20:57:48 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 20:57:48 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/02/08-wai-wcag-irc 20:57:55 RRSAgent, do not start a new log 20:58:01 RRSAgent, make log world 20:58:14 zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 20:58:14 ok, ben, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started 20:58:28 Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon 20:58:35 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JanMar/0068.html 20:58:41 Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid 20:58:45 ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly 20:58:53 Regrets: Don_Evans, Tim_Boland 20:58:58 agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates 20:59:03 WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended 20:59:05 Attendees were 20:59:05 agenda+ Conformance Survey for 01 February 20:59:14 agenda+ Conformance Survey for 08 February 20:59:25 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 20:59:27 agenda+ Team A Survey for 08 February 20:59:29 WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started 20:59:34 agenda+ Editors Survey for 08 February 20:59:42 agenda+ Team C Proposals for 8 February 21:00:26 zakim, who is on the phone? 21:00:26 On the phone I see no one 21:00:51 zakim, is WAI_WCAG 21:00:51 I don't understand 'is WAI_WCAG', ben 21:00:59 zakim, this is WAI_WCAG 21:00:59 ben, this was already WAI_WCAG()3:00PM 21:01:00 ok, ben; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM 21:01:06 zakim, who is on the phone 21:01:06 I don't understand 'who is on the phone', ben 21:01:11 zakim, who is on the phone? 21:01:11 On the phone I see no one 21:02:26 zakim, list conferences 21:02:27 I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM, Team_(simile)19:57Z, GA_SVGWG()3:00PM active 21:02:28 also scheduled at this time are WAI_EOWG(UMTF)2:00PM, XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM, VB_VBWG(SIV)4:00PM 21:04:00 zakim, this is wai_wcag 21:04:00 bengt, this was already WAI_WCAG()3:00PM 21:04:02 ok, bengt; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM 21:04:14 Makoto has joined #wai-wcag 21:04:18 strange zakim is nutty 21:05:07 zakim, who is making noise ? 21:05:13 scribe: becka11y 21:05:22 bengt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 12 (67%), ??P13 (44%), ??P15 (20%), ??P18 (10%), ??P19 (93%) 21:05:33 zakim, mute me 21:05:33 sorry, Christophe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 21:05:38 zakim, who is on the phone? 21:05:38 On the phone I see no one 21:06:28 kill zakim and restart ? 21:06:34 q+ 21:06:41 q- 21:06:54 zakim, bye 21:06:54 Zakim has left #wai-wcag 21:07:26 Zakim has joined #wai-wcag 21:07:33 zakim, list conferences 21:07:33 I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM, Team_(simile)19:57Z, GA_SVGWG()3:00PM active 21:07:35 also scheduled at this time are WAI_EOWG(UMTF)2:00PM, XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM, VB_VBWG(SIV)4:00PM 21:07:43 zakim, this is WAI_WCAG 21:07:43 ok, ben; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM 21:07:48 zakim, who is on the phone? 21:07:48 On the phone I see no one 21:07:56 zakim, who is making noise ? 21:08:09 zakim, mute me 21:08:09 sorry, Sorcha, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 21:08:10 bengt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 14 (19%), ??P13 (7%), ??P14 (89%), ??P25 (36%), ??P26 (4%) 21:09:27 zakim, take up agendum 1 21:09:27 I see nothing on the agenda 21:09:33 I have troubles connecting with skype 21:09:35 zakim, mute me 21:09:35 sorry, Sorcha, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 21:09:42 agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates 21:09:46 zakim, mute Sorcha_Moore 21:09:46 sorry, Sorcha, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Sorcha_Moore 21:09:47 zakim, take up agendum 1 21:09:48 agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben] 21:09:50 Attendees: Michael_Cooper, John_Slatin, Becky_Gibson, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Sean_Hayes, Sorcha_Moore, Cynthia_Shelly, Lorett_Guarino-Reid, Bruce_Bailey, Makoto_Ueki 21:09:56 agenda+ Conformance Survey for 01 February 21:09:59 why me not? 21:10:04 agenda+ Conformance Survey for 08 February 21:10:25 thanks 21:10:47 agenda+ Team A Survey for 08 February 21:10:55 agenda+ Editors Survey for 08 February 21:11:02 agenda+ Team C Proposals for 8 February 21:11:31 zakim, who is making noise ? 