IRC log of swd on 2007-04-17

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14:53:35 [TomB]

rrsagent, bookmark

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See http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T14-53-35

14:53:41 [TomB]

zakim, this will be swd

14:53:41 [Zakim]

ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started

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Meeting: SWD WG

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Chair: Tom

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0021.html

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Previous: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html

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Regrets: Elisa, Simone, Guus

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rrsagent, please make record public

14:57:38 [seanb]

yes

14:57:41 [Zakim]

+ +0120682aaaa

14:57:47 [seanb]

just about to dial in thouggh....

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+??P35

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Scribe: seanb

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http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc

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+Ralph

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+Antoine_Isaac

15:04:09 [RalphS]

zakim, who's on the call?

15:04:09 [Zakim]

On the phone I see TomB, Bernard, SeanB, Ralph, Antoine_Isaac

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Topic: Admin

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+Jon_Phipps

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+??P7

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zakim, Jon_Phipps is me

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+ +49.842.9.aabb

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+JonP; got it

15:07:46 [berrueta]

zakim, ??P7 is me

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I already had ??P7 as Aliman, berrueta

15:08:16 [RalphS]

zakim, aliman is really Diego

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+Diego; got it

15:08:28 [seanb]

PROPOSED to accept minutes of 3 April telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html

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RESOLVED: accepted minutes

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zakim, vit is really Alistair

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+Alistair; got it

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Upcoming telecons:

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April 24th, no problem

15:09:27 [vit]

ehm, i'm not on the phone - sorry for possible confusion - i'm only following you on IRC

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May 1st TomB has a problem

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May 8th: WWW conflict

15:09:47 [RalphS]

[ok, Vit; thanks, just confusion when Diego and Alistair joined]

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Ralph: Regrets for May 8, I'll be in Banff

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Spring face-to-face meeting. Proposed to hold it in Sept/Oct/Nov

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RESOLVED: Next f2f in Sep/Oct/Nov

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ACTION: TomB to start questionnaire on date for f2f

15:10:56 [aliman]

I can't make May 1st, can make May 8th telcon.

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Bernard: W3C plenary in 1st week of Nov. Why not synchronise?

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Ralph: Probably good idea, but potentail conflict wth ISWC

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Ralph: In Cambridge (4-10 Nov)

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Topic: SKOS

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(dates definitely overlap ISWC; the question is whether that matters for SWD WG)

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ACTION: Antoine, Jon, Daniel respond to the SKOS Use Case reviews, target a decision to publish on 17 April [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02]

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--continues

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Antoine: issues still to be resolved, hopefully in the next fw days.

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+Ben_Adida

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...requesting feedback from reviewers to comments addressed

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ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling issue [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01]

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--continues

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ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how to represent that in skos [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]

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--continues

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Antoine: Is it possible to get some support (e.g. Ralph) w.r.t the

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... editorial aspects of putting documents into W3C and get processed

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.. with proper stylesheets

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Ralph: From WG homepage there are pointers to guides for editors

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... tech report editors materials (bottom of WG home paghe)

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...document is in wg space, so pubrules checker can be run over it.

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Antoine: worried about technical difficulties. E.g. uses amaya but then

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...output is diofferent. character encoding?

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Jon: Can help with this.

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ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for other options [http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07]

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--continues

15:16:11 [aliman]

I just use http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/TR/base as base stylesheet for editors drafts

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ACTION: Alistair to write up two alternatives for representing Collections [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action08]

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--continues

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/#resources Editors' Resources

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Topic: Recipes

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ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]

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--continues

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Topic: Vocabulary Managament

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ACTION: Elisa to provide outline of work to be done by Apr 17 [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action01]

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--continues

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Topic: RDFa

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ACTION: Ben to send mail to Semantic Web and HTML mailing lists publicizing and soliciting comments on RDFa Primer and RDFa Use Cases work [http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action14]

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--done

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Ben: Just did it 45 minutes ago!

15:18:21 [benadida]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Apr/1027.html

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Ben: Report from yesterday's call

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...Have a solid Working draft for use cases/primer

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...hoping for more comments

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-> http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes record of 2007-04-16 RDFa telecon

15:19:02 [seanb]

...working on synatx and diuscussing what to bring to last call

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...feedback from grdddl wg

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...grdddl taking sntax and test cases to last call.

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...use cases and primer kept as notes.

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q+

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...i.e. normative docs as last call, non-normative stuff as wg notes

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Ralph: this is fine. Case by case decising by wg as to what should be rec and what should be

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...notes. Anything important for a reader to understand the technology (and us e it) should be part of

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...rec package. Auxiliarry stuff could be notes. Use cases fall into the second. Primer maybe not.

