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19:58:25 <MichaelC> meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
19:58:34 <MichaelC> chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden
19:58:57 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JanMar/0091.html
19:59:12 <MichaelC> scribeOptions: -scribeOnly -final
19:59:27 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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20:00:15 <Zakim> +[IBM]
20:00:16 <MichaelC> regrets: Sorcha_Moore
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20:00:34 <Zakim> +Don_Evans
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20:00:54 <MichaelC> zakim, IPCaller is David_MacDonald
20:00:54 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald; got it
20:01:07 <MichaelC> zakim, IBM is Andi_Snow-Weaver
20:01:07 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
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20:03:10 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
20:03:14 <bengt> zakim, [IPcaller is Bengt_Farre
20:03:14 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
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20:04:25 <Zakim> + +7.971.aaaa
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20:05:07 <MichaelC> zakim, +7.971 is Sean_Hayes
20:05:07 <Zakim> +Sean_Hayes; got it
20:05:12 <bengt> lokal number
20:06:11 <Zakim> +??P17
20:06:24 <Zakim> +??P16
20:06:26 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P17 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:06:26 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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20:06:39 <rellero_> 10 01zakim, ??P16 is Roberto_Ellero
20:06:49 <MichaelC> zakim, Gregg has Ben_Caldwell
20:06:49 <Zakim> +Ben_Caldwell; got it
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20:07:05 <rellero_> zakim, ??P16 is Roberto_Ellero
20:07:05 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:07:14 <rellero_> zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
20:07:14 <Zakim> Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
20:08:03 <MichaelC> scribe: Christophe_Strobbe
20:08:32 <MichaelC> agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
20:08:42 <MichaelC> take up item 1
20:09:25 <MichaelC> agenda+ Team C Proposals for 8 February 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070208-teamc/results>
20:09:47 <MichaelC> agenda+ Team B Survey for 15 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb20070215/results>
20:10:14 <MichaelC> agenda+ 15 February 2007 Level Change Proposals <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2007feb15levels/results>
20:11:42 <MichaelC> Keyword report: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/keyword_report.php
20:13:34 <Zakim> +??P18
20:13:50 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P18 is Cynthia_Shelly
20:13:50 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
20:14:01 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
20:14:20 <MichaelC> gv: much progress on issues - see how much shorter the keyword report is http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/keyword_report.php
20:15:24 <MichaelC> ... need to document rationales
20:15:41 <MichaelC> lgr: working on closing issues asap
20:16:02 <MichaelC> ... have some difficult issues that we might not be able to resolve, and should defer to future version
20:16:33 <MichaelC> ... while we have small number of issues remaining, they're the most difficult ones; they won't get easier for waiting so we've gotta push
20:16:46 <MichaelC> de: some too important to push off
20:17:13 <MichaelC> cs: thought we weren't doing WCAG 3
20:18:38 <MichaelC> gv: need to achieve consensus on these issues, delay when absolutely necessary
20:19:06 <MichaelC> lgr: some problems we don't know how to solve, e.g., cognitive, think better to deal with them later than hold WCAG 2 open
20:20:01 <MichaelC> gv: and technologies may evolve in ways we can't predict
20:21:14 <Andi> q+
20:24:30 <Andi> ack a
20:25:26 <Christophe> scribe: Christophe_Strobbe
20:25:43 <Christophe> zakim, next agendum
20:25:43 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Team C Proposals for 8 February 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070208-teamc/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
20:26:09 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
20:26:32 <Christophe> Topic: LC-764: whitespace alt
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20:26:56 <MichaelC> scribe: Christophe
20:27:15 <Christophe> Resolution: LC-764 closed with unanimous consent
20:27:43 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1169: pausing vs stopping
20:29:52 <David_MacDonald> zakim, mute me
20:29:52 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should now be muted
20:30:33 <David_MacDonald> zakim, unmute me
20:30:33 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
20:30:38 <David_MacDonald> q+
20:30:58 <Gregg> ack d
20:33:17 <Christophe> Resolution: leave LC-1169 open
20:33:27 <David_MacDonald> zakim. mute me
20:33:34 <David_MacDonald> zakim, mute me
20:33:34 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should now be muted
20:34:36 <Christophe> ACTION: Andi to create wording that requires restart only for non-decorative content (issue LC-1169)
20:35:01 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1238: Unable to reach mechanism to stop time limit in time
20:43:53 <David_MacDonald> zakim, unmute me
20:43:53 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
20:44:41 <Christophe> Resolution: close issue LC-1238 by not adding the failure and by adding the phrase "before encountering it" to the first two bullets of SC 2.2.1
20:45:39 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1078
20:52:09 <Christophe> ACTION: David to incorporate comments from survey.
20:52:55 <Christophe> zakim, next agendum
20:52:55 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Team B Survey for 15 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb20070215/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
20:53:27 <Christophe> Topic: SC 1.4.5, SC 1.4.6: scale down as well as up
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21:01:53 <Christophe> Resolution: accept as proposed
21:02:07 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
21:02:27 <Christophe> Action: Gregg and Sean to discuss 1.4..6 regarding proposal to remove it
21:02:55 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1040 and LC-1249: Conformance scoping
21:04:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:04:08 <Makoto> zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
21:04:08 <Zakim> +Becky_Gibson
21:04:09 <Zakim> +Makoto_Ueki; got it
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21:06:29 <ben_> zakim, who's making noise?
