IRC log of rdfa on 2007-03-05

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13:49:37 [RalphS]

Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

13:49:46 [RalphS]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Mar/0013.html

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-> http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes Previous 2007-02-12

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rrsagent, please make record public

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13:54:49 [mhausenblas]

zakim, who is on the call?

13:54:49 [Zakim]

SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has not yet started, mhausenblas

13:54:50 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Steven_, RRSAgent, Zakim, RalphS, mhausenblas, Simone

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13:59:22 [Steven_]

, XForms Working Group, W3C

13:59:48 [Steven_]

sorry, ignore that

14:00:01 [Steven_]

s/, XForms Working Group, W3C//

14:00:05 [Zakim]

SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has now started

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+Ralph

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+??P5

14:00:43 [RalphS]

zakim, ??p5 is Michael

14:00:43 [Zakim]

+Michael; got it

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+[IBMCambridge]

14:00:56 [RalphS]

zakim, ibm is Wing

14:00:56 [Zakim]

sorry, RalphS, I do not recognize a party named 'ibm'

14:01:02 [RalphS]

zakim, ibmcambridge is Wing

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+Wing; got it

14:01:13 [Steven_]

zakim, dial steven-617

14:01:14 [Zakim]

ok, Steven_; the call is being made

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+Steven

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+[IPcaller]

14:01:51 [Simone]

Zakim, Ipcaller is Simone

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+Simone; got it

14:02:08 [Zakim]

+Ben_Adida

14:03:13 [RalphS]

Chair: Ben

14:03:35 [RalphS]

zakim, pick a victim

14:03:35 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Michael

14:03:47 [RalphS]

Scribe: Ralph

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+EliasT

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Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:04:25 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ralph, Michael, Wing, Steven, Simone, Ben_Adida, EliasT

14:05:26 [benadida]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Mar/0013.html

14:05:29 [RalphS]

Simone: my name is pronounced (as Ralph hears it) "see moan eh"

14:06:13 [RalphS]

Topic: Action Items

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ACTION: Michael to prepare RDF/XML - RDFa comparison wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]

14:07:01 [RalphS]

Michael: I agreed to support that action for Ben

14:07:01 [mhausenblas]

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/#sec4 RiR

14:07:35 [Zakim]

+??P15

14:07:38 [RalphS]

Michael: RiR is meant to be a list of features supported by RDFa

14:07:39 [MarkB_]

zakim, i am ?

14:07:39 [Zakim]

+MarkB_; got it

14:07:55 [RalphS]

... e.g. containers probably are 'in', reification is probably 'out'

14:08:20 [RalphS]

... I can add more detail to the list and I may have missed some features

14:08:52 [RalphS]

Ben: TimBL might add some examples of N3 that cannot be expressed in RDFa

14:09:08 [RalphS]

... what are the 'levels' meant to indicate?

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Michael: links point to QA document

14:09:29 [RalphS]

... allows for incremental enhancement of a spec

14:09:58 [RalphS]

Ben: I worry this idea of 'levels' might imply more complication than there really is

14:10:39 [RalphS]

Michael: we should decide whether to say 'this is all we support and no more' or indicate possible future features

14:10:52 [RalphS]

-- continues

14:11:31 [RalphS]

Ralph: is it still useful to have a Wiki page so the community can edit?

14:11:39 [RalphS]

Ben: I think so

14:11:56 [RalphS]

Michael: I can prepare a discussion of this in the Wiki

14:12:13 [RalphS]

... don't want to duplicate work

14:12:20 [RalphS]

[DONE] ACTION: Ralph to check if the test suite can be hosted at the W3C--is Tomcat available? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

14:12:56 [RalphS]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Feb/0130.html action progress: test suite hosting [Ralph 2007-02-26]

14:13:04 [RalphS]

ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action07]

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-- continues

14:15:22 [RalphS]

ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]

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-- continues

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[WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Ben to contemplate about the Dev Track [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

14:16:04 [RalphS]

Ben: I thought about it so long that I missed the deadline

14:16:37 [RalphS]

... I might talk during the W3C track

14:16:41 [RalphS]

ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]

14:16:43 [RalphS]

-- continues

14:17:11 [RalphS]

Ben: making some progress; Use Case document updated to include a little bit of Science Commons example

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... still hope for a big realistic example to include

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ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule on wiki to aim for last call on June 1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action05]

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-- continues

14:17:35 [RalphS]

Ben: I'd like feedback on this

14:17:48 [RalphS]

ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action12]

14:18:16 [RalphS]

