IRC log of rdfa on 2007-04-23

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-irc

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12:58:47 [Steven]

zakim, this will be rdfa

12:58:47 [Zakim]

ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

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rrsagent, make log public

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SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has now started

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+Ben_Adida

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13:00:12 [Steven]

zakim, dial steven-617

13:00:12 [Zakim]

ok, Steven; the call is being made

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+Steven

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+[IBMCambridge]

13:00:32 [wing]

zakim, IBMCambridge is wing

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+wing; got it

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+ +043316876aaaa

13:01:04 [mhausenblas]

zakim, aaaa is me

13:01:04 [Zakim]

+mhausenblas; got it

13:01:56 [mhausenblas]

zakim, who is here?

13:01:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ben_Adida, Steven, wing, mhausenblas

13:01:57 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Simone, markbirbeck, wing, benadida, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, FabienG, ShaneM

13:02:07 [Zakim]

+??P4

13:02:19 [ShaneM]

zakim, ??p4 is ShaneM

13:02:19 [Zakim]

+ShaneM; got it

13:03:47 [benadida]

zakim, pick a victim

13:03:47 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ben_Adida

13:03:56 [benadida]

zakim, pick a victim

13:03:56 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ShaneM

13:03:58 [Simone]

Zakim, passcode

13:03:58 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'passcode', Simone

13:04:05 [Steven]

Scribe Steven

13:04:09 [Steven]

Scribe: Steven

13:04:10 [Simone]

Zakim, code please?

13:04:10 [Zakim]

the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Simone

13:04:25 [Steven]

Meeting: RDFa Weekly Teleconference

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Chair: Ben

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Apr/0135

13:05:03 [Zakim]

+??P6

13:05:10 [Steven]

Topic: Actions

13:05:16 [Simone]

Zakim, P6 is me

13:05:16 [Zakim]

sorry, Simone, I do not recognize a party named 'P6'

13:05:25 [Simone]

Zakim, ??P6 is me

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+Simone; got it

13:05:31 [Steven]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to ask W3C about XML-DTD validation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action19]

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-- Ongoing

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+Mark_Birbeck

13:06:38 [Steven]

Ben: My action is "why doesn't W3C Validator accept xmlns?"

13:06:47 [mhausenblas]

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0001.xhtml

13:06:55 [mhausenblas]

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0001.xhtml

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mh: The test case above validates

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... at W3C

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+FabienG

13:08:00 [Steven]

Ben: I think this will scare people away using the internal subset

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mh: It is just to get it to validate

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Ben: I am very worried doing it this way

13:08:49 [markbirbeck]

q+

13:09:13 [Steven]

q+

13:09:22 [Steven]

Mark: Let's table this for another week

13:09:43 [Steven]

... I chatted with Shane, who had chatted with Steven, and I think there is a solution emrging

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s/emr/emer/

13:10:01 [Steven]

... let's put it properly add it to the agenda

13:10:21 [Steven]

Ben: I'll put it on the agenda in 2 weeks

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... when I am back from my move

13:11:06 [Steven]

Steven: I saw that this had been added as a bug on the validator bug system

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Topic: Test cases

13:11:25 [mhausenblas]

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/

13:11:45 [Steven]

mh: Look at the test suite, you'll see the partitioning has been done

13:11:56 [Steven]

... there is a question of the correct format for XHTML 1.1

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... extension, namespaces etc.

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... we need to decide that

13:12:41 [Steven]

Ben: Once you have an answer, it will be straight-forward to go with it

13:12:46 [Steven]

mh: Yes

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Ben: I must check the bookmarklet on the latest test cases

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... next week

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... you got feedback from Fabien?

13:14:24 [Steven]

mh: Yes

13:15:37 [Steven]

Ben: Can you proceed?

