IRC log of ws-addr on 2007-03-05

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20:57:16 [bob]
zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
20:57:16 [Zakim]
ok, bob; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference
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Chair: Bob Freund
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WS_AddrWG()4:00PM has now started
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zakim, mute ??P8
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??P8 should now be muted
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zakim, ??P7 is katy
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+katy; got it
21:04:11 [MrGoodner]
that would help :-)
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zakim, ??P8 is MrGoodner
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+MrGoodner; got it
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zakim, unmute ?p8
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sorry, plh, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ?p8
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zakim, unmute mrgoodner
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MrGoodner should no longer be muted
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Regrets: Tony, Anish
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I have made the request to generate plh
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Meeting: WS-Addressing
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Topic: Last Call issue
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scribe: bob
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Present: Gilbert_Pilz, Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Plh, Chris_Ferris, Dave_Hull, katy, MrGoodner, Tom Rutt
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-> Consolodated list of Alternatives A thru D to resolved WS ADDR LC comment
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TomR: Major point is to make all of the assertions requirements
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... The first two are probably non-starters
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... I do not want to spend time on alternative a since it has problems
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... Alternative b is just like a and has similiar problems.
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... Alternative c can be made to work, but I think that its use-case is fairly small.
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... Alternative d is my preference.
21:12:45 [Katy]
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21:14:06 [bob]
... These proposals pertain to the response message and can handle mixed alternatives since it pertains to a single exchange
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zakim, ??P1 is paco
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+paco; got it
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Katy: I think that we have been over this ground before, I think that we established a need.
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TomR: I think that you need to come up with a use case when a server needs to specify a delayed response.
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Katy: The case is a server behind a firewall
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TomR: How would it get the request in the first case?
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TomR: Is that use case strong enough to support this alternative?
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MarcG: We have not talked about informational items expressed as parameters.
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21:18:56 [bob]
zakim, who is making noise?
21:19:07 [Zakim]
bob, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gilbert_Pilz (34%), Bob_Freund (28%), Chris_Ferris (31%)
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ack katy
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ack gpilz
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TomR: I guess parameters can be alternative e
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Gil: Features should be weighed against their usefulness and necessity
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ack david
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David: In terms of use cases, Anish mentioned one where a service might take a long time to develop a response.
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ack tru
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ack gpi
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Gil: Parameters are low cost, but the default intersection algorithm will not deal with them.
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TomR: Parameters will be passed to you.
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ack cfer
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Cfer: Although I am in favor of E, one must be aware of the cost.
21:25:04 [David_Illsley]
21:25:36 [bob]
... The cost is the need to understand the interpretation of the parameters.
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... on the other hand, dealing with all of the combinatorial mechanics, one might end up with a rediculously comples think
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ack mrg
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MarcG: I do not think that we need to define the logic, it might be good enough to convey the information
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ack gpilz
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Gil: I support alternative e and to break down the parameters to fine granularity
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ack tru
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TomR: Do we need the complexity, isn't it enough to express what the server supports, after all, the client picks.
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ack katy
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ack dhu
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21:32:50 [David_Illsley]
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ack tru
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ack david
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Bob: Are there any objections to alternative e?
21:35:57 [gpilz]
q+ - to ask a question
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q- -
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q+ gil to ask a question
21:37:11 [bob]
Gil: if it just says "addressing" and there are no parameters, what does it mean?
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ack gil
21:37:19 [Zakim]
gil, you wanted to ask a question
21:39:12 [bob]
action: TomR to craft some new language utilizing policy parameters by tomorrow
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Topic: WS-Naming
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plh: WS-Naming claims to profile ws-addressing, but violates ws-addressing
21:44:03 [bob]
action: distribute "key points" in ws-naming
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21:45:06 [bob]
Next meeting to be March 19
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21:45:47 [bob]
rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate bob
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WS_AddrWG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Gilbert_Pilz, Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Plh, Chris_Ferris, Dave_Hull, katy, MrGoodner, Tom_Rutt, paco, Paul_Knight, [IPcaller]
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