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...depends on how complete other documents are.

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Ben: GRDDL wg says that their primer will go to last call if time permits.

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q+

15:22:13 [seanb]

...If primer is particularly useful then it could be part of the rec. Documents are

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...useful, but pushing them all to rec status may not be feasible in the time.

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Ralph: Used to be that could decide later. New W3 patent policy requires us to say whether or not

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... a document is rec track when first drafts are published.

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Ben: Have already made statements about the documents.

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Ralph: In case of RDFa rec has moved from being part of XHTML to standalone document

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...can potentially change our minds later

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Ben: Safe to say that use cases and other auxiliaries are ok as notes.

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...Primre should be part of rec package

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Ralph: I don't see a particular reason to break that trend

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Ben: RDFa overview document. Points to other documents. May be auxiliary

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...Just an umbrella

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...Proposed: syntax rec track test cases last call. primer to last call. Others notes

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...Will send summary to group cc swd. ANy comments please shout

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ACTION: Ben to send a summary of status of components of specifications will be handled

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Topic: AOB

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TomB: Request for comments on GRDDL last call

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...volunteer to read grddl spec and report back to next week's call

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...can then send a note to grddl. Purpose of review is to flag issues that we see

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...w.r.t. SWD deliverables. Anything that raises issues re. SKOS or RDFa should be flagged

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0020.html Request for Comments from SWD Group on GRDDL Last Call [TomB]

15:28:00 [seanb]

...also soliciting feedback on test cases and primer (but GRDDDL spec more important)

15:28:39 [seanb]

Ben: was involved in GRDDL. What's the timeline?

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TomB: By middle of next week. Not a complete review, but before April 24th.

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Ben: Can't do it (is moving)

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TomB: Looking for some kind of collective response

15:29:55 [RalphS]

"Comments are due by 30 March 2007" -- http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/

15:30:01 [seanb]

Ben: Some mild concerns that they haven't taken RDFa into account. Not killer concerns,

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...but worth noting

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...Can email them and say I need more time before feeding back

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...whatever happens, Ben should send comment

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...This is a good document. Someone else shoudlt ake a look as Ben's been involved

15:31:56 [RalphS]

zakim, who's on the call?

15:31:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see TomB, Bernard, SeanB, Ralph, Antoine_Isaac, JonP, Diego, Alistair, Ben_Adida

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ACTION: Ben to provide feedback on GRDDL Last Call Doc

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Diego: I'll do it

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ACTION: Diego to review GRDDL Last Call Doc. Discuss briefly at next week's call

15:33:26 [seanb]

TomB: next meeting April 24th for sure.

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-Ben_Adida

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-Bernard

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-Diego

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-Alistair

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-JonP

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-Antoine_Isaac

15:34:04 [RalphS]

zakim, list participants

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As of this point the attendees have been +0120682aaaa, Bernard, SeanB, TomB, Ralph, Antoine_Isaac, +49.842.9.aabb, JonP, Diego, Alistair, Ben_Adida

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-Ralph

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-SeanB

15:35:13 [seanb]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-minutes.html seanb

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-TomB

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SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +0120682aaaa, Bernard, SeanB, TomB, Ralph, Antoine_Isaac, +49.842.9.aabb, JonP, Diego, Alistair, Ben_Adida

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15:43:33 [seanb]

ralph -- one question. Who is/was +0120682aaaa??

15:48:07 [RalphS]

that was Bernard

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 12 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: TomB to start questionnaire on date for f2f [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-10-48

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ACTION: Antoine, Jon, Daniel respond to the SKOS Use Case reviews, target a decision to publish on 17 April [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action02] [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-12-24

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ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling issue [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01] [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-13-47

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ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how to represent that in skos [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-13-58

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ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for other options [http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07] [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-16-03

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ACTION: Alistair to write up two alternatives for representing Collections [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action08] [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-16-18

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ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-16-46

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ACTION: Elisa to provide outline of work to be done by Apr 17 [http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-swd-minutes.html#action01] [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-17-31

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ACTION: Ben to send mail to Semantic Web and HTML mailing lists publicizing and soliciting comments on RDFa Primer and RDFa Use Cases work [http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action14] [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-17-56

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ACTION: Ben to send a summary of status of components of specifications will be handled [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-26-16

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ACTION: Ben to provide feedback on GRDDL Last Call Doc [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-32-03

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ACTION: Diego to review GRDDL Last Call Doc. Discuss briefly at next week's call [12]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-swd-irc#T15-32-51