IRC log of xmlsec on 2007-04-17

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Meeting: XML Sec Weekly

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thanks Thomas

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Chair: fjh

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Scribe. tlr

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Scribe: tlr

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Apr/0001.html

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Topic: Welcome

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+ +30281039aaaa

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zakim, call thomas-781

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ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas

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zakim, aaaa is giles

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+giles; got it

13:59:39 [fjh]

zakim, who is on the call

13:59:39 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the call', fjh

13:59:47 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the call?

13:59:47 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, giles, Thomas

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+ +1.443.695.aabb

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zakim, aabb rdm

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I don't understand 'aabb rdm', tlr

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zakim, aabb is rdm

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+rdm; got it

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+ +1.781.442.aacc

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zakim, aacc is ShawnMullen

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+ShawnMullen; got it

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+ +1.613.447.aadd

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dialing in

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zakim, aadd is EdSimon

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+ +1.650.380.aaee

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+Hal

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+EdSimon; got it

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zakim, aaee GregWhitehead

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zakim, aaee is GregWhitehead

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I don't understand 'aaee GregWhitehead', tlr

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+GregWhitehead; got it

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zakim, who is on the call?

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On the phone I see rdm, ShawnMullen, EdSimon, GregWhitehead, Hal, Frederick_Hirsch, giles, Thomas

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, IPcaller is JuanCarlosCruellas

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+JuanCarlosCruellas; got it

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+Anthony_Nadalin

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can you read me?

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hi juan carlos

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+??P32

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test

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zakim, P32 is klanz2

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sorry, tlr, I do not recognize a party named 'P32'

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zakim, ??P32 is klanz2

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+klanz2; got it

14:05:55 [hal]

for some reason initially this channel was not listed

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zakim, mute me

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klanz2 should now be muted

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test

14:06:56 [tlr]

fjh: thanks for joinig, I'm Frederick, ...

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... thomas will scribe today, thanks ...

14:07:25 [tlr]

... maybe do a quick round of introductions here ...

14:07:28 [tlr]

zakim, who is here?

14:07:28 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rdm, ShawnMullen, EdSimon, GregWhitehead, Hal, JuanCarlosCruellas, Anthony_Nadalin, klanz2 (muted), Frederick_Hirsch, giles, Thomas

14:07:30 [Zakim]

On IRC I see jcc, Giles, hal, Nadalin, grw, sean, klanz2, RRSAgent, Zakim, rdm, fjh, rdmiller89, tlr, trackbot-ng

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rdm: Rob Miller, Security Engineer, MITRE, XML wrt architectural issues

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... having fun with NSA and cross-domain solutions ...

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... would be happy to talk about that at f2f ...

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shawn: Shawn Mullen, Sun Microsystems, working on XML Sig for past few years, implementor

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... have implementation shipping as part of JDK, committer for Apache ...

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EdSimon: Ed Simon, working with xmlsec which is private consulting firm ...

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... co-author of xml signature and xml encryption specs ...

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... keen to hear how people use it, what the issues are ...

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... Invited Expert ...

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grw: Greg Whitehead, HP, architect in IDM software group, one of original specs' authors ...

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... shed light on carzy things that were thought back then ...

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hal: standards full-time for BEA, mostly security standards ...

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... involved with a bunch of standards that use XML Sig and Enc ...

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... you name it ...

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... main interest in follow-on work ...

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... spurious validation errors associated with DSig ...

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... maybe also tweak encryption ..

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JuanCarlosCruellas: Polytech Univ Catalunia ...

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... standardization involvement for a while ...

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... worked on XADES development around ETSI ...

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... editor during two last years (?) ...

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... involved with DSS TC @ OASIS ...

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... main interest is to cooperate in followup ...

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... on stdzation of XML security ...

14:12:46 [klanz2]

zakim, unmute me

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klanz2 should no longer be muted

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... implementation experience ...

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Nadalin: Tony Nadalin, IBM, worked with Shawn on Java implementation of XML Sig and Enc ...

14:13:27 [klanz2]

zakim, mute me

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klanz2 should now be muted

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... WS-Security, -Trust, other specs ...

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... most interested in follow-on work ...

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... severe performance problems with Sig and Enc ...

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... large footprints, figure out what to do wrt moving forward with this tech ...

