley: put the link here: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/HowtoPublish
14:31:23 <leobard> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/ClassificationOntology
14:33:34 <leobard> ivan: if we open the logo discussion, it takes endlessly
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14:34:18 <leobard> whats wrong with these logos?
14:34:19 <leobard> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Misc/LogoIdeas
14:34:32 <leobard> did I miss smthg
14:35:10 <leobard> q+ to ask bengee more on portalplans
14:35:17 <ivan> leo, there was a discussion+decision to make semantic web logos in general rather than only SWEO ones
14:35:30 <LeeF> leobard, I believe they're talking about general semantic web logos (and specific for other projects, such as GRDDL, SPARQL, etc.)
14:35:41 <leobard> thx, i missed that
14:36:27 <kidehen> Susie: talks about logo options: wait for Bengee or open up to general logo competition like GRDDL effort
14:36:29 <danja_> doorbell, brb
14:36:48 <kidehen> Ivan indicates he likes Bengee's work but emphasizes this is a personal opinion
14:36:50 <bengee> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Logos/SemWebLogoIdeas
14:39:00 <leobard> bengee says that the logos have simple basic shapes that can be reused for many logos there
14:42:35 <leobard> @bengee: btw, do you know the cool how-to-design-a-logo-of-letters by ba`? http://www.bamagazine.com/7ecHEsLand.asp
14:43:21 <kidehen> Ivan and Susie provide Bengee with some insights re. logo aesthetics
14:45:19 <kidehen> danja: please pick up scribing, I am having a major allergy driven sniffles session :-(
14:45:36 <leobard> I can scribe..
14:45:49 <leobard> Ivan says he was at a lokhead martin meeting showing semweb
14:46:08 <leobard> ivan says the use cases were interesting for these people. 
14:46:13 <kidehen> tnx
14:46:29 <mannamal> Ivan, I will likely have a use case from a telecom company - we just heard of someone successfully running a live project using databases and RDF. I am going to ask them to provide a use case.  They clearly say that SW helped them save time and money :-)
14:46:36 <leobard> ivan says this is a good sign for the use cases. we have two that should be reviewed
14:46:42 <mannamal> mannamal is Melli by the way.
14:46:57 <leobard> susie says she received the one by the chinese medicine portal
14:47:05 <leobard> susie says she did not get the one from renault
14:47:26 <leobard> possible action items seem to get the use case from renault
14:47:47 <leobard> ivan says susie found another possible use case from pfitzer
14:48:17 <bengee> leobard, that logo-of-letters pdf is great, thx
14:48:23 <leobard> ivan says that in Banff he talked to daniel ... from vodafone and he would defintly want to do a usecase for us
14:48:35 <leobard> bengee: that *rocks* I love it
14:48:47 <leobard> ivan says there is one from IBM on a customer in china
14:49:18 <leobard> ivan says the guy who we met in oslo / works in spain, city of saragossa, they agreed to send him a use case
14:49:47 <ivan> s/saragossa/zaragoza/
14:50:17 <danja_> Daniel Appelquist, vodaphone
14:50:19 <leobard> who was talking before susie? didn'T get the name....
14:50:48 <leobard> question about Pfitzer contact, is it a UK contact or US?
14:50:59 <leobard> its the same person in both us & uk
14:51:56 <leobard> ivan says there is one more from sun.
14:52:43 <leobard> susie and ivan say that having the selection is enourmously useful
14:53:05 <leobard> ivan asks kingsley: your customers, can we get use cases there?
14:53:12 <leobard> kingsley says he will try. 
14:53:51 <leobard> susie brings up the topic that we evaluated upcoming conferences where to go and evangelize
14:54:04 <leobard> for this year, susie has took off the meetings that already happened.
14:54:19 <leobard> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences
14:54:33 <leobard> susie says for next year, we would need more meetings
14:54:56 <LeeF> Susie, did you put the info into an Exhibit? :-)
14:55:16 <leobard> susie created categories for meetings, like life sciences, general technology, .... with the goal to "infiltrate" the meetings.
14:55:36 <leobard> the database and data conferences could be interesteing
14:55:51 <leobard> call for participation from SWEOs: please add more meetings to the list
14:56:12 <mannamal> Susie, several of us will be at SemTech07 next week, and it looks as though there are several use cases being presented there.  I am sure you will be introducing them all to SWEO, and those of us who are there could help do that.
14:56:40 <leobard> ACTION: people to add conferences to the wiki page http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences
14:57:22 <leobard> susie asks if we can do the next f2f at cambridge
14:58:10 <leobard> ivan says that this is timed close to ISWC, causing jetlag
14:58:24 <leobard> susie asks if anybody on the phone is in the cambridge meeting
14:58:42 <leobard> danny asks if there is anybody going to the swig meeting
14:59:59 <leobard> susie: we should start thinking about other options for a f2f 
15:00:15 <leobard> susie: another workshop about semweb and databases in cambridge in october?
15:00:36 <mannamal> I need to leave now.  A f2f in Cambridge of course works nicely for me.
15:00:38 <danja_> positive side - the year is getting saturated with SW conferences ;-)
15:00:39 <leobard> reminder @ all: we are at the end of the hour
15:00:41 <Zakim> -Melli
15:02:05 <leobard> susie asks if there are more agenda items, there are not.
15:02:13 <Zakim> -wing
15:02:18 <Zakim> -martind
15:02:21 <Zakim> -Kingsley
15:02:23 <Zakim> -Jeff_Schiffel
15:02:23 <Zakim> -Susie
15:02:25 <Zakim> -benjamin
15:02:26 <Zakim> -Uldis
15:02:28 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:02:31 <Zakim> -danja_
15:02:33 <Zakim> -Leo
15:02:34 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
15:02:35 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.190.827.aaaa, martind, Ivan, Kingsley, +1.317.435.aabb, Jeff_Schiffel, kjetilk, benjamin, +1.603.897.aacc, Melli, Leo, wing, LeeF, Uldis, Susie, danja_
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15:03:42 <leobard> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:03:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/16-SWEO-minutes.html leobard
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15:03:55 <leobard> RRSAgent, make logs
15:03:55 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs', leobard.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:04:05 <leobard> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
15:04:42 <leobard> scribe: leobard
15:04:58 <leobard> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:04:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/16-SWEO-minutes.html leobard
15:05:27 <leobard> RRSAgent, help
15:07:09 <leobard> Scribe: leobard
15:08:08 <leobard> RRSAgent, please make minutes
15:08:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/16-SWEO-minutes.html leobard
15:08:34 <leobard> ok, so the scribe is a funny message, so be it :-)
15:08:36 <leobard> cya
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