21:11:45 bengt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 16 (50%), ??P13 (20%), ??P14 (41%), ??P15 (39%), ??P18 (30%), ??P19 (99%) 21:11:56 Additional Attendees: Roberto Ellero, Christophe Strobbe, Don Evans 21:12:01 i am connected with skype now 21:12:03 Regrets- Don_Evans 21:14:23 zakim, who's making noise 21:14:23 I don't understand 'who's making noise', David_MacDonald 21:14:38 zakim, who's making noise? 21:14:52 David_MacDonald, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 16 (38%), ??P14 (10%), ??P15 (56%), ??P19 (99%) 21:15:34 zakim, mute P19 21:15:34 sorry, David_MacDonald, I do not know which phone connection belongs to P19 21:15:44 zakim, mute ??P19 21:15:44 sorry, ben, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??P19 21:15:50 zakim, mute P19 21:15:50 sorry, rellero, I do not know which phone connection belongs to P19 21:16:04 zakim, mute ?P19 21:16:04 sorry, bengt, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ?P19 21:16:14 zakim, mute P19 21:16:14 sorry, ben, I do not know which phone connection belongs to P19 21:16:26 zakim, who is making noise ? 21:16:28 try to disconnect but i am without mic 21:16:37 disconnected 21:16:43 bengt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P14 (49%), ??P17 (53%), ??P18 (10%), ??P19 (46%), ??P21 (13%), ??P25 (4%) 21:16:45 not rellero ... 21:16:48 ok 21:17:20 zakim, ??P19 is noisy 21:17:20 sorry, ben, I do not recognize a party named '??P19' 21:17:20 newly here 21:17:44 doesnt work zakim needs to restart 21:18:12 make zakim, restart 21:18:43 Ben, do we need to wait before calling back in? 21:19:12 call in 21:19:16 no difference 21:19:25 still noisy? 21:19:34 no 21:19:36 restart zakim again ? 21:20:09 zakim, who is on the phone? 21:20:09 On the phone I see no one 21:20:10 i am connected 21:20:16 doesnt seem that it talks to the pbx properly 21:21:11 there was a mysterious error in the beginning when it thougt the conference ended with no one calling in 21:21:33 RalphS has joined #wai-wcag 21:21:43 amy has joined #wai-wcag 21:21:45 zakim, list conferences 21:21:45 I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM, GA_SVGWG()3:00PM active 21:21:46 also scheduled at this time are XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM, RWC_WAPI()4:30PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM, VB_VBWG(SIV)4:00PM 21:21:52 zakim, who's on the call? 21:21:52 On the phone I see no one 21:22:01 zakim, which conference is this? 21:22:01 this is WAI_WCAG()3:00PM conference code 9224 21:22:09 sigh 21:22:35 Target for next last call draft is April 11. 21:22:37 zakim, close this item 21:22:39 the WOC doesn't seem to recognize anyone -- or gives only guest #s (I imagine you noticed this already) 21:22:40 agendum 1 closed 21:22:41 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 21:22:42 2. Conformance Survey for 01 February [from ben] 21:22:57 UC items are: LC-1244, LC-1150, LC-1038, LC-813, LC-638, LC-539, LC-482, LC-614, LC-662, LC-812, LC-831, LC-897, LC-898, LC-899, LC-919, LC-1242, LC-1243, LC-1266, and LC-1303, LC-1211, LC-1065, LC-949, LC-1152, LC-1271, LC-1267, LC-908, LC-1034, LC-864, LC-751, LC-1504, LC-1410, LC-1071, LC-1009, LC-896, LC-745, LC-808, LC-1179, LC-1319, and LC-1493, LC-488, LC-719, LC-757, LC- 568, LC-1057, LC-1294, LC-1167 21:23:14 it looks like one of the servers needs to be rebooted 