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ack klanz

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klanz2: Konrad Lanz, Stiftung Secure Information Communication Technology (?) @ Graz University ...

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... involved in maintaining implementations ...

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... including Sig, Enc, OASIS DSS, some other Java toolkits ...

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... involved in standardization work in OASIS, DSS TC there ...

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... main interest in robustness of XML Signatures, false negatives are rather bad ...

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fjh: Working in security standards for some time, including original specs, will chair this working group ...

14:15:32 [klanz2]

zakim, mute me

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klanz2 should now be muted

14:15:37 [tlr]

... interest in having stuff converge, not have multiple versions of things ...

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zakim, who is on the phone?

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On the phone I see rdm, ShawnMullen, EdSimon, GregWhitehead, Hal, JuanCarlosCruellas, Anthony_Nadalin, klanz2 (muted), Frederick_Hirsch, giles, Thomas

14:15:55 [tlr]

giles: Giles Hogben, ENISA, European Network & Info Sec Agency ...

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... identity management lead there ...

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... main interest is to see work on European qualified signatures, XADES within roadmap ...

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... worked in the P3P working group where chaired a task force that dealt with XML Dsig ...

14:17:45 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

14:17:45 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rdm, ShawnMullen, EdSimon, GregWhitehead, Hal, JuanCarlosCruellas, Anthony_Nadalin, klanz2 (muted), Frederick_Hirsch, giles, Thomas

14:17:47 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Ed, jcc, Giles, hal, Nadalin, grw, sean, klanz2, RRSAgent, Zakim, rdm, fjh, rdmiller89, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:17:55 [tlr]

tlr: W3C Team, main interest is to get the different communities that have stakes in XML Signature & friends together at one table

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zakim, I am thomas

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ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas

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zakim, mute me

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Thomas should now be muted

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fjh: agenda bashing ...

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... will talk briefly about scribing, schedule, charter, and look at agenda for face-to-face ...

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... do people feel anything needs to be added?

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- silence -

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... scribe role will rotate, chair excused from scribing ...

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... haven't got exact mechanism down ...

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... for 2/3 May face-to-face, will need scribes for mornings and afternoons ...

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... if want to volunteer now, that would be helpful ...

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... if you want to select a spot now, speak up ...

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Note you can also type it into the record through IRC

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... or send e-mail ...

14:20:25 [rdm]

I can scribe on the afternoon of May 2.

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scheduling the weekly call, first choice is 9am Eastern slot on Tuesdays, 10am second

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zakim, ack me

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unmuting Thomas

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I see no one on the speaker queue

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fjh: tentatively plan on that time. We won't have a call before the face-to-face ...

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hal: if the West Coasters are happy about it, who are we East Coasters to complain?

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fjh: next meeting is 8:30-5pm in Cambridge, 2/3 May

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... registration form and logistics; please fill in registration ...

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... any concerns or questions re face-to-face? ...

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- silence -

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Topic: charter review

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http://www.w3.org/2005/Security/xmlsig-charter

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link for weekly scheduling results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40279/xmlsecweekly/results

14:22:43 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

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Thomas should now be muted

14:23:12 [fjh]

f2f registration results page http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40279/xmlsecbos0705/results

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ballot still open for F2F, please register whether or not you plan to attend

14:24:09 [tlr]

fjh: will just go through charter ...

14:24:12 [klanz2]

yes

14:24:16 [Giles]

yes

14:24:37 [tlr]

... goal is to do very limited work on the spec, and then suggest charter for further work ...

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... there is some other items, such as a note ...

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... basic idea is to do minimum changes, then consider next steps ...

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... fairly short time line especially if consider interop ...

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... confidentiality: plan to do everything in public ...

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... we have an administrative list for things like sending regrets or few member-confidential items ...

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... use that sparingly ...

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... Frederick to chair, Thomas to team-contact ...

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... suspect 3 face-to-face meetings ...

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... first one in May, second as workshop, third @ tech plenary ...

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... 6-8 november ...

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http://www.w3.org/2002/09/TPOverview.html

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... need to talk about specific slots to take in that week ...

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... May 8 is conflicting wiht AC meeting; will send out e-mail about that ...

14:27:25 [tlr]

fjh: background and scope has links to background material; there's reading list on home page as well

14:27:33 [tlr]

... XML Sig was 1999-2002 ...

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... produced a bunch of recs ...