Elias: I also am looking for a use case that adds more specifics

14:18:32 [RalphS]

... deciding whether to go to WWW2007 or XTech; I submitted an RDFa/GRDDL talk

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Ben: a Use Case can be more abstract; can show "here's the triples we'd like to produce"

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ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action13]

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-- continues

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ACTION: Michael continue work on the FAQ template that Elias started [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action15]

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-- continues

14:21:53 [mhausenblas]

-> http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#FAQ RDFa FAQ

14:22:47 [RalphS]

Ben: Simone, comments on the FAQ from your new fresh eyes would be especially useful

14:23:06 [RalphS]

Topic: Latest Documents (Primer and Scenarios)

14:23:20 [RalphS]

Ben: I commited new updates to Primer and Scenarios on Friday

14:23:29 [RalphS]

... mostly editorial, related to comments received

14:23:30 [Zakim]

-EliasT

14:23:59 [RalphS]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Mar/0004.html Update to RDFa Scenarios, including response to Comments [Ben 2007-03-02]

14:24:07 [Zakim]

+EliasT

14:24:18 [RalphS]

Ben: one comment remaining on clarifying the predicates should be cleaned up

14:24:34 [RalphS]

... the document currently assumes namespaced classes

14:24:51 [RalphS]

... are we comfortable enough with this to publish these WDs as they are?

14:25:13 [RalphS]

Ralph: "publish, publish, publish" It's not going to be perfect

14:26:13 [RalphS]

Steven: don't say I didn't warn you

14:27:13 [Zakim]

-EliasT

14:27:18 [RalphS]

Ralph: WAI-ARIA is emphasizing use of @role, so I certainly don't think this discussion is over

14:27:23 [RalphS]

... but let's publish and get comments

14:27:34 [EliasT]

EliasT: I'm +1 to publishing. (dialing back in)

14:27:42 [RalphS]

PROPOSE: publish Primer and Scenarios as WDs

14:27:43 [mhausenblas]

+1

14:27:45 [wing]

+1

14:27:47 [RalphS]

+1

14:27:47 [Simone]

+1

14:27:59 [Zakim]

+EliasT

14:28:07 [RalphS]

Steven: warning, re: use of @class

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RESOLVED Ask WG to publish Primer and Scenarios as WDs

14:29:03 [RalphS]

Ben: I would like to respond to Antiones comment about multiple @rel and @property before publishing; I think it is one sentence

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s/Antoines/Antoine's/

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Topic: Test Suite Update

14:29:58 [RalphS]

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/ RDFa Test Suite

14:30:08 [RalphS]

Ben: we're not providing enough feedback on the test suite

14:30:09 [mhausenblas]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Mar/0010.html

14:30:20 [RalphS]

Michael: DanC has given us lots of test suite feedback

14:30:37 [Zakim]

-MarkB_

14:30:50 [RalphS]

... I'd like us to settle whether we're going to try to do conformance testing or not

14:30:51 [MarkB_]

back in a sec

14:31:29 [RalphS]

... I would like just to claim that "any tool that claims to be RDFa-compliant has to correctly parse all the test cases"

14:31:45 [RalphS]

... i.e. test suite is necessary but may not be sufficient

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s/test/passing test/

14:32:15 [RalphS]

... DanC was commenting about what conformance testing could or should be

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... he felt that we could not do conformance testing

14:32:53 [RalphS]

... I hope to prove that something is conforming but not to try to prove non-conformance

14:33:24 [RalphS]

... many specifications already provide conformance tests, though perhaps not as strong as what I envision

14:33:41 [Zakim]

+??P16

14:33:43 [MarkB_]

zakim, i am ?

14:33:44 [RalphS]

Elias: is the problem just because of the word "conformance"? If so, let's drop that word

14:33:44 [Zakim]

+MarkB_; got it

14:34:01 [RalphS]

Michael: look at -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Mar/0010.html my response to Dan

14:34:41 [RalphS]

... an agent that claims to be RDFa-aware must pass the test suite, but passing the test suite does not guarantee the agent is conforming

14:34:52 [RalphS]

Ben: what is the GRDDL test suite called?

14:35:32 [RalphS]

Elias: W3C does not bless implementations, so we're not required to do conformance tests

14:35:40 [RalphS]

... all we need to do is provide guidance to developers

14:35:59 [RalphS]

Steven: the real reason for a test suite is to test the _specification_

14:36:56 [benadida]

RalphS: I agree with Steven. DanC has used the test suite to determine how the WG has responded to a question.

