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14:47:05 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
14:47:05 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
14:47:12 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
14:47:17 <shadi> chair: Shadi
14:47:24 <shadi> regrets: Reinhard
14:47:55 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Mar/0084.html
14:48:12 <shadi> agenda+ Changes to HTTP Vocabulary in RDF Editor's Draft
14:48:20 <shadi> zakim, code?
14:48:20 <Zakim> the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
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14:59:38 <Zakim> + +1.310.410.aaaa
14:59:49 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is really Shadi
14:59:49 <Zakim> +Shadi; got it
15:01:07 <Zakim> +ThomasT
15:01:34 <JohannesK> Zakim, ThomasT is really JohannesK
15:01:34 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
15:01:59 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:02:27 <Zakim> +Shadi
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15:06:41 <shadi> regrets: Reinhard, CarlosV
15:06:50 <shadi> regrets: Reinhard, CarlosV, David
15:07:31 <Zakim> +abel
15:07:58 <CarlosI> zakim, abel is really CarlosI
15:07:58 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
15:08:37 <CarlosI> scribe: CarlosI
15:09:38 <CarlosI> SAZ: several comments about HTTP in RDF
15:09:49 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Mar/0082
15:10:10 <CarlosI> SAZ: some quite important, so maybe we should put HTTP in RDF on hold
15:11:09 <CarlosI> SAZ: try to decide which should we address before publication
15:12:07 <CarlosI> SAZ: proposal to add text at section 1 to clarify the scope of the vocabulary
15:13:27 <CarlosI> CI: could help people to focus comments on scope
15:13:55 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: add clarification of the vocabulary scope at section 1
15:16:26 <CarlosI> SAZ: pospone discussion about timestamps
15:16:31 <CarlosI> JK: agree
15:16:35 <CarlosI> CI: +1
15:16:55 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: pospone discussion about timestamps
15:19:24 <CarlosI> SAZ: add some kind of blurb about the conventions for values normalization?
15:20:45 <CarlosI> CI: useful, but could wait
15:22:17 <JohannesK> yep
15:22:28 <CarlosI> SAZ: no clear idea right now about how it should like
15:24:00 <CarlosI> SAZ: jump to #4 for the moment, decide on # later
15:24:47 <CarlosI> SAZ: #4 is something that is not a core feature of the vocabulary
15:25:17 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: pospone discussion about http:transcript
15:28:22 <CarlosI> SAZ: #5 feedback requesting unified mechanism to access properties, right now we have differences between named properties and unknow properties
15:30:25 <CarlosI> SAZ: implies a substantial change on the model
15:32:03 <CarlosI> SAZ: the change provide more benefits than problems
15:32:15 <CarlosI> SAZ: don't see any negative impact
15:32:52 <CarlosI> JK: message header with two properties: name and values
15:33:23 <CarlosI> JK: with the new approach the name is no necessary any more
15:34:45 <CarlosI> JK: you have to create a new class or subclass for unknow properties
15:34:52 <CarlosI> SAZ: don't think so
15:35:20 <JohannesK> e.g. foo:X-Fun owl:subClassOf http:MessageHeader
15:38:50 <CarlosI> SAZ: the field name should be fixed
15:39:04 <CarlosI> JK: how to model a fixed field name?
15:40:32 <CarlosI> SAZ: are you saying it's not possible?
15:41:41 <CarlosI> SAZ: we need to wait for alternatives
15:44:20 <JohannesK> JK: proposal is ...
15:44:46 <JohannesK> JK: http:header -> http:MessageHeader
15:45:13 <JohannesK> JK: http:MessageHeader http:fieldName http-h:accept
15:45:32 <JohannesK> JK: http:MessageHeader http:fieldValue "text/html"
15:47:43 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: change the name properties of header to resource values using the owl:oneOf approach
15:47:44 <JohannesK> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Mar/0071.html>
15:50:54 <JohannesK> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Mar/0086.html>
15:52:31 <CarlosI> ACTION: JK to take his proposal about owl:oneOf to the mailing list for further discussion and refinement
15:53:12 <CarlosI> JK has just done his action
15:53:31 <Zakim> -CarlosI
15:54:09 <Zakim> +CarlosI
15:54:43 <JohannesK> JK: fieldName can have Literal or (collection of) HeaderElement
15:55:25 <JohannesK> JK: HeaderElement has properties elementName (required), elementValue (optional), several param
15:55:52 <JohannesK> s/fieldName/fieldValue
15:56:26 <JohannesK> JK: Param has properties paramName and paramValue
15:57:19 <JohannesK> elementName is Literal, elementValue is Literal, param should be Param
15:58:03 <shadi> header  = [ element ] *( "," [ element ] )
15:58:03 <shadi> element = name [ "=" [ value ] ] *( ";" [ param ] )
15:58:03 <shadi> param   = name [ "=" [ value ] 
15:58:52 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: adopt the Jakarta method for header element values
15:59:37 <CarlosI> SAZ: clarification of what XML mean in the algorithm
15:59:59 <CarlosI> SAZ: already disscused but not transmited
16:00:19 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: refine description of the algorithm
16:00:39 <CarlosI> SAZ: right now fixed list of response codes
16:01:24 <CarlosI> SAZ: response code class right now is oneOf a fixed list
16:01:42 <CarlosI> SAZ: we can add another oneOf thing for generic responses
16:02:28 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: provide mechanism for extensible response code
16:03:28 <CarlosI> SAZ: if we have a sequence of request we may want to record them as they came
16:03:54 <CarlosI> JK: a Collection is ordered
16:04:36 <CarlosI> SAZ: in that case it's a simple fix
16:05:16 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: describe the sequence of request in the Conection class
16:05:34 <CarlosI> SAZ: back to #3
16:06:25 <CarlosI> SAZ: proposal to try to address it editorially
16:07:22 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: (editors) add blurb on normalization conventions
16:09:15 <CarlosI> SAZ: could you incorporate changes?
16:09:31 <CarlosI> JK: yes
16:10:03 <Zakim> -JohannesK
16:10:05 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:10:09 <Zakim> -CarlosI
16:10:11 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()11:00AM has ended
16:10:12 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.310.410.aaaa, Shadi, JohannesK, CarlosI
16:10:33 <shadi> zakim, bye
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16:10:40 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:10:45 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:10:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-er-minutes.html shadi
16:10:46 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:10:53 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:10:53 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-er-actions.rdf :
16:10:53 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JK to take his proposal about owl:oneOf to the mailing list for further discussion and refinement [1]
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