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14:54:34 <leobard> hi
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14:55:11 <ivan> somebody is early
14:55:14 <ivan> dialing in...
14:55:23 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-617
14:55:23 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:55:24 <Zakim> +Ivan
14:55:44 <ivan> zakim, ??p1 is kingsley
14:55:44 <Zakim> +kingsley; got it
14:56:23 <Zakim> +Karen
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14:58:31 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
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14:58:52 <ivan> zakim, ibmcambridge is wing
14:58:53 <Zakim> +wing; got it
14:59:01 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is martin
14:59:02 <Zakim> +martin; got it
14:59:12 <Zakim> + +49.895.480.aabb
14:59:21 <ivan> zakim, aabb is dunja
14:59:22 <Zakim> +dunja; got it
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15:00:41 <Zakim> +Susie
15:01:25 <Susie> Regrets: Pasquale Popolizio, Dave Rooks, Uldis Bojars, Tassilo Pellegrini
15:02:04 <Zakim> +PaulaP
15:02:18 <Zakim> + +63.12.057.aacc
15:02:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:03:00 <kjetilk> Zakim, IPcaller is me
15:03:00 <Zakim> +kjetilk; got it
15:03:32 <leobard> I am scribe
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15:04:04 <ivan> scribenick: leobard
15:04:32 <Zakim> +Orri_Erling
15:05:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:19 <leobard> susie: kjetil: updates on community projects?
15:05:43 <bengee> Zakim, IPcaller is bengee
15:05:43 <Zakim> +bengee; got it
15:05:51 <leobard> kjetilk: a new text on the mailinglist about community projects
15:06:32 <leobard> susie: would it be good to organize a hacker community meeting to get things started?
15:07:14 <leobard> kjetilk: face to face is good, but I am not sure if travelling and ... is good for this
15:07:25 <leobard> susie: what about a conference and colocating it?
15:07:32 <leobard> kjetilk: perhaps ISWC/ESWC
15:08:08 <leobard> susie: There is the Semantic Technology conference
15:08:10 <PaulaP> one is Vienna, one in Innsbruck
15:08:24 <PaulaP> +1
15:08:25 <leobard> Dunitschka: the semantic technology is in vienna
15:09:04 <leobard> action: talk next week about possible conference on hacking
15:09:43 <Susie> Leo discussing what RDF formats to use for InfoGathering.
15:10:36 <Susie> Leo has problem in that there isn't concensus on the best approach
15:11:34 <leobard> kidehen: leo: my perspective is that when we locate resource that fall into different categories
15:12:07 <leobard> kidehen: the important thing is to be able to identify items like atom/rss
15:12:27 <leobard> kidehen: SIOC is being modified at the moment, it was motivated with dicsussion forums and blogs
15:12:38 <leobard> kidehen: SIOC we want to make it more generic
15:13:00 <leobard> kidehen: as long as it is a standard format, we will import it
15:13:18 <leobard> kidehen: there is no conflicts between SIOC and data
15:13:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:14:07 <ivan> q+
15:14:11 <danja> Zakim, [IPcaller] is danja
15:14:11 <Zakim> +danja; got it
15:14:24 <leobard> leobard: so lets use the current proposal of RDFvocabs and say we are open for more
15:14:38 <leobard> kidehen: I can put the data gathering software on a W3C server
15:14:58 <leobard> kidehen: part of dbpedia project, we can make a SWEO part of it
15:15:22 <leobard> ivan: first issue: checked the wiki, made some small additions
15:15:33 <leobard> ivan: one point is bibtex
15:16:13 <leobard> leobard: if we stress this now, I would go to the stuff bibsonomy.org uses
15:16:24 <leobard> ivan: I use bibsonomy.org, fine with me
15:16:41 <leobard> leobard: I have contact with them, we can fix bugs (Robert)
15:17:24 <leobard> ivan: second issue: kingsley was asking ... one thing is developing and installing it, second is maintaining it
15:17:41 <leobard> ivan: if its successfull, we have to be ready for a blast 
15:17:49 <leobard> ivan: we may face an overload
15:17:57 <danja> Zakim, mute me
15:17:57 <Zakim> danja should now be muted
15:18:04 <danja> (dog noise)
15:18:17 <leobard> ivan: we have to keep this running forever
15:18:29 <leobard> kidehen: temporary solution: I have servers
15:18:57 <leobard> kidehen: data is peanuts compared to what I already handle
15:19:09 <leobard> kidehen: my server provides a rdf dump
15:22:08 <leobard> leo: I see three steps, A is agree on a data format, B is gathering the source data, C is displaying it user friendly
15:22:22 <leobard> leo: A seems to be done, B and C have to be coordinated now
15:22:57 <leobard> kidehen: is there rdf sources out there?
15:23:09 <kidehen> yes
15:23:09 <leobard> ivan: there are... dave becket, book list, bibsonomy, ...
15:23:18 <leobard> ivan: w3c has some talks metadata
15:25:46 <leobard> leobard: if we as SWEO propose a format, people will love it
15:25:54 <leobard> leobard: we have to agree on A
15:26:43 <leobard> we need to updaet http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataVocabulary
15:26:50 <leobard> and http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/ClassificationOntology
15:27:53 <leobard> susie: I would like this is done next week, 
15:27:55 <danja> +1 to Susie - anything that can be turned into concrete actions is good
15:28:00 <leobard> susie: I would blog about the results
15:28:20 <leobard> action: discuss on this wiki pages until next week: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/ClassificationOntology
15:28:46 <leobard> action: finish discussion on this wiki page unitl next week: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataVocabulary
15:28:50 <Susie> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/
15:28:54 <danja> planetrdf++ !