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... how to sign/encrypt XML and other stuff and encapsulate results in XML ...

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... Canonical XML to make signatures verify despite surface changes ...

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... there's C14N 1.1 from XML Core ...

14:28:25 [klanz2]

zakim, unmute me

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klanz2 should no longer be muted

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... that work is in last call ...

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... one of the things to do is to comment on that ...

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... get feedback to them ...

14:28:41 [klanz2]

q+

14:29:00 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

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Thomas should no longer be muted

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ack klanz2

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zakim, mute me

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Thomas should now be muted

14:29:18 [fjh]

ck klanz2

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ack klanz2

14:29:43 [tlr]

klanz2: to clarify, C14N 1.1 fixes xml:id and xml:base issues, not related to xml 1.1

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... there's also a wiki done by konrad and Jose Kahan ..

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... will post pointer to IRC ...

14:30:23 [klanz2]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/XML-Dsig?highlight=%28xml%29

14:30:48 [klanz2]

zakim, mute me

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klanz2 should now be muted

14:31:03 [klanz2]

go ahead

14:31:13 [tlr]

fjh: useful to know, thanks

14:31:24 [tlr]

... deliverables ...

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... two initial ones that we need to be careful with the timing ...

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... Syntax & Processing / Decryption Transform ...

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... we'll need to do interop testing on these ...

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... review of both of them ...

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... for Syntax & Processing - since this was joint effort - give the IETF a chance to have a last call review and have published as RFC ...

14:32:33 [tlr]

... get on track fairly quickly at face-to-face ...

14:32:53 [tlr]

... with XML Sig, starting with REC, move it to Proposed Edited Rec ...

14:33:09 [tlr]

... part of doing this is to limit the changse - no new features, no conformance-affecting things except for the bits that we know of ...

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... we're shortcutting process on that one ...

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... decryption trasnform back to Working Draft, then go through the process ...

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... there's some work that outlines proposed changes ...

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... fold in some of the errata as well ...

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ack thomas

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q-

14:35:39 [fjh]

thomas: should look at reading list and Note that Thomas produced indicating the changes that need to be done

14:35:51 [fjh]

... this would be very useful to help those with implementations

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... so we can get to interop and testing more easily and quickly

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... please indicate to those in your companies doing implementations as soon as possible

14:36:25 [tlr]

zakim, mute thomas

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Thomas should now be muted

14:36:29 [fjh]

... so we can get a start on interop

14:36:55 [tlr]

fjh: the sooner we get started on interop, the better we'll be off

14:37:09 [tlr]

... process details to be discussed at f2f ...

14:37:27 [tlr]

... rec track deliverables are the timing critical ones due to review and inteorp ...

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s/inteorp/interop/

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fjh: SHOULD do a charter for further work, reach out to other communities ...

14:37:55 [tlr]

... MAY do a note on best practices ...

14:38:00 [tlr]

... might be something to do without extra work ...

14:38:06 [tlr]

... we might be able to document things as we go ...

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... but the REC track deliverables and chartering work have priority ...

14:38:42 [tlr]

... use wiki to document ideas and issues as we go, also as input for chartering ...

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... might have workshop ...

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... meetings ...

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... weekly, and face-to-faces ..

14:39:05 [Zakim]

+ +1.770.615.aaff

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... plan to have phone bridge in Cambridge ...

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- +1.770.615.aaff

14:39:21 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

14:39:21 [Zakim]

Thomas should no longer be muted

14:39:36 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

14:39:36 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

14:39:37 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rdm, ShawnMullen, EdSimon, GregWhitehead, Hal, JuanCarlosCruellas, Anthony_Nadalin, klanz2 (muted), Frederick_Hirsch, giles, Thomas

14:39:41 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Ed, jcc, Giles, hal, Nadalin, grw, sean, klanz2, RRSAgent, Zakim, rdm, fjh, rdmiller89, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:39:44 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rdm, ShawnMullen, EdSimon, GregWhitehead, Hal, JuanCarlosCruellas, Anthony_Nadalin, klanz2 (muted), Frederick_Hirsch, giles, Thomas

14:39:44 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

14:39:46 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Ed, jcc, Giles, hal, Nadalin, grw, sean, klanz2, RRSAgent, Zakim, rdm, fjh, rdmiller89, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:39:49 [Zakim]

Thomas should now be muted

14:40:14 [tlr]

fjh: critical sentence in the deliverables and schedule is "early interop testing" ...