21:23:20 Resolution: accept items with unanimous consent on the survey: LC-1244, LC-1150, LC-1038, LC-813, LC-638, LC-539, LC-482, LC-614, LC-662, LC-812, LC-831, LC-897, LC-898, LC-899, LC-919, LC-1242, LC-1243, LC-1266, and LC-1303, LC-1211, LC-1065, LC-949, LC-1152, LC-1271, LC-1267, LC-908, LC-1034, LC-864, LC-751, LC-1504, LC-1410, LC-1071, LC-1009, LC-896, LC-745, LC-808, LC-1179, LC-1319, and LC-1493, LC-488, LC-719, LC-757, LC- 568, LC-1057, LC-1294, LC-1167 21:23:21 but if I reboot it now, Zakim-bot will restart 21:23:33 so I'll have to do it tomorrow morning when there are no conferences in progress 21:23:35 sorry, folks 21:24:03 zakim, take up next agendum 21:24:03 agendum 2. "Conformance Survey for 01 February " taken up [from ben] 21:25:13 Topic: Level AAA conformance 21:25:17 amy has left #wai-wcag 21:26:20 Resolution: accept Level AAA conformance issues LC-516, LC-533, LC-605, LC-621, LC-691, LC-888, LC-1023, LC-1264, and LC-1275 as ammended 21:26:35 Topic: LC-507 21:28:01 q+ sean 21:30:22 q+ 21:36:32 ack sean 21:39:48 ack Gregg 21:41:06 q+ 21:43:47 zakim, who's making noise? 21:44:00 ack l 21:44:04 David_MacDonald, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P16 (4%), ??P18 (54%), ??P19 (4%), ??P25 (35%) 21:45:55 q+ 21:46:40 ack l 21:47:12 q+ 21:47:52 q+ 21:51:54 ack Gregg 21:54:55 ack d 21:55:12 q+ 21:55:16 q+ 21:55:25 q+ 21:56:12 ack l 21:57:38 ack g 21:57:41 ack a 22:06:30 q+ cynthia 22:07:05 ack c 22:07:08 q+ 22:08:49 ACK L 22:14:09 Action: Don, Loretta, Sean, David, Andi to take issue 507 and user contributed content and come back with a proposal (or at least progress report) by Feb 15 22:14:16 Topic: LC-750 22:26:31 /me Non Accessibility-supported content technologies can be used if the information and functionality provided through the non-qualifying technology is also provided using accessibility-enabled Web technologies. In addition, the presence of the non-AeWT must not block the ability of the users to access the content via the accessible technologies. Specifically, the following must be true: 22:26:31 All content and functionality are available using only accessibility-enabled Web technologies. 22:31:38 resolution: accept 750 as ammended: Non Accessibility-supported content technologies (A-sCT) can be used if the information and functionality provided through the non A-sCT is also provided using A-sCT. In addition, the presence of the non-A-sCT must not block the ability of the users to access the content via the A-sCT. Specifically, the following must be true: 22:32:02 Topic: 880 22:32:22 Resolution: accept 880 as ammended 22:32:46 Topic: 924 22:35:18 Resolution: close 924 as ammended 22:35:28 scribe: ben 22:35:31 zakim, close this topic 22:35:32 I don't understand 'close this topic', ben 22:35:36 zakim, close this item 22:35:36 agendum 2 closed 22:35:37 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 22:35:38 3. Conformance Survey for 08 February [from ben] 22:35:42 zakim, take up agendum 3 22:35:42 agendum 3. "Conformance Survey for 08 February " taken up [from ben] 22:36:07 Topic: Aggregated Content (LC-464, LC-1222, and LC-1318) 22:38:35 scribe: becka11y 22:39:16 q+ 22:45:07 q+ David 22:45:11 acj l 22:45:20 ack l 22:45:45 it is starting to become usual to have media players within javascript 22:46:45 there are several techniques to do that, ajax , dwr and so on, javascript 22:47:41 oh yes 22:48:12 usually a simpler format than mpeg 22:48:29 ack d 22:48:50 q+ bruce 22:49:25 ack b 22:53:36 Action: Don, Sean, Loretta, David, Andi, Gregg to meet and sreview Aggregated Content (LC-464, LC-1222, and LC-1318) to determine if a better proposal is possible (or at least progress report) by Feb 15 22:53:43 Topic: 565 22:54:14 zakim, close this item 22:54:14 agendum 3 closed 22:54:16 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 22:54:17 4. Team A Survey for 08 February [from ben] 22:54:56 Resolution: close 565 as ammended 22:55:35 Topic: baseline, validity - issue 648 22:56:29 zakim, who's making noise? 