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14:46:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
14:46:53 <trackbot> Date: 06 March 2007
14:57:56 <pauld> ping
14:58:13 <pauld> zakim, code?
14:58:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld
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15:00:31 <pauld> zakim, aaaa is me
15:00:31 <Zakim> +pauld; got it
15:00:48 <Zakim> +George_Cowe
15:01:15 <pauld> zakim, who's here?
15:01:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see pauld, George_Cowe
15:01:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see gcowe, Zakim, RRSAgent, pauld, Yves, trackbot
15:04:58 <Zakim> +Yves
15:05:07 <Zakim> +Jon_Calladine
15:06:00 <pauld> scribe: pauld
15:06:06 <pauld> Topic: Administrivia
15:06:55 <pauld> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2007Mar/0003.html
15:07:06 <pauld> chair: pauld
15:08:08 <pauld> minutes from last two telcons and the F2F approved
15:10:01 <pauld> gcowe: suggested F2F 18-20 April
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15:11:31 <Zakim> -Jon_Calladine
15:12:04 <pauld> zakim, aabb is Jon_Calladine
15:12:04 <Zakim> +Jon_Calladine; got it
15:13:22 <pauld> pauld: heard a lot of love for the WG at the Workshop last week
15:13:35 <pauld> .. challenge is to turn that into participation
15:14:38 <pauld> .. maybe we could have an event to promote our work to implementers
15:15:05 <pauld> jonc: a day at a F2F, maybe May-June to promote our testsuite sounds good
15:16:21 <pauld> gcowe: are we ready for that, we need to do more work to be in a position to run an event
15:17:12 <pauld> pauld: a F2F to prepare our testsuite and documentation might be a good way forward
15:18:13 <pauld> pauld: I'd like to get XFire and WSO2 onto a test report and have them compete to interoperate
15:18:38 <pauld> jonc: would that encourage others to participate?
15:19:23 <pauld> jonc: a publicised webinar might not involve commitment
15:19:53 <pauld> pauld: a screencast might be a good way forward, something can run in their own home
15:22:58 <pauld> .. show checking of a schema using the patterns detection service, running a test of Axis2
15:23:27 <pauld> yves: publishing a report would help a lot - people will send comments
15:24:17 <pauld> Topic: Test Suite
15:24:37 <pauld> jonc: been looking for missing patterns in our WSDLs
15:25:08 <pauld> .. choice still being throw up by different usage of choice
15:25:39 <pauld> .. choice with different cardinalities
15:26:04 <pauld> pauld: are you making the patterns more generic, or adding more patterns?
15:27:09 <pauld> .. just tred carefully making the patterns too generic
15:27:59 <pauld> gcowe: need to look into this further
15:28:10 <pauld> pauld: best to build up with fine grained pattersn
15:28:45 <pauld> s/ersn/erns/
15:28:50 <pauld> Topic: test report
15:29:14 <pauld> yves: been working on the checking of the response XML to request XML
15:29:28 <pauld> .. attributeDefault required a specific check
15:29:40 <pauld> .. close to having something "good enough"
15:30:10 <pauld> .. ready to work on aggregation
15:30:37 <pauld> .. verification is based on the example name, e.g integer triggers integer comparison
15:31:36 <pauld> pauld: working on pattern detection for schemas in the wild
15:34:11 <pauld> Topic: running the test
15:34:27 <pauld> pauld: toolkit.xml excludes examples which cause barfing
15:35:49 <pauld> .. runit HTTP POSTs instance documents and builds output.xml
15:36:32 <pauld> pauld: as usual I'm the weakest link, but you guys are making me look bad, so that's good news
15:37:19 <pauld> gcowe: so the one service does all the operations?
15:37:22 <pauld> pauld: yes
15:37:48 <pauld> gcowe: barf-dancing for Axis took an hour and a half with the deploy/undeploy step
15:38:01 <pauld> Topic: Last Call Comments
15:38:16 <pauld> pauld: still not updated EXIT, sorry!
15:38:31 <pauld> pauld: have had some new comments
15:39:05 <pauld> pauld: philippe asked "is choice a basic pattern"
15:40:12 <pauld> pauld: difficult to tell at present, philippe has offered to help build a table at the end of the spec for the use of each schema element
15:41:29 <pauld> pauld: Hugo also commented on the complexity of XPaths, I'll try and tidy them up, and write an introduction 
15:41:44 <pauld> jonc: we've found that some XPaths have to be complex
15:42:46 <pauld> jonc: we've found the XPath reported for "unknowns" isn't always valid
15:43:44 <pauld> gcowe: it looks like an XPath, but maybe the stylesheet is breaking the lines up and making them invalid?
15:44:35 <pauld> pauld: sounds like a bug! I wrote that code, maybe you could send mail and I'll fix it
15:45:58 <pauld> jonc: a certain toolkit "voldermort" is rejecting our schemas, which contain circular references 
15:46:41 <pauld> .. can we write an XPath to detect that?
15:46:58 <pauld> pauld: possibly within a single schema document
15:47:06 <pauld> .. or a WSDL
15:47:22 <pauld> .. but not with import and include, not easily that is
15:47:33 <pauld> .. we have the same issue with include
15:47:55 <pauld> pauld: we could apply an assertion
15:48:45 <pauld> .. we need to add assertions to the validation service -for encoding etc
15:49:08 <pauld> jonc: would circular dependencies and mandatory links is asking for trouble
15:49:38 <pauld> .. minOccurs="n>0" is asking for trouble
15:50:10 <pauld> pauld: raise an issue
15:52:59 <pauld> we'll meet again in two weeks time
15:53:17 <pauld> ADJOURED
15:53:26 <Zakim> -pauld
15:53:27 <Zakim> -Jon_Calladine
15:53:29 <Zakim> -Yves
15:53:36 <Zakim> -George_Cowe
15:53:37 <Zakim> WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
15:53:38 <Zakim> Attendees were +0791888aaaa, pauld, George_Cowe, Yves, Jon_Calladine, +44.131.313.aabb
15:53:49 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:53:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-databinding-minutes.html pauld
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