IRC log of html on 2007-04-04

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14:00:09 [Steven]

rrsagent,make log world

14:00:16 [Steven]

zakim, this will be html

14:00:16 [Zakim]

ok, Steven, I see HTML_WG()10:00AM already started

14:00:21 [Zakim]

+??P12

14:00:24 [Steven]

zakim, who is here?

14:00:24 [Zakim]

On the phone I see [IBM], ??P12

14:00:25 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, ShaneM, Steven

14:00:30 [Steven]

zakim, dial steven-617

14:00:30 [Zakim]

ok, Steven; the call is being made

14:00:32 [Zakim]

+Steven

14:01:06 [Steven]

zakim, mute rich

14:01:06 [Zakim]

sorry, Steven, I do not know which phone connection belongs to rich

14:01:14 [Steven]

zakim, [ibm is Rich

14:01:14 [Zakim]

+Rich; got it

14:01:19 [Steven]

zakim, mute rich

14:01:19 [Zakim]

Rich should now be muted

14:01:27 [Steven]

zakim, ack rich

14:01:27 [Zakim]

unmuting Rich

14:01:28 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

14:02:02 [Steven]

Meeting: XHTML2 WG Teleconference

14:02:53 [yamx]

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Which tel number will we use?

14:03:20 [ShaneM]

zakim, #html

14:03:20 [Zakim]

I don't understand '#html', ShaneM

14:03:24 [ShaneM]

lol

14:03:32 [yamx]

The same as the past weeks?

14:04:07 [Steven]

Regrets: Melinda, Alessio

14:05:00 [Steven]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0000

14:05:06 [Steven]

Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0000

14:05:15 [Steven]

Chair: Steven

14:05:23 [Steven]

Scribe: Shane

14:05:51 [Zakim]

+ +44.442.087.61.aaaa

14:05:54 [Steven]

ACTION: Steven to check IE form for Shane [recorded in

14:05:54 [Steven]

http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-html-minutes.html#action01]

14:05:57 [Steven]

-- Done

14:05:59 [Zakim]

+??P24

14:06:21 [ShaneM]

zakim, P24 is yam

14:06:21 [Zakim]

sorry, ShaneM, I do not recognize a party named 'P24'

14:06:31 [ShaneM]

zakim, ??P24 is yam

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+yam; got it

14:06:53 [ShaneM]

Topic: Rechartering

14:07:09 [ShaneM]

Shane and Steven had a meeting with ChrisL and IanJ. Working through some issues.

14:07:33 [ShaneM]

ACTION: Remember to ensure you are a member of the XHTML 2 working group by contacting your AC rep.

14:07:56 [ShaneM]

AC representatives have the appropriate form already.

14:08:56 [ShaneM]

Remember that you should only send mail to the public-xhtml2 mailing list. The old working group mailing list is deprecated.

14:10:28 [ShaneM]

This mailing list is viewable by the public, but only working group members can join the mailing list.

14:10:39 [ShaneM]

ACTION: starting next week change IRC channels to #xhtml.

14:10:49 [ShaneM]

ACTION: Steven to send a message about the new logistics.

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A live drafts page will be available at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts

14:12:11 [ShaneM]

TOPIC: RDFa and Shane's Questions

14:14:07 [ShaneM]

Should @href be indicated as being "clickable" or "actuatable" in the module specification?

14:14:38 [ShaneM]

This was discussed at the RDFa meeting this week.

14:14:56 [ShaneM]

Steven believes that we should NOT require this in the context of XHTML 1.1 becuase it just won't happen.

14:16:58 [ShaneM]

Shane thinks that @href means "link youcan follow" and if we make it global, it needs to mean that everywhere.

14:18:21 [ShaneM]

Mark suggests that the RDFa spec doesn't need to say anything about the clickability. And if we need to specify that, we could do it in a separate document.

14:18:39 [ShaneM]

Rich wants to know what semantics RDFa adds to href?

14:19:05 [ShaneM]

Mark indicated that it has some meaning when interpreted by an RDFa processor. In that context @href means the object of a triple. It has no other meaning in "RDFa"

14:21:34 [ShaneM]

Mark points out that rel="stylesheet" or rel="alternate stylesheet" has some semantics too.... but that needs to be defined elsewhere. It has nothing to do with RDFa

14:23:20 [ShaneM]

RESOLVED: remove the clickability from @href in RDFa

14:23:59 [ShaneM]

Mark indicated that "rarification" is going to go away from RDFa. Shane asked what we should change specifically?

14:24:41 [Steven]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-wg/2007JanMar/0070

14:25:20 [Steven]

RDFa: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20070317/

14:28:44 [Steven]

XHTML2: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-metaAttributes.html#sec_24.2.

14:30:12 [ShaneM]

ACTION: Steven to propose a rephrasing of the about atribute inheritance rules.

14:31:26 [ShaneM]

Topic: @profile vs. rel=profile

14:33:07 [ShaneM]

RESOLVED: Stipulate that @rel="profile" is equivalent to @profile.

14:33:28 [ShaneM]

Mark thinks that @profile needs to be included in this specification.

14:33:40 [ShaneM]

Shane says it is in M12N already; all we need to do is reference it.

14:35:05 [Zakim]

-Rich

14:35:26 [Zakim]

+[IBM]

14:35:36 [ShaneM]

Zakim, [IBM is Rich

14:35:36 [Zakim]

+Rich; got it

14:35:51 [ShaneM]

Topic: @class and RDFa

14:37:23 [ShaneM]

Mark thinks RDFa needs class around. Shane thinks that class comes from M12N.

14:37:47 [ShaneM]

Steven points out that the RDFa modules document can easily require the presence of the xhtml:class attribute

14:39:04 [ShaneM]

Steven is concerned about using class because class has not been traditionally a QName.... Steven things that @role is a better vehicle becuase it is a QName already

14:42:59 [ShaneM]

Mark has an idea that we could overlaod class to do lots of things, possibly even removing the @property attribute

14:44:05 [ShaneM]

RESOLVED: ensure that the class attribute is required by RDFa. Note that this means xhtml:id and xhtml:title are required as well. The Core attributes.

14:47:34 [ShaneM]

Mark thinks that a resulting markup language needs to incorporate @role via the Role Attribute Module.

14:48:22 [ShaneM]

Steven thinks we could require @role via the RDFa module. Mark thinks that there is no reason unless role maps to rdf:type

14:51:15 [ShaneM]

Rich feels role should be equivalent to an rdf:type

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...arcane discussion about role vs type ...

14:59:59 [ShaneM]

ACTION: Mark to write up stuff about role as predicate.

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ACTION: Shane to include the role module into the example xhtml+rdfa driver

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-??P12

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-Steven

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- +44.442.087.61.aaaa

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-yam

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-Rich

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HTML_WG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were [IBM], Steven, Rich, +44.442.087.61.aaaa, yam

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-html-minutes.html Steven_

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