21:06:41 <Zakim> ben_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alex_Li (89%)
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21:10:52 <Christophe> Resolution: accept LC-1040 and LC-1249 as ammended
21:11:13 <Christophe> Topic: LC-692: testing methodology
21:13:44 <Christophe> Resolution: close LC-692 as ammended
21:14:21 <Christophe> zakim, next agendum
21:14:21 <Zakim> agendum 4. "15 February 2007 Level Change Proposals <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2007feb15levels/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
21:14:47 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:14:57 <Christophe> Topic: SC 1.2.1, SC 1.2.2 (captions and audio descriptions)
21:15:29 <Christophe> ... LC-1283 and LC-1332
21:21:35 <Andi> ack d
21:31:10 <Zakim> -Luca_Mascaro
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21:33:51 <Gregg> ack c
21:34:01 <Zakim> +??P0
21:34:29 <luca> Zakim, ?P0 is luca
21:34:29 <Zakim> sorry, luca, I do not recognize a party named '?P0'
21:34:50 <luca> Zakim, ??P0 is luca
21:34:50 <Zakim> +luca; got it
21:34:57 <luca> Zakim, mute me
21:34:57 <Zakim> luca should now be muted
21:36:26 <Andi> scribe: Andi
21:36:30 <Gregg> ack cyn
21:37:07 <Loretta> q+
21:38:16 <Gregg> ack l
21:39:10 <Gregg> ack b
21:39:14 <Gregg> q+
21:40:04 <Gregg> ack g
21:40:08 <Gregg> ack c
21:41:04 <Andi> action: Sean and Loretta to check on technical feasibility of doing captions internationally
21:41:37 <Gregg> ack j
21:43:45 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
21:46:20 <Zakim> -luca
21:47:30 <Andi> resolution: close Issue 886, Issue 892 as proposed which is no change
21:51:46 <Andi> resolution: accept 1077 as amended - keep 1.2.7 at Level 3
21:52:32 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:54:44 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:55:11 <Loretta> q
21:55:46 <Andi> resolution: accept 1234 as amended
22:06:34 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
22:12:15 <Andi> action: John, Loretta, and Makoto to revisit 680 and 1083 (1.3.5) to address Sean's comment
22:13:20 <Andi> topic: GL 1.4
22:13:55 <MichaelC> yes
22:22:02 <Gregg> ack j
22:24:26 <Andi> q+
22:24:56 <Gregg> ack a
22:27:36 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
22:28:40 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
22:32:21 <Andi> resolution: no level change on 1.4.1, 1.4.3, and 1.4.4
22:33:15 <Andi> action: Loretta, Sean, and John to work on 1.4.2 to address the Flash scenario John raised
22:33:42 <Andi> topic: SC 2.3.2
22:34:23 <Andi> resolution: accept 1049 as amended - no level change to 2.3.2
22:34:48 <Andi> topic: SC 2.4.3
22:36:28 <Gregg> ack j
22:41:23 <David_MacDonald> q+
22:45:38 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
22:47:22 <Gregg> ack d
22:48:04 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
22:48:56 <Andi> q+
22:51:07 <Gregg> ack a
22:53:40 <Gregg> ack j
22:55:01 <Zakim> -Don_Evans
23:03:16 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
23:10:11 <MichaelC> present: David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow-Weaver, John_Slatin, Don_Evans, Michael_Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Christophe_Strobbe, Sean_Hayes, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Luca_Mascaro, Bruce_Bailey
23:11:21 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
23:11:22 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
23:11:24 <Zakim> -Makoto_Ueki
23:11:26 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
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23:11:30 <Zakim> -Sean_Hayes
23:11:31 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
23:11:33 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
23:11:34 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
23:11:36 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
23:11:37 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
23:11:42 <Zakim> -Cooper
23:11:43 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
23:11:45 <Zakim> Attendees were John_Slatin, Don_Evans, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sofia_Celic, Christophe_Strobbe, Bengt_Farre, +7.971.aaaa, Sean_Hayes,
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23:12:11 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
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23:12:15 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
23:12:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andi to create wording that requires restart only for non-decorative content (issue LC-1169) [1]
23:12:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T20-34-36
23:12:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David to incorporate comments from survey. [2]
23:12:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T20-52-09
23:12:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gregg and Sean to discuss 1.4..6 regarding proposal to remove it [3]
23:12:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T21-02-27
23:12:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sean and Loretta to check on technical feasibility of doing captions internationally [4]
23:12:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T21-41-04
23:12:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John, Loretta, and Makoto to revisit 680 and 1083 (1.3.5) to address Sean's comment [5]
23:12:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T22-12-15
23:12:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Loretta, Sean, and John to work on 1.4.2 to address the Flash scenario John raised [6]
23:12:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T22-33-15