15:29:21 <leobard> action: leobard: contact Alistair from SKOS if he has a decent SKOS editor
15:29:52 <danja> leobard, I suggest breaking out another page on the wiki
15:30:10 <leobard> danja: go for it
15:30:12 <danja> "Data sources" or similar, taking stuff from "Existing data and People involved" onwards
15:30:30 <leobard> danja: its on InformationGathering, scroll down
15:30:39 <leobard> danja: go to http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering
15:30:53 <leobard> susie: Karen, progress report?
15:31:00 <danja> yeah, but all on same page - could be split into more manageable chunks
15:31:13 <leobard> Karen: Wing and I are going to work more tomorrow
15:31:33 <leobard> danja: yes, do that! (please, do it, collaborate :-)
15:31:43 <bengee> there is only one skos editor atm, and it has to be installed locally afaik
15:31:44 <danja> leobard, ok :-)
15:32:04 <leobard> susie: use cases are slowly dropping in
15:32:26 <leobard> final report on use cases next week..
15:33:24 <leobard> susie: we made a more user friendly version of the bt use case
15:33:44 <leobard> susie: revised version of other use case just got back
15:33:48 <leobard> susie: total of four use cases
15:33:59 <leobard> susie: we have to format them before publishing
15:34:18 <leobard> action: susie - how to format the use cases before publishing
15:35:01 <leobard> ivan: ian gave us free hand, 
15:35:26 <leobard> ivan: we need someone with marketing experience
15:35:29 <danja> for reference - 
15:35:29 <danja> http://alistair.cockburn.us/index.php/Sampler_of_good_%26_bad_use_cases
15:35:51 <Karen> karen
15:35:51 <danja> (scroll down and it has guidelines)
15:36:13 <leobard> karen: I will look into the format
15:36:43 <leobard> action: susie - send Karen input for formatting use cases
15:37:30 <bengee> leobard, there is a skos editor called ThManager available at http://thmanager.sourceforge.net/
15:37:55 <leobard> bengee: please link this page from the classificationontology
15:38:00 <bengee> 'k
15:38:09 <Karen> +1 Susie
15:39:31 <leobard> susie: there was some feedback on FAQ
15:39:51 <leobard> kjetilk: there has been .... but its quite good as it is
15:40:26 <leobard> ivan: I took more input from ... and added it to the faq
15:40:45 <leobard> ivan: I would love more input comparing traditional search engines with semantic web
15:41:40 <Karen> q+
15:41:47 <ivan> ack ivan
15:41:56 <leobard> kidehen: I blogged about google base recently, its related
15:42:48 <leobard> action: kidehen write an e-mail to ivan about this blog post about google base
15:42:55 <danja> "Is the Semantic Web another search engine?"
15:43:05 <ivan> ack karen
15:43:13 <danja> Zakim, unmute me
15:43:13 <Zakim> danja should no longer be muted
15:43:14 <leobard> susie: I asked danny ayers to review FAQ
15:43:42 <leobard> Karen: there was confusion between search engines and semantic web
15:43:47 <danja> (make it an action item for me if you like)
15:44:06 <leobard> Karen: use cases showing a combination/reuse are good
15:44:37 <leobard> ivan: the postings about microformats are the approach that is good
15:45:05 <leobard> susie: danja to review faq
15:45:06 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:45:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see PaulaP (muted), +63.12.057.aacc, kjetilk, Orri_Erling, bengee, danja, kingsley, Ivan, Karen, wing, martin, dunja, Susie
15:45:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see bengee, PaulaP, Susie, danja, wing, Karen, Dunitschka, leobard, RRSAgent, Zakim, kidehen, kjetilk, martind, ivan, LeeF
15:45:41 <danja> there is another danja in LiveJournal (has FOAF) attractive Russian girl
15:45:59 <leobard> susie: anything else to say?
15:46:13 <PaulaP> bye
15:46:14 <Zakim> -Orri_Erling
15:46:15 <Zakim> -Susie
15:46:15 <Zakim> -kingsley
15:46:17 <Zakim> -Karen
15:46:17 <Zakim> -martin
15:46:18 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:46:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-sweo-minutes.html ivan
15:46:18 <Zakim> -wing
15:46:19 <Zakim> -dunja
15:46:19 <leobard> could someone say the magic to the bot?
15:46:22 <Zakim> -PaulaP
15:46:24 <Zakim> - +63.12.057.aacc
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15:46:28 <ivan> leo, I am doing it...
15:46:28 <Zakim> -kjetilk
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15:46:33 <Zakim> -danja
15:46:35 <Zakim> -bengee
15:46:35 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
15:46:35 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-sweo-actions.rdf :
15:46:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: talk next week about possible conference on hacking [1]
15:46:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-sweo-irc#T15-09-04
15:46:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: discuss on this wiki pages until next week: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/ClassificationOntology [2]
15:46:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-sweo-irc#T15-28-20
15:46:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: finish discussion on this wiki page unitl next week: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataVocabulary [3]
15:46:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-sweo-irc#T15-28-46
15:46:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: leobard: contact Alistair from SKOS if he has a decent SKOS editor [4]
15:46:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-sweo-irc#T15-29-21
15:46:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: susie - how to format the use cases before publishing [5]
15:46:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-sweo-irc#T15-34-18
15:46:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: susie - send Karen input for formatting use cases [6]
15:46:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-sweo-irc#T15-36-43
15:46:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kidehen write an e-mail to ivan about this blog post about google base [7]
15:46:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-sweo-irc#T15-42-48
15:46:35 <leobard> thx
15:46:45 <Zakim> -Ivan
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15:46:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, kingsley, Karen, +44.190.827.aaaa, wing, martin, +49.895.480.aabb, dunja, Susie, PaulaP, +63.12.057.aacc, kjetilk, Orri_Erling, bengee, danja
15:46:48 <ivan> zakim, bye
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