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14:52:39 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
14:52:41 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:52:47 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
14:52:51 <shadi> chair: Shadi
14:54:18 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Feb/0016.html
14:55:06 <shadi> agenda+ Check-in on group reviews
14:55:17 <shadi> agenda+ HTTP Vocabulary in RDF issues
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15:01:51 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:02:15 <JohannesK> zakim, Carlos_Velasco is really JohannesK
15:02:15 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
15:02:19 <Zakim> +Shadi
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15:04:41 <CarlosV> zakim, JohannesK.a is really CarlosV
15:04:49 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
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15:07:33 <shadi> zakim, pick a victim
15:07:33 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose CarlosI
15:10:43 <Zakim> -Shadi
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15:13:39 <shadi> scribe: CarlosI
15:13:53 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:13:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Check-in on group reviews" taken up [from shadi]
15:15:06 <CarlosI> SAZ: new comments on ATAG?
15:15:32 <shadi> action: SAZ darft ATAG comments and send to ERT WG list for review
15:15:33 <CarlosI> JK: no new comments
15:16:02 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Feb/0008.html
15:16:20 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Feb/0020.html
15:16:35 <CarlosI> SAZ: comments on Mobile OK basic from Johannes
15:16:38 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Feb/0021.html
15:16:47 <CarlosI> JK: some more from CI
15:21:10 <CarlosI> SAZ: let's discuss about CI comments and JK reactions
15:21:52 <CarlosI> CI: think even if there is an error page response this shoulb be a not tested
15:22:51 <CarlosI> SAZ: two separate cases, you can even don't reach the server or you can reach the server with an unexpected response
15:24:18 <CarlosI> JK: if you have connection problems should be not tested
15:26:12 <CarlosI> JK: error pages should be also M OK
15:28:20 <CarlosI> CI: test cases are about concrete URI, error pages are different ones
15:28:56 <CarlosI> JK: you ask for an URI and you get something, no matter what
15:30:29 <CarlosI> CI: In 1.2 Applicablility they say "test apply to a URI. Passing the tests means that under ther RIGHT CIRCUNSTANCES..."
15:30:52 <CarlosI> CI: error pages are not "right circunstances"
15:31:31 <CarlosI> SAZ: we agree if there's a server error the test is not tested
15:33:05 <CarlosI> JK: if you get a response you test whatever you get
15:35:47 <CarlosI> SAZ: problem with the model, you can never have a M OK site if you fail whatever request
15:37:30 <CarlosI> CI: if png or svg are not in DDC there's no discussion
15:37:43 <CarlosI> JK: we can ask why thery're not in DDC
15:39:28 <CarlosI> discussion about DDC
15:41:25 <CarlosI> CI: not sure if CR is in the definition of whitespace
15:41:57 <CarlosI> JK: thinks it's in their definition
15:42:38 <CarlosI> CI: concerns about "oficial definition" of carriage return
15:44:06 <CarlosI> CI: thinks they must be inline with an "official definition" if there's one
15:45:36 <CarlosI> SAZ: they need to make clear what whitespace is
15:45:56 <CarlosI> SAZ: additionally, what about CSS?
15:47:45 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: when not reaching the server it should be a not tested instead a fail
15:49:58 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: When the server returns 4xx or 5xx the result of the test should not fail due to the response code because otherwise the website as a hole could never be M OK compliant 
15:50:43 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: clarify what definition is been used for whitespace characters
15:50:58 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: consider CSS in the minimization
15:52:52 <CarlosI> CI: javascript: is well formed URI but not valid
15:53:14 <CarlosI> CI: javascript: protocol in not registered
15:55:15 <CarlosI> JK: include # in the values of the test?
15:56:09 <CarlosI> CI: thinks in a more generic solution but at least the # case should be included
15:56:40 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: to add the # value in the 3.15 test
15:57:41 <shadi> s/to add the/to fail the
16:00:52 <CarlosI> CI: thinks the wording at 3.19 it's not clear
16:01:59 <CarlosI> discussion about the wording
16:02:12 <CarlosV> I need to take-off ...
16:02:40 <Zakim> -CarlosV
16:07:50 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: 3.19 generate multiple warnings for each radio button in a group
16:09:22 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: 3.19 algorithm doesn't check that the rest of input elements are also radio buttons
16:10:10 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: the wording is complex and confusing
16:11:09 <CarlosI> RESOLUTION: why to refeer to "some value" where there's only one valid value since they're boolean attributes
16:12:37 <CarlosI> CI: we should discuss on mailing list about the rest of issues
16:14:09 <CarlosI> ACTION: CI to summarize comments about mobile OK and send to the ERT mailing list to further discussion
16:14:15 <shadi> action: JK to send proposal for 3.19
16:16:00 <Zakim> -JohannesK
16:16:04 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:16:09 <Zakim> -CarlosI
16:16:10 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
16:16:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, JohannesK, CarlosV, CarlosI
16:16:17 <shadi> zakim, bye
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16:16:27 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:16:32 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:16:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/14-er-minutes.html shadi
16:16:34 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:16:38 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:16:39 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/14-er-actions.rdf :
16:16:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ darft ATAG comments and send to ERT WG list for review [1]
16:16:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/14-er-irc#T15-15-32
16:16:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CI to summarize comments about mobile OK and send to the ERT mailing list to further discussion [2]
16:16:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/14-er-irc#T16-14-09
16:16:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JK to send proposal for 3.19 [3]
16:16:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/14-er-irc#T16-14-15