13:15:49 [Steven]

mh: We can do the core set

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q+

13:16:17 [Steven]

ack mark

13:17:30 [benadida]

Steven: W3C urls are supposed to be opaque

13:17:34 [benadida]

... no extension

13:17:39 [benadida]

... extension and mime type are orthogonal

13:17:55 [benadida]

... if we name it .html but override mime type with .htaccess, it will work in IE

13:19:00 [benadida]

PROPOSE: that we prepare the XHTML1.1 TCs by ignoring the xmlns validation issues for now

13:19:07 [mhausenblas]

+1

13:20:31 [Steven]

Simone: Other markup languages have similar problems to us

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... the validator will fix it

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... I think this is a correct approach

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+Elias_Torres

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q-

13:22:25 [EliasT]

Zakim, mute me

13:22:25 [Zakim]

Elias_Torres should now be muted

13:22:32 [EliasT]

Zakim, Elias_Torres is me

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+EliasT; got it

13:23:21 [benadida]

RESOLVED: that we prepare the XHTML1.1 TCs by ignoring the xmlns validation issues for now

13:23:25 [Steven]

Ben: Any opposition or abstention?

13:23:28 [Simone]

+1

13:23:28 [Steven]

[none]

13:23:41 [Steven]

RESOLVED: that we prepare the XHTML1.1 TCs by ignoring the xmlns validation issues for now

13:24:09 [Steven]

PROPOSAL: use the suffic .html on the files and serve as application/xhtml+xml

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s/suffic/suffix/

13:24:37 [Steven]

Ben: Is this the right thing to do?

13:24:48 [ShaneM]

There is no W3C blessed file suffix.

13:26:06 [Zakim]

-FabienG

13:27:06 [mhausenblas]

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0001 test input without suffix

13:27:42 [Steven]

That is being served as text/plain

13:27:56 [Steven]

Shane: using a suffix of .html is fine as I am concerned

13:28:43 [Zakim]

+FabienG

13:28:53 [Steven]

Mark: Why isn't content negotiation the right thing?

13:29:18 [Steven]

Steven: Because this solution ius better - it is being served to IE as application/xhtml+xml, and working

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s/ius/is/

13:29:49 [Steven]

Ben: Let's treat this as a separate agenda item

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... and discuss on the mailing list

13:30:32 [Steven]

Ben: I have to leave in 8 mins

13:30:44 [Steven]

... most actions are mine

13:31:05 [Steven]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to discuss Primer and Use Cases as Note, Syntax and Test Cases as REC, at SWD WG meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]

13:31:39 [Steven]

Ben: Ralph thinks that the primer needs to be rec track

13:31:41 [Steven]

-- Done

13:31:53 [Steven]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to discuss RDFa Overview as a note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

13:31:55 [Steven]

-- DOne

13:32:03 [Steven]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to email list about next week's vote on a resolution regarding CLASS and ROLE attributes and rdf:type. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action18]

13:32:07 [Steven]

-- Done

13:32:17 [Steven]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to email the resolution on mime type to the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action20]

13:32:19 [Steven]

-- Done

13:32:32 [Steven]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to flesh out the schedule and present for everyone's approval next week. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]

13:32:39 [Steven]

-- Continues

13:32:46 [Steven]

NEW] ACTION: Ben to hand over rdfa syntax baton to Steven on 4/23 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]

13:32:49 [Steven]

-- Done

13:32:57 [Steven]

[NEW] ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

13:33:00 [Steven]

-- Continues

13:33:12 [Steven]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01]

13:33:15 [Steven]

-- Continues

13:33:20 [EliasT]

:-)

13:33:30 [Steven]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

13:33:32 [Steven]

-- Done

13:33:36 [EliasT]

Zakim, please unmute me

13:33:36 [Zakim]

EliasT should no longer be muted

13:33:47 [Steven]

s/Done/Continues/

13:33:49 [Steven]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0001.html to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]

13:33:54 [Steven]

-- Continues

13:34:04 [Steven]

[PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]

13:34:08 [Steven]

-- Continues

13:34:18 [Steven]

[PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]

13:34:23 [Steven]

-- Continues

13:34:32 [Steven]

[PENDING] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]

13:34:34 [Steven]

-- COntinues

13:34:40 [Steven]

s/CO/Co/

13:34:48 [Steven]

[PENDING] ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

13:34:51 [Steven]

-- Continues

13:35:01 [Steven]

[PENDING] ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

13:35:04 [EliasT]

Zakim, mute me

13:35:05 [Zakim]

EliasT should now be muted

13:35:05 [Steven]

-- Continues

13:35:20 [Steven]

Topic: src attribute

13:35:37 [Steven]

Ben: SHane, what is your opinion?

