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13:56:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
13:56:34 <trackbot> Date: 20 March 2007
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14:00:32 <pauld> scribe: pauld
14:00:35 <pauld> chair: pauld
14:00:41 <Zakim> +George_Cowe
14:00:44 <pauld> zakim, code?
14:00:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld
14:01:11 <Zakim> +Paul_Downey
14:01:13 <Zakim> -George_Cowe
14:01:17 <Zakim> +George_Cowe
14:01:32 <Zakim> +Yves
14:04:36 <pauld> Topic: barf dancing
14:04:50 <pauld> lots of stuff being chopped out
14:05:27 <Zakim> + +44.141.220.aaaa
14:07:31 <pauld> yves: can we distinguish between examples we exclude beacuse of barf dancing and those we exclude because of broken examples
14:07:46 <pauld> yves: we also have some broken examples
14:08:52 <pauld> pauld: please make sure you don't commit broken instance documents!
14:09:00 <pauld> yves: need reviewing
14:09:17 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/examples/6/09/
14:10:30 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/examples/6/09/DateSimpleTypePattern/#DateSimpleTypePattern02
14:10:34 <Yves> this one is easy to fix
14:11:49 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/examples/6/09/AttributeReference/AttributeReference-AttributeReference01.xml
14:11:56 <pauld> ACTION: gcowe to review and fix instance documents which fail validation
14:11:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-121 - Review and fix instance documents which fail validation [on George Cowe - due 2007-03-27].
14:12:56 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/examples/6/09/AttributeReference/
14:14:39 <pauld> pauld: not clever to make attribute names "telno" we should make it "integerAttribute" or some such to avoid semantics
14:14:51 <pauld> yves: looks like a toolkit problem after all
14:14:59 <pauld> yves: we need to do a re-run
14:15:41 <pauld> pauld: wondering if a realisic time frame is ahead of the F2F
14:16:29 <pauld> Topic: administrivia
14:16:55 <pauld> approval of minutes
14:17:53 <pauld> next F2F 18-20th April, will send out logistics
14:19:47 <pauld> planning for Wed-Thurs to be testing, Friday to be processing issues and the documents
14:22:40 <pauld> pauld: please look to the Action Items list
14:24:00 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-2: test suite
14:24:32 <pauld> yves: having to do lots of caching, 
14:24:43 <pauld> yves: needs more cosmetics
14:24:58 <pauld> pauld: main concern is the accuracy
14:25:23 <pauld> yves: we have tests marked as failed, need to be sure it's not my comparison
14:25:46 <pauld> gcowe: on the failures - are you deciding by looking at the HTTP response, body?
14:26:00 <pauld> yves: just comparing SOAP envelope
14:28:18 <pauld> pauld: the perl captures the HTTP headers for extra info, but a standalone Java command would be ideal
14:28:29 <pauld> gcowe: working on such a thing
14:30:22 <pauld> pauld: each toolkit has a http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/toolkits/php5_php_5.2.0/toolkit.xml
14:32:16 <pauld> pauld: contains per-toolkit info for the report
14:33:51 <pauld> pauld: the excludes, some are because of the examples are broken
14:34:19 <pauld> gcowe: I'd like to test just basic or advanced patterns
14:35:17 <pauld> yves: i've managed to do this in dashboard.java
14:37:39 <pauld> gcowe: spent too much time on the barf dancing, excluding tests, now working on building the output.xml file
14:37:59 <pauld> pauld: would like to wrap this up as a zip file so others can supply tests
14:38:11 <pauld> yves: edit the makefile to add a new test report
14:38:51 <pauld> pauld: have a couple of tests up my sleeve from non-java kits
14:39:17 <pauld> pauld: thanks for all your hard work, I need to catch up with it
14:39:40 <pauld> agenda+ ISSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema
14:39:53 <pauld> s/agenda+/Topic:/
14:40:04 <pauld> pauld: nothing to report here, sorry
14:41:33 <pauld> .. interesting news from IBM: http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/purexml
14:41:51 <pauld> .. looks like work around the databinding for DB2
14:42:09 <pauld> .. does anyone have DB2 experience/expertise?
14:42:26 <pauld> gcowe: have some experience, but not using it currently
14:43:20 <pauld> pauld: haven't quite understood it, yet, looks interesting for us
14:45:22 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-103 - Cyclic References
14:45:42 <pauld> jonc: wondering about raising more complex issues
14:45:52 <pauld> .. around this issue
14:46:17 <pauld> jonc: has some Java to test this, should we be looking to reuse this - as a post-processing step?
14:46:27 <pauld> .. views anyone?
14:46:39 <pauld> gcowe: haven't looked at the java code you sent
14:47:22 <pauld> jonc: same issue applies to extension and element reference
14:51:10 <pauld> pauld: valid issue, rasied at the original workshop, but how do we test it, do we need Java?
14:52:02 <pauld> jonc: we could add this to the Java command which tests a schema
14:52:59 <pauld> pauld: other tests we could add for assertions, eg. UTF-8 
14:53:43 <pauld> pauld: is this a pattern or an assertion?
14:54:08 <pauld> jonc: I'd like to see this tested for as it's easily added almost by accident
14:54:45 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/basic/basic.html#assertionsummary
14:55:44 <pauld> pauld: note Philippe also added a useful appendix on the schema types and elements used within Basic and Advanced patterns 
14:57:47 <pauld> jonc: could be useful to cite the other examples
14:58:22 <pauld> pauld: think we could write something generically around the component model
14:58:58 <pauld> .. suggest adding the same constraint to the other examples
14:59:07 <pauld> pauld: is this for Basic or Advanced?
14:59:35 <pauld> jonc: pathalogically cyclic dependencies shouldn't be Basic
14:59:58 <pauld> .. e.g mandatory links
15:00:10 <pauld> .. with minOccurs="1"
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15:04:44 <Zakim> -George_Cowe
15:04:46 <Zakim> -Yves
15:04:47 <Zakim> -Paul_Downey
15:04:48 <Zakim> WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
15:04:50 <Zakim> Attendees were George_Cowe, Paul_Downey, Yves, +44.141.220.aaaa
15:04:59 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:04:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-databinding-minutes.html pauld
15:05:11 <pauld> rrsagent, make minutes public
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