14:40:27 [tlr]

... from introductions, looks like we're in good shape ...

14:40:36 [tlr]

... please indicate who will actually participate in interop testing ...

14:40:50 [tlr]

... private e-mail is fine, don't want to put folks on the spot right now ...

14:41:03 [tlr]

... dependencies, obviously XML Core ...

14:41:23 [tlr]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Mar/0001.html

14:41:26 [klanz2]

q+

14:41:37 [tlr]

... XML Core closes Last Call before our f2f, but they're prepared to accept late comments from us ...

14:41:45 [tlr]

... please review C14N 1.1 before f2f ...

14:41:49 [tlr]

... comments to share on the list? ...

14:42:02 [tlr]

... also, things noteworthy on the wiki? If so, Konrad please send mail ...

14:42:08 [tlr]

q?

14:42:15 [tlr]

... there's also XML Coordination Group ...

14:42:31 [tlr]

ack thomas

14:43:21 [tlr]

fjh: uwa dependency?

14:43:30 [klanz2]

zakim, unmute me

14:43:30 [Zakim]

klanz2 should no longer be muted

14:43:37 [fjh]

ack klanz

14:43:38 [tlr]

tlr: in response to member input during AC review; mostly for charter work

14:43:50 [tlr]

klanz2: happens to be in the XML Core WG

14:44:14 [tlr]

... they're not particularly eager to keep C14N as a deliverable ...

14:44:25 [tlr]

s/happens to/happen to/

14:44:57 [tlr]

tlr: change of rec-track deliverables requires rechartering

14:44:59 [fjh]

thomas: would prefer to avoid the necessary AC review to recharter XMLSec Maint

14:45:00 [klanz2]

zakim, mute me

14:45:00 [Zakim]

klanz2 should now be muted

14:45:09 [tlr]

... would rather avoid that during the next half year ...

14:45:43 [Zakim]

+ +1.770.615.aagg

14:45:48 [tlr]

fjh: external dependencies -- ietf, trying to get out as an RFC, but attempt not to have that as a blocking point ...

14:45:55 [jcc]

q+

14:45:57 [tlr]

... DSS and its future ...

14:46:20 [klanz2]

q-

14:46:23 [tlr]

zakim, aagg is rsalz

14:46:23 [Zakim]

+rsalz; got it

14:46:28 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

14:46:28 [Zakim]

Thomas should now be muted

14:46:49 [tlr]

... WS-I, basic security profile and other things, future work ...

14:46:53 [tlr]

... Liberty ...

14:47:23 [tlr]

... there are probably others; if we should be collaborating with other organizations and are able to help with that, please speak up on the list ...

14:47:24 [tlr]

q?

14:47:47 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

14:47:47 [Zakim]

Thomas should no longer be muted

14:48:50 [fjh]

ack jcc

14:49:08 [tlr]

fjh: please cover patent policy essentials at face-to-face

14:49:16 [tlr]

jcc: ETSI should be acknowledged ...

14:49:16 [tlr]

q+

14:49:59 [tlr]

tlr: charter is cast in stone, but we can put the external relations somewhere on the web site

14:50:01 [Giles]

q+

14:50:06 [tlr]

... and do that as a living document ...

14:50:07 [tlr]

q-

14:50:16 [tlr]

fjh: jcc to send material to list

14:50:42 [tlr]

ACTION: Juan-Carlos to send note on ETSI liaison to mailing list

14:50:42 [trackbot-ng]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Juan-Carlos

14:50:48 [Giles]

Please add Xades to list

14:50:55 [tlr]

ACTION: Cruellas to send note on ETSI liaison to mailing list

14:50:57 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-2 - Send note on ETSI liaison to mailing list [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-04-24].

14:51:03 [tlr]

rrsagent, drop action 1

14:51:11 [tlr]

Topic: face-to-face agenda

14:51:15 [Giles]

action on Xades too?

14:51:21 [tlr]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Apr/0006.html

14:51:31 [tlr]

Giles, the ETSI liaison is supposed to be about XADES, I think.

14:51:37 [Giles]

Oh OK sorry

14:52:00 [tlr]

fjh: think there needs to be additional item about interop ...

