IRC log of xhtml on 2007-04-11

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13:10:51 [Steven]

rrsagent, make log public

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zakim, this will be html

13:10:56 [Zakim]

ok, Steven; I see HTML_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 50 minutes

13:11:09 [Steven]

Meeting: XHTML2 WG Tleconference

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Chair: Steven

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s/Tle/Tele/

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13:53:19 [alessio]

hi all

13:58:23 [Steven]

hi

13:58:26 [Steven]

just coming

14:00:23 [Steven]

zakim, dial steven-617

14:00:23 [Zakim]

ok, Steven; the call is being made

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HTML_WG()10:00AM has now started

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+Steven

14:01:05 [Steven]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0004

14:01:18 [Steven]

Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0004

14:03:25 [Zakim]

+McCarron

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+MarkB

14:06:31 [markbirbeck]

zakim, who is here

14:06:31 [Zakim]

markbirbeck, you need to end that query with '?'

14:06:42 [Steven]

Alessio? Are you joining us?

14:06:47 [markbirbeck]

zakim, who is here?

14:06:47 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Steven, McCarron, MarkB

14:06:48 [Zakim]

On IRC I see alessio, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, markbirbeck

14:10:48 [Steven]

zakim, coe?

14:10:48 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, Steven.

14:10:52 [Steven]

zakim, code?

14:10:52 [Zakim]

the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven

14:11:29 [Steven]

Alessio?

14:12:19 [Steven]

Topic: XHTML Basic 1.1

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+??P21

14:13:46 [Steven]

Mark: I propsoie Steven as the chair for this meeting

14:13:50 [Steven]

Shane: Seconded

14:13:57 [Steven]

zakim, ??P21 is yamx

14:13:57 [Zakim]

+yamx; got it

14:14:22 [Steven]

Steven: We have been asked to publicly reaffirm the CR decision for Basic 1.1

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... any objections?

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[None]

14:14:50 [Zakim]

+Melinda_Grant

14:15:00 [alessio]

Sorry, Steven I'm only on IRC

14:15:01 [Steven]

RESOLVED: We reaffirm our decision to go to CR with XHTML Basic 1.1

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14:17:53 [Steven]

Yamx: About the test fest. It was held at the beginning of March in Helsinki

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... there were 4 implementations

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... and 3000 tests

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Steven: Will the results be published?

14:19:07 [Steven]

Yamx: Not sure when, but they will be made available

14:20:14 [Steven]

Topic: Recharter

14:21:38 [Steven]

Steven: We still don't have all members joined yet, but there are dates in June for a fORMS fTf; DO WE WANT TO USE IT AT LEAST FOR AN EDITOR'S MEETING?

14:21:47 [Steven]

sHANE: iN PRINCIPLE A GOOD IDEA. lET ME CHECK.

14:21:55 [Steven]

sTEVEN: mARK AND i WILL BE THERE FOR THE fORMS MEETING

14:22:28 [melinda]

s/fORMS fTf/forms ftf

14:22:36 [Steven]

Topic: Issue tracking

14:22:44 [Steven]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0003

14:23:19 [melinda]

s/DO WE WANT TO USE IT AT LEAST FOR AN EDITOR'S MEETING/do we want to use it at least for an editor's meeting/

14:23:42 [Steven]

Shane: I have implemented changes that ChrisL and IanJ requested

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s/sHANE/shane

14:24:30 [melinda]

s/iN PRINCIPLE A GOOD IDEA. lET ME CHECK/In principle a good idea. Let me check/

14:24:51 [Steven]

... this was in response to a call I had with Ian and Chris

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s/sTEVEN/Steven

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... we have many comments we haven't yet addressed

14:25:44 [melinda]

s/mARK AND i WILL BE THERE FOR THE fORMS MEETING/Mark and I will be there for the Forms meeting/

14:26:11 [Steven]

... and I explained the issues around that

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... we talked about handling issues after they are submitted

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... they are submitted to www-html-editor, and then we filter and forward them to the issue handling

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... system

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... DoCs were also raised

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... because there is no defined format in W3C

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... I updated the format of our DoCs, with classes, counts, and user disposition

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... to make it easier to skim a DoC

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... and I added something to track substantive issues (vs editorial/no change etc)

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... I have also added a help page

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14:33:56 [Steven]

http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/xhtml2-issues/

14:34:18 [Steven]

Steven: Excellent stuff Shane

14:34:32 [Steven]

Shane: By the way, the next XHTML 1.* issue will be number 10,000!

14:36:31 [Steven]

Topic: New drafts system

14:36:48 [Steven]

Shane: We are now a public WG, and the editor's drafts need to be public

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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/

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So I created a page that gets generated once a day

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s/S/... S/

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... with all details of new drafts, diffs etc

14:38:08 [Steven]

Melinda: So there is no such thing as a private version now?

14:38:16 [Steven]

Shane: I agree I have concerns

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... but it is the price to pay for being a public WG

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+ShaneM

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-McCarron

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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts - note that this page does not work on IE right now

14:43:31 [alessio]

ok

14:44:49 [Steven]

[discussion of how public WGs will and should operate]

14:45:32 [ShaneM]

most recent drafts are at Drafts/shortname, btw

14:45:56 [Steven]

Steven: Nice!

14:46:17 [Steven]

Shane: And the main page is annotated with RDFa, and this will update the RSS feed

14:46:22 [Steven]

Melinda: Cool!

14:48:51 [Steven]

Topic: RDFa DRAFT

14:49:02 [Steven]

Shane: Nothing to discuss this meeting. Just note that it is there

14:49:34 [Steven]

Shane: Note that I have produced an HTML4.01+RDFa DTD as an exercise

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... but that we are not chartered to produce such a thing

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... is this useful, should it be part of the draft?

14:50:52 [Steven]

Mark: Definitely useful, not sure if it shpould be part of the draft

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... maybe we should put it somewhere else

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s/shp/sh/

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Shane: If we want to promote RDFa, it is essential

14:53:44 [ShaneM]

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/Overview.xhtml?.html

14:53:47 [Steven]

... because it doesn't work in IE otherwise

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Steven: there is a trick, us a URL that ends with ".html"

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[tries, fails]

14:59:08 [Steven]

Mark: Well, send it as HTML then; what do we lose?

14:59:32 [Steven]

Shane: Firefox has a bug with respect to internal subsets

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... we need a solution for the internet

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Mark: We need to put some time into this to find a solution

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Melinda: THis is just working round lack of IE support

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s/TH/Th/

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Mark: I think that we should produce XHTML and render to HTML

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ACTION: Steven to add media type issue to next week's agenda

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-Melinda_Grant

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ADJOURN

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-ShaneM

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-MarkB

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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-yamx

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-Steven

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HTML_WG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Steven, McCarron, MarkB, yamx, Melinda_Grant, ShaneM

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

15:22:56 [alessio]

bye all

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