13:35:48 [Steven]

... or are you looking for advice?

13:36:00 [Steven]

S/SH/

13:36:17 [Steven]

s/ ane/ Shane/

13:36:34 [Zakim]

-mhausenblas

13:36:41 [Steven]

Shane: Well, looking for group opinion

13:36:54 [Steven]

Ben: One approach is to treat it like href

13:36:57 [Steven]

q+

13:37:17 [Steven]

Mark: The element name already gives some clue

13:37:29 [Steven]

... so it is different from href

13:38:03 [Steven]

... I have another proposal that I haven't yet written up about @cvlass being a predicate

13:38:11 [Steven]

s/cvl/cl/

13:38:34 [Steven]

Ben: The element type doesn't really work for me

13:39:01 [Steven]

Mark: The predicate may end up in the wrong place

13:39:14 [Steven]

... (working this out on the fly)

13:39:32 [Steven]

... if you want foaf:depiction

13:40:00 [EliasT]

example please?

13:40:01 [Steven]

Ben: I can see how you would use @class for a type on the image, and rel for the relationship with the document

13:40:11 [Steven]

q+

13:40:34 [Steven]

Ben: Can you write this up this week?

13:40:36 [Steven]

Mark: Yes

13:40:44 [benadida]

ACTION: Mark to write up a consistent story on the @SRC attribute

13:41:13 [Steven]

Steven: XHTML2 has src and href on the same element in some cases

13:41:19 [Steven]

... so we have to watch out

13:41:46 [Steven]

Mark: Still we want to be able to use the src as a source of a URI

13:41:56 [Steven]

Ben: I have to go

13:42:12 [Steven]

... you can discuss src and role if you want

13:42:18 [benadida]

ACTION: Ben to schedule new telecon time starting May 7

13:42:30 [FabienG]

zakim, who is here?

13:42:30 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ben_Adida, Steven, wing, ShaneM, Simone, Mark_Birbeck, EliasT (muted), FabienG

13:42:32 [Steven]

... and will schedule a new teleconference time

13:42:33 [Zakim]

On IRC I see EliasT, Simone, markbirbeck, wing, benadida, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, FabienG, ShaneM

13:42:36 [Steven]

q-

13:43:09 [Zakim]

-ShaneM

13:43:15 [Steven]

Steven: I propose we do the rest of the discussion on email, so you Ben can be involved

13:43:21 [Steven]

Ben: OK, in that case, adjourn

13:43:29 [Zakim]

-Mark_Birbeck

13:43:29 [Zakim]

-Steven

13:43:30 [Zakim]

-FabienG

13:43:30 [Zakim]

-Ben_Adida

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-wing

13:43:33 [Zakim]

-EliasT

13:43:42 [Zakim]

-Simone

13:43:44 [Zakim]

SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has ended

13:43:45 [Zakim]

Attendees were Ben_Adida, Steven, wing, +043316876aaaa, mhausenblas, ShaneM, Simone, Mark_Birbeck, FabienG, EliasT

13:43:50 [Steven]

rrsagent, make minutes

13:43:50 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

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13:50:40 [Steven]

Michael, the syntax for a URI in the irc channel is:

13:50:47 [Steven]

-> uri text text text

13:51:00 [Steven]

otherwise it vanishes in the minutes

13:51:06 [Steven]

damn

13:51:09 [Steven]

he's gone

14:03:23 [Steven]

rrsagent, bye

14:03:23 [RRSAgent]

I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-actions.rdf :

14:03:23 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Mark to write up a consistent story on the @SRC attribute [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-irc#T13-40-44

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ACTION: Ben to schedule new telecon time starting May 7 [2]

14:03:23 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-irc#T13-42-18