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18:03:15 <JR> JA: Nothing to report on emails to new members
18:03:26 <JR> Topic: Restructure current guidelines and provisions to fit new model
18:03:51 <JR> JR: Did a first pass: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007AprJun/0017.html
18:04:32 <JR> JA: Al's conversation...
18:05:34 <AllanJ> discussion of 'perceivable'. AG thinks should use 'recognizable'
18:06:13 <AllanJ> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007AprJun/0024.html
18:06:51 <AllanJ> cl: is WCAG changing?
18:07:09 <AllanJ> jr: not that we are aware of.
18:07:37 <AllanJ> JR: we should not just parrot WCAG, and look at things with a fresh eye.
18:08:32 <AllanJ> JR: any other issuers with operable, perceivable, understandable, AT friendly?
18:09:18 <JR> CL: Who decides on styles
18:10:27 <AllanJ> jr: what is worst case scenario...website with 1 pixel divs, content drawing content on screen, UA has no control of accessibility of content
18:11:00 <AllanJ> jr: UA has limited resources, especially with AJAX type controls
18:11:39 <AllanJ> cl: UA have different rendering engines
18:12:29 <JR> CL: The different renderings on different UAs is proof of a UA role
18:12:52 <JR> JR: Is Pereceivale UI understood to mean all of the UA
18:12:56 <JR> KF: Maybe not
18:13:08 <JR> PP: We canhave our own defns
18:13:20 <JR> KF<CL: Yes but should keep consistency
18:14:31 <AllanJ> JR: WCAG dictionary is used by ATAG, but on occasion have differences
18:15:00 <JR> JR: atag doesn't use wcag dictionmary...
18:15:08 <JR> but try to keep coordinated defns
18:15:36 <JR> KF: Recommend bringing this up at coord meeting
18:15:53 <JR> JA, JR: OK
18:16:17 <JR> Action JA: Send email to CG list about coordinating "perceivable" etc.
18:17:06 <JR> JA: Thinks its something we need to review.
18:17:28 <JR> JA: Al also refers back to essential components doc - which is also good to review
18:18:16 <JR> JA: Similar to to JTC work - where we want to make sure user needs are addressed in uaag
18:18:58 <JR> Topic: 2. Review ISO/IEC JTC 1 Special Working Group on Accessibility (SWG-A) "User
18:18:58 <JR> Needs Summary (UNS)"
18:19:19 <JR> JA: Anyone have a chance to look at this?
18:19:25 <JR> All: nope.
18:19:48 <JR> JA: Pretty big chunk of information
18:21:02 <JR> JA: 16 diff categories
18:21:51 <JR> JA: Maybe each of us take 3 categories...for next time
18:22:50 <JR> CL: 1-3
18:22:55 <JR> JR: 4-6
18:23:01 <JR> JA: 7-9
18:23:18 <JR> KF: 10-12
18:23:25 <JR> PP: 13-15
18:23:31 <JR> JR: 16
18:24:17 <JR> JA: Review - are these properly done + are we missing anything (we should have a checkpoint for)
18:25:52 <JR> Action All: Group members to review assigned sections of the User Needs Mapping document
18:27:17 <AllanJ> ALL: discussion of JTC
18:27:25 <AllanJ> http://www.jtc1access.org/documents/swga_212.zip
18:27:56 <JR> JA: The new version has a cover letter...
18:28:30 <JR> JA: Purpose is to help out the JTC to make sure the mapping is ok, but it also helps us to review the needs to see if we are missing anything.
18:30:13 <JR> JA: Since jR already did prelim mapping we should all review that
18:30:36 <JR> Topic: back to Restructure current guidelines and provisions to fit new model
18:31:01 <JR> JA: But concerned about overloading...
18:31:27 <JR> JA: Let's split...do the JTC mapping for May 17 and then for May 24, look at JR's mapping...
18:33:23 <AllanJ> JR: JTC is a gap analysis
18:33:38 <JR> JR: I can do a better chart
18:34:46 <JR> CL: Ok to leave way it is but add titles
18:35:32 <JR> Topic: Appollo
18:35:47 <JR> JA: New Adobe user agent...
18:36:24 <JR> JA: Apparently its pretty interesting...does anyone know about it?
18:36:42 <JR> CL: Think they are implementing IA2 on it
18:37:11 <JR> JA: sounds like its a browser replacment
18:37:26 <JR> CL: They say it allows flash to jump beyond the browser
18:37:52 <cklaws> http://news.com.com/Flash+to+jump+beyond+the+browser/2100-1007_3-6071005.html
18:38:00 <JR> KF: Do a web search there's lots out there
18:38:44 <KFord> I believe this is a good URL http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo
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18:43:26 <Zakim> Attendees were JR, KFord, Allanj, parente, cklaws
18:48:46 <JR> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:48:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/10-ua-minutes.html JR
18:49:40 <JR> RRSAgent, set logs public
18:49:47 <JR> Zakim, bye
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18:49:53 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/10-ua-actions.rdf :
18:49:53 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JA to Send email to CG list about coordinating "perceivable" etc. [1]
18:49:53 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/10-ua-irc#T18-16-17
18:49:53 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All to Group members to review assigned sections of the User Needs Mapping document [2]
18:49:53 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/10-ua-irc#T18-25-52