14:37:05 [benadida]

... if a question is raised, one should develop a test to show how to answer it

14:37:28 [benadida]

... Dan has encouraged us to write a test case in response to any technical discussion.

14:38:04 [mhausenblas]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa/2007Mar/0004.html Conformance testing discussion on QA

14:38:29 [RalphS]

Ben: so this seems to be about the usage of the term "conformance"

14:38:57 [Zakim]

-EliasT

14:39:00 [RalphS]

... I recommend continuing to build the input/output tests but drop the word "conformance"

14:39:54 [Zakim]

+EliasT

14:40:48 [RalphS]

Michael: an agent can always trick the test suite by producing exactly what it requires yet not be a true implementation

14:41:12 [RalphS]

Ben: so the test suite is to help developers, help test the specification, but *not* to test implementations

14:41:25 [RalphS]

Elias: the SPARQL test suite gives a set of files and the expected output

14:41:43 [RalphS]

... every SPARQL developer downloads the test suite and runs it themselves, then they can debate the test suite

14:42:10 [MarkB_]

q+

14:42:55 [RalphS]

... the SPARQL test suite does not invoke any code; it's just the input and expected output

14:42:56 [mhausenblas]

q+ on Test Runner

14:43:18 [mhausenblas]

q+ to demo Test Runner

14:43:27 [RalphS]

Mark: I agree that input and expected output is what Michael was doing but I don't think that is all we should do

14:43:46 [RalphS]

... I'd like to provide an interface for people to test their endpoints

14:44:08 [RalphS]

... concerned about only REST-based endpoint, as we haven't specified a REST requirement

14:44:27 [RalphS]

... we shoudl stop at just describing inputs and outputs

14:44:34 [RalphS]

s/shoudl/should/

14:45:01 [RalphS]

... the other side of what Dan is getting at is 'anytime we mention RDFa in a document we should add to the test suite'

14:45:25 [RalphS]

... the moment we create a sample or a line of text in a paragraph, reflect this in the test suite with an input and output document

14:45:46 [RalphS]

Ben: are you suggesting we drop the REST test harness?

14:46:05 [RalphS]

Mark: no, it's useful but don't make it mandatory

14:46:18 [RalphS]

... the REST harness should not be "the test suite" itself

14:46:26 [mhausenblas]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/testcases/rdfa-test-manifest.rdf

14:46:38 [RalphS]

Michael: agree. First we should look at the manifest file

14:46:49 [mhausenblas]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/testcases/

14:46:59 [RalphS]

... rdfa-test-manifest is the source; everything else is generated by Wing's script

14:47:09 [mhausenblas]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/run-tc.html

14:47:11 [wing]

test case results are still TTL

14:47:38 [RalphS]

... test runner is supplemental; it just helps test REST-based endpoints, but I'm happy to move the test runner elsewhere

14:47:49 [RalphS]

... the mandatory part is just the manifest and the test case directory

14:48:10 [RalphS]

... we've taken Mark's suggestion to add a SPARQL query to test that the expected triples are present

14:49:06 [RalphS]

... the test asssertions are generated from the manifest

14:49:29 [RalphS]

Elias: what property is available in the manifest to cite, e.g. the irc log where we discuss a test?

14:49:35 [mhausenblas]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/#RDFaTests

14:50:06 [RalphS]

Michael: see 'status'

14:50:19 [RalphS]

Elias: I'm looking for a property that describes why the test was written

14:50:26 [mhausenblas]

pls choose one from http://www.w3.org/QA/2005/08/test-case-metadata.html

14:50:30 [RalphS]

Wing: we can use seeAlso

14:51:04 [RalphS]

Elias: also record when we accepted or rejected a test

14:51:42 [RalphS]

ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test

14:51:52 [EliasT]

Zakim, mute me

14:51:52 [Zakim]

EliasT should now be muted

14:52:07 [RalphS]

Mark: sounds like we're moving closer to a W3C test ontology

14:52:15 [RalphS]

Wing: yep, we've been following that

14:52:24 [RalphS]

Ben: are we outputting RDFa on the test suite page? :)

14:52:32 [RalphS]

Michael: we've thought about that but aren't doing it yet

14:53:04 [RalphS]

Topic: XHTML 1.1 Module Update

14:53:14 [RalphS]

Mark: there's a document describing the modularization

14:53:24 [RalphS]

... I've given comments to Shane

14:53:33 [RalphS]

... sadly, Shane is ill right now

14:53:48 [RalphS]

... he had agreed to write the schemas

14:54:21 [RalphS]

... the RDFa schemas I wrote don't (yet) drop in smoothly

14:54:54 [RalphS]

... I will work on this myself in Shane's absence

14:55:29 [RalphS]

... I won't be able to pick this up again until next week

14:55:56 [RalphS]

... I'll do the schemas and then we can review

14:56:14 [RalphS]

Ben: would March 19 be a reasonable date to expect to see update schemas?