14:52:04 [tlr]

... propose adding something on that ...

14:52:11 [tlr]

... will start setup at 8:30 ..

14:52:14 [tlr]

... will start 9am sharp ...

14:52:20 [tlr]

... scribe volunteers please speak up on list ...

14:52:39 [tlr]

... note that scribing at f2f has its benefits ...

14:53:12 [tlr]

... going through inidividual points of agenda ...

14:53:20 [tlr]

... need somebody to do c14n 1.1 overview ...

14:53:35 [tlr]

... will talk to people this week about who is to do that ...

14:53:55 [tlr]

... people on their own for lunch, there's good stuff very close ...

14:54:14 [tlr]

... use C14N 1.1 for review? ...

14:54:20 [tlr]

... if people have comments, please post to list ...

14:54:39 [tlr]

... need a taker for decryption transform ...

14:54:50 [tlr]

... if you want to talk about it, please speak up this week ...

14:55:04 [tlr]

fjh: thursday, setup at 8:30, start 9 sharp...

14:55:43 [tlr]

... attendance on both days?

14:55:49 [tlr]

tlr: people indicated they'll join for *both* days

14:55:54 [tlr]

fjh: interop important ...

14:56:01 [tlr]

... issues and implementation experience ...

14:56:15 [tlr]

... quick soundbites on issues and implementations ...

14:56:17 [tlr]

... 1h total?

14:56:19 [tlr]

... comments?

14:56:47 [tlr]

fjh: after lunch, future steps ...

14:57:04 [tlr]

... charter, best practices; there are some editor / tooling / mechanics questions ...

14:57:10 [tlr]

... having raced through the agenda ...

14:57:26 [tlr]

... any comments?

14:57:29 [tlr]

??: sounds fine

14:57:32 [tlr]

Tony: sounds good

14:57:46 [tlr]

tony: come up with somethig that we want to test

14:57:54 [tlr]

... use case / scenario ...

14:58:11 [tlr]

fjh: can people contribute in advance?

14:58:18 [tlr]

... to have better use of our time ...

14:58:32 [tlr]

fjh: aob?

14:58:43 [tlr]

EdSimon: next meeting next week?

14:58:49 [tlr]

fjh: tentatively had scheduled it ...

14:58:53 [tlr]

... then cancelled. ...

14:58:58 [tlr]

... next meeting will be the face-to-face ...

14:59:12 [tlr]

... from then on, 9-10 Eastern every Tuesday after that, apart of 8 May ...

14:59:16 [tlr]

... we'll confirm at f2f ...

14:59:26 [Zakim]

-Anthony_Nadalin

14:59:31 [tlr]

meeting adjourned

14:59:48 [Zakim]

-Hal

14:59:50 [klanz2]

thank you, bye

14:59:52 [Zakim]

-GregWhitehead

14:59:53 [tlr]

zakim, list participants

14:59:55 [Zakim]

-ShawnMullen

14:59:56 [Zakim]

-Thomas

14:59:57 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Frederick_Hirsch, +30281039aaaa, Thomas, giles, +1.443.695.aabb, rdm, +1.781.442.aacc, ShawnMullen, +1.613.447.aadd, +1.650.380.aaee, Hal,

15:00:01 [Zakim]

... EdSimon, GregWhitehead, JuanCarlosCruellas, Anthony_Nadalin, klanz2, +1.770.615.aaff, +1.770.615.aagg, rsalz

15:00:06 [Zakim]

-giles

15:00:09 [Zakim]

-rsalz

15:00:12 [Zakim]

-rdm

15:00:14 [Zakim]

-JuanCarlosCruellas

15:00:14 [tlr]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:00:14 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr

15:00:20 [Zakim]

-EdSimon

15:00:38 [Zakim]

-klanz2

15:00:52 [tlr]

zakim, excuse us

15:00:54 [Zakim]

leaving. As of this point the attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, +30281039aaaa, Thomas, giles, +1.443.695.aabb, rdm, +1.781.442.aacc, ShawnMullen, +1.613.447.aadd, +1.650.380.aaee,

15:00:54 [tlr]

rrsagent, excuse us

15:00:54 [RRSAgent]

I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-xmlsec-actions.rdf :

15:00:54 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Cruellas to send note on ETSI liaison to mailing list [2]

15:00:54 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-xmlsec-irc#T14-50-55

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