22:56:36 backgruond sound is drowning you out, Gregg 22:56:46 David_MacDonald, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P12 (45%), ??P16 (99%), ??P17 (9%) 22:57:43 k - well - I'll stay off then 22:58:53 Action: Michael to create a document about testing WCAG to be part of the support materials (related to issue LC-648). 23:01:29 Resolution: close 648 as ammended. 23:01:49 Topic: Issue 649 23:02:18 Resolution: close 649 as ammended 23:04:04 +q 23:06:42 think it is ben ... 23:08:59 Topic: Issue 857 23:09:16 bengt has left #wai-wcag 23:12:22 Sorcha has left #wai-wcag 23:20:08 Resolution: Issue 857 remains open 23:20:38 in search for better wording 23:21:26 Topic: 902 23:22:25 Resolution: close issue 902 as ammended 23:22:29 Topic: 1245 23:22:51 zakim, close this item 23:22:51 I do not know what agendum had been taken up, ben 23:25:09 resolution: accept 1245 as ammended 23:25:36 zakim, agenda? 23:25:36 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda: 23:25:37 4. Team A Survey for 08 February [from ben] 23:25:40 5. Editors Survey for 08 February [from ben] 23:25:42 zakim, close agendum 4 23:25:42 6. Team C Proposals for 8 February [from ben] 23:25:45 agendum 4, Team A Survey for 08 February , closed 23:25:47 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 23:25:49 5. Editors Survey for 08 February [from ben] 23:25:49 zakim, take up agendum 5 23:25:49 agendum 5. "Editors Survey for 08 February " taken up [from ben] 23:26:34 Topic: Issue 652 23:30:03 Resolution: close issue 652 as proposed 23:30:19 Topic: issue 862 23:34:14 q+ john 23:34:52 ackd 23:34:54 ack d 23:34:56 ack j 23:35:07 q+ john 23:35:14 q+ david 23:36:36 ack j 23:38:52 ack d 23:45:09 q+ 23:46:46 ack b 23:52:07 Resolution: issue 862 remains open 23:52:43 Topic: LC 895, 1263: Web page examples 23:55:59 Action: Gregg , John, David to clean up web page definition 23:56:18 LC 895, 1263: Web page examples remain open 23:56:22 zakim, close this item 23:56:22 agendum 5 closed 23:56:23 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 23:56:24 6. Team C Proposals for 8 February [from ben] 23:56:27 zakim, take up agendum 6 23:56:27 agendum 6. "Team C Proposals for 8 February " taken up [from ben] 23:57:02 Topic: 1169 00:03:24 Present: Michael_Cooper, John_Slatin, Becky_Gibson, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Sean_Hayes, Sorcha_Moore, Cynthia_Shelly, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, Roberto_Ellero, Christophe_Strobbe, Makoto_Ueki, Don_Evans 00:04:18 Meeting ended before resolution to 1169. Team C survey will be re-opened. 00:04:25 ben are you there? 00:04:27 I can generate minutes 00:04:48 becka11y has left #wai-wcag 00:05:06 Makoto has left #wai-wcag 00:05:35 zakim, bye 00:05:35 Zakim has left #wai-wcag 00:05:37 RRSAgent, bye 00:05:37 I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/08-wai-wcag-actions.rdf : 00:05:37 ACTION: Don, Loretta, Sean, David, Andi to take issue 507 and user contributed content and come back with a proposal (or at least progress report) by Feb 15 [1] 00:05:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/08-wai-wcag-irc#T22-14-09 00:05:37 ACTION: Don, Sean, Loretta, David, Andi, Gregg to meet and sreview Aggregated Content (LC-464, LC-1222, and LC-1318) to determine if a better proposal is possible (or at least progress report) by Feb 15 [2] 00:05:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/08-wai-wcag-irc#T22-53-36 00:05:37 ACTION: Michael to create a document about testing WCAG to be part of the support materials (related to issue LC-648). [3] 00:05:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/08-wai-wcag-irc#T22-58-53 00:05:37 ACTION: Gregg , John, David to clean up web page definition [4] 00:05:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/08-wai-wcag-irc#T23-55-59