14:56:34 [RalphS]

Mark: I have had schemas on my server but they're old

14:56:48 [RalphS]

Ben: we should have some versions published in the W3C process to get feedback

14:56:58 [RalphS]

... I don't want this to be a rushed, last-minute thing

14:57:17 [RalphS]

Mark: the work on XHTML modularization has been underway for a long time

14:58:30 [RalphS]

Ben: people will be looking at every little detail when we go to REC

14:58:50 [RalphS]

Mark: the draft is the primary thing; Shane has aligned this with the latest XHTML Modularization spec

14:59:03 [RalphS]

... we won't gain by getting people to look at year-old schemas

14:59:24 [RalphS]

... point people to Shane's draft now

14:59:41 [RalphS]

Ben: so let's hope to have schemas updated by March 19

14:59:47 [Steven_]

Time

15:00:22 [RalphS]

Mark: I'll have the schemas done by March 12

15:00:32 [RalphS]

ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action14]

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ACTION: Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us where [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]

15:00:46 [RalphS]

scribenick: benadida

15:00:48 [Zakim]

-Ralph

15:01:30 [mhausenblas]

Topic: 5. Setting a Schedule

15:01:34 [mhausenblas]

next week

15:01:42 [Zakim]

-EliasT

15:02:40 [Zakim]

-Steven

15:03:05 [benadida]

Mark's mashup demo

15:03:18 [benadida]

MarkB: asked to demonstrate SideWinder

15:03:43 [benadida]

... framework to put together application "widgets"

15:03:50 [benadida]

... how do you get RDF? While you're browsing, etc...

15:04:10 [benadida]

... sidebar in IE and, while you're browsing, looks for RDFa in main window

15:04:36 [benadida]

... converts it, stores it, and different running sidewinder applications can run queries

15:04:59 [benadida]

... to pull data out. Example: google map that periodically maps events browsed.

15:05:19 [benadida]

... browsing process adds triples as you go, don't pay any attention.

15:05:26 [benadida]

... separate process renders items found.

15:05:42 [benadida]

... next stage is to combine that with previous data.

15:05:49 [benadida]

... parser also does microformat processing.

15:06:27 [benadida]

... main thing we're trying to do is to build stuff into the browser.

15:07:12 [benadida]

... no demo just yet, but working on it soon.

15:09:25 [Zakim]

-Wing

15:09:26 [Zakim]

-Simone

15:09:27 [Zakim]

-Michael

15:09:27 [Zakim]

-MarkB_

15:09:30 [Zakim]

-Ben_Adida

15:09:31 [Zakim]

SW_SWD(RDFa)9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Ralph, Michael, Wing, Steven, Simone, Ben_Adida, EliasT, MarkB_

15:09:41 [benadida]

zakim, please draft minutes

15:09:41 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'please draft minutes', benadida

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ADJOURNED

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15:29:59 [Steven]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:29:59 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

15:33:54 [Steven]

s/Scribe: Ralph/Scribe: RalphS/

15:33:59 [Steven]

rrsagnet, make minutes

15:34:07 [Steven]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:34:07 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

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15:37:35 [Steven]

s/Antiones/Antoine's/

15:37:45 [Steven]

s/04 01rrsagnet, make minutes//

15:37:52 [Steven]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:37:52 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html Steven

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17:17:10 [Steven]

rrsagent, bye

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-actions.rdf :

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Michael to prepare RDF/XML - RDFa comparison wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action09] [1]

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-irc#T14-06-51

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action07] [2]

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-irc#T14-13-04

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] [3]

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-irc#T14-15-22

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [4]

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-irc#T14-16-41

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule on wiki to aim for last call on June 1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action05] [5]

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-irc#T14-17-28

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action12] [6]

17:17:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-irc#T14-17-48

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ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action13] [7]

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ACTION: Michael continue work on the FAQ template that Elias started [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action15] [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-irc#T14-21-01

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ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-irc#T14-51-42

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ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action14] [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-irc#T15-00-32

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ACTION: Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us where [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action06] [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-irc#T15-00-39