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15:46:42 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0000.html
15:46:46 <dom> Chair: Dom
15:46:52 <dom> Meeting: Mobile Web Test Suites WG Teleconf
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16:01:00 <dom> Zakim, ??P41 is dsilaev 
16:01:00 <Zakim> +dsilaev; got it
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16:01:43 <dom> Regrets: David Rooks
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16:02:51 <dom> ScribeNick: carmelo
16:03:43 <Zakim> +Allen
16:04:22 <dom> Topic: Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging
16:05:18 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/att-0029/mwi-test-framework.html Carmelo's test suite framework
16:05:31 <dom> Carmelo: conceived a few years ago, modified along time
16:05:40 <dom> ... used with XSLT, XML Query
16:05:48 <dom> ... modified a bit more to use in our effort
16:06:00 <dom> ... not complete, looking for feedback
16:06:14 <dom> ... Basically, it defines an XML file that describe a collection of test suites
16:06:31 <dom> ... each "test-collections" element describes a test suite
16:06:44 <dom> ... in our case, a test-collection element could point to the CSS MP test suite
16:07:19 <dom> ... each test-collection can have one or many "test-group"(s), with a URL, a title and a description
16:08:13 <dom> ... within each test group, one or more test-case that uniquely identifies a test case, with a name, a scenario (e.g. negative test, error triggering test, comparison test, visual test)
16:08:31 <dom> ... a description, a spec-citation refering back to the spec
16:09:14 <dom> ... possibly input/output files depending on the test
16:09:34 <dom> ... (cf the example at the end of the document)
16:09:41 <dom> ... Looking for feedback
16:11:25 <dom> ... This would allow us to track a comprehensive list of tests
16:11:41 <dom> ... There is a schema associated with that format that allows validation
16:11:48 <dom> ... and there is an XSLT to render it in HTML
16:12:41 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]
16:13:38 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send a pointer to how his framework is used in XML Query test suite
16:14:31 <dom> Dmitri: is this XML format expansible to contain link to results coming out of test execution?
16:14:40 <dom> s/expansible/extensible/
16:15:22 <dom> Carmelo: the XML file would link to test output files
16:16:20 <dom> Dmitri: we may need more extensibility to record more data (e.g. on which devices it applies)
16:16:26 <dom> ... but looks good for now
16:17:14 <dom> ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for the test suites [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [ONGOING]
16:21:45 <dom> ACTION: Dom to work on prototype of test navigation/results recording based on Allen's proposal
16:24:42 <carmelo> Carmelo - Described the cataloguing framework
16:25:14 <dom> Regrets+ Agenda
16:25:23 <carmelo> DOM had questions on tools available and possible use within our group.
16:25:45 <carmelo> Dimitri had a question on expected output and how to access them
16:26:19 <carmelo> Allen proposed and described a possible schema to navigate the test suite
16:26:27 <carmelo> based on Tests ID's
16:26:44 <dom> ACTION: Dom to try and get in touch with user agent developers (OpenWave and Nokia)
16:28:17 <dom> ACTION: Dom to run DOM test suites on his phones [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]
16:28:24 <carmelo> DOM had very little success with DOM
16:29:34 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0001.html Getting the DOM Test suite to work on mobile devices
16:31:48 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to look into transforming the XML into javascript files for making them easier to run on mobile devices
16:32:41 <carmelo> Carmelo explained a bit how the DOM test suite is organized (interms of XML instances)
16:34:07 <dom> ACTION: Till to get feedback from his Opera colleagues on making the Javascript more usable on mobile devices
16:35:58 <dom> ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]
16:36:06 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0002.html WCSS test suite survey from Till
16:36:56 <dom> q+ to ask for a comparison with the CSS Mobile Profile test suite
16:39:24 <dom> ack dom
16:39:24 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask for a comparison with the CSS Mobile Profile test suite
16:39:27 <carmelo> Till - Explained analisys of CSS Test Suite.  He ran on his phone
16:39:42 <carmelo> and found it very well structeure and well put together.
16:40:14 <carmelo> High quality test suite.
16:40:29 <dom> Till: WCSS test suite quite better than CSS Mobile Profile test suite; coverage is 98% (vs ~80% for CSS MP) and of high quality
16:40:37 <dom> ... relies less on font tricks or colors
16:41:55 <dom> ... I think we should focus on the WCSS test suite - political matters aside
16:42:31 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [ONGOING]
16:43:38 <dom> Carmelo: will send notes I took on this
16:44:25 <Zakim> -Carmelo
16:44:39 <dom> ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on the test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]
16:44:59 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2007Mar/0000.html Cooperating on improving the CSS MP Test Suite?
16:46:37 <dom> Dom: how should we proceed, given Till's analysis?
16:46:51 <dom> Till: I think we're interested in both
16:47:07 <dom> ... I don't think we should forget CSS MP, but maybe not put too much effort in it
16:48:04 <dom> Dom: more to the point, would you be willing to put some of your time in improving this test suite?
16:48:22 <dom> Till: would be willing to, but it's not clear this is the way to go
16:48:40 <dom> ... maybe we should survey the group on what is the proper way to go
16:49:28 <dom> Dom: maybe bind that to the feedback we get from other ua dev?
16:49:58 <dom> ACTION: Dom to ask for feedback on WCSS vs CSS MP Test Suite?
16:50:28 <dom> Topic: Open testing framework for the Mobile Web
16:50:56 <dom> ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [DONE]
16:51:06 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0032.html Announcement of survey
16:51:16 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/mwits/results?view=compact Results of the survey
16:54:29 <dom> Topic: Next teleconf
16:55:33 <dom> Dom: beware of change of time
16:56:20 <Zakim> -dom
16:56:22 <Zakim> -Till
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16:56:27 <dom> Zakim, list attendees
16:56:32 <Zakim> -dsilaev
16:56:36 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
16:56:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Carmelo, dom, dsilaev, Till, Allen
16:56:38 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:56:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html dom
16:56:46 <Zakim> sorry, dom, I don't know what conference this is
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17:02:54 <dom> Zakim, bye
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17:02:55 <dom> RRSAgent, bye
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-actions.rdf :
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] [1]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-12-41
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to send a pointer to how his framework is used in XML Query test suite [2]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-13-38
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for the test suites [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [ONGOING] [3]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-17-14
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to work on prototype of test navigation/results recording based on Allen's proposal [4]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-21-45
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to try and get in touch with user agent developers (OpenWave and Nokia) [5]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-26-44
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to run DOM test suites on his phones [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [DONE] [6]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-28-17
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to look into transforming the XML into javascript files for making them easier to run on mobile devices [7]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-31-48
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Till to get feedback from his Opera colleagues on making the Javascript more usable on mobile devices [8]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-34-07
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] [9]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-35-58
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [ONGOING] [10]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-42-31
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on the test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE] [11]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-44-39
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to ask for feedback on WCSS vs CSS MP Test Suite? [12]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-49-58
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [DONE] [13]
17:02:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc#T16-50-56