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14:22:34 <LeeF> zakim, this will be DAWG
14:22:34 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:22:40 <LeeF> Meeting: RDF DAWG Weekly
14:22:51 <LeeF> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0064.html
14:23:18 <LeeF> Regrets: EliasT
14:23:26 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:23:29 <LeeF> Scribe: SimonR
14:24:42 <ericP> ericP has changed the topic to: Data Access Working Group weekly telecon -- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0064
14:25:04 <LeeF> agenda + convene
14:25:07 <LeeF> agenda + review action items
14:25:11 <LeeF> agenda + test suite
14:25:14 <LeeF> agenda + minimal test suite
14:25:18 <LeeF> agenda + rq25 status
14:25:23 <LeeF> agenda + protocol status
14:27:21 <LeeF> zakim, code?
14:27:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 7333 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), LeeF
14:27:35 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
14:27:42 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
14:27:43 <LeeF> zakim, IBMCambridge is me
14:27:44 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
14:28:11 <Zakim> +??P1
14:28:13 <AndyS> zakim ??P1 is me
14:28:17 <AndyS> zakim, ??P1 is me
14:28:17 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:30:09 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-617
14:30:09 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:30:11 <Zakim> +EricP
14:31:23 <ericP> ack me
14:33:07 <Zakim> +Simon_Raboczi
14:34:23 <Zakim> -Simon_Raboczi
14:34:57 <SimonR> I'm having an even more troublesome time than usual dialing in; I'm think I'm at risk for scribing tonight.  :/
14:35:32 <LeeF> ok, no problem, Simon. Don't drive yourself batty over the phone system. We'll put the important bits here.
14:35:43 <Zakim> +Simon_Raboczi
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14:37:16 <Zakim> +??P11
14:38:28 <AndyS> zakim, ??P11 is sdas2
14:38:28 <Zakim> +sdas2; got it
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14:39:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:39:20 <jeen> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:39:20 <Zakim> +jeen; got it
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14:40:40 <SimonR> Next meeting in one week (13-Feb-2007)
14:41:04 <SimonR> EricP volunteering to scribe next meeting.
14:41:07 <LeeF> ACTION: AndyS to reply to Bob M noting changes in examples in curent algebra [DONE]
14:41:40 <Zakim> +PatH
14:41:49 <patH> sorry Im late
14:41:49 <LeeF> ACTION: AndyS to clarify the extent of BGPs is not broken up by FILTER  clauses and to change production rule name in the grammar [DONE]
14:42:00 <LeeF> ACTION: AndyS to add text clarifying the prohibition on blank node labels in multiple BGPs to rq25 [CONTINUES]
14:42:06 <LeeF> ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [CONTINUES]
14:42:12 <LeeF> ACTION: Jeen to mark approved tests as dawg:approved [CONTINUES]
14:42:19 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put [CONTINUES]
14:42:20 <SimonR> AndyS: Hasn't completed his first ACTION, has done the second one (clarify the extent of BGPs is not broken up by FILTER)
14:42:25 <LeeF> action -5
14:42:33 <LeeF> ACTION: Jeen to mark approved tests as dawg:approved [DONE]
14:42:53 <SimonR> Jeen: Has completed (mark approved tests as dawg:approved), hasn't shown up on mirror yet
14:43:01 <ericP> LeeF, minutes committed
14:43:50 <LeeF> Andy's tests regarding blank node label scope and also extent of BGP:
14:43:51 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0056.html
14:43:55 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-dawg-minutes updated 2007-01-30 minutes
14:44:13 <SimonR> LeeF: Would we like to add Andy's tests for bnode label scope in the preceding URIs?
14:45:05 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0062.html changes the bad-39 test to a good one. 
14:45:26 <SimonR> EricP: Has glanced at the new tests, but not run them.
14:45:48 <SimonR> LeeF: Proposed adding the tests as unapproved; approve next week.
14:46:16 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to add Andy's bnode label scope tests to CVS as unapproved syntax tests
14:47:17 <SimonR> SimonR: "I'm fine with that!"
14:47:27 <LeeF> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:47:27 <Zakim> agendum 5. "rq25 status" taken up [from LeeF]
14:48:04 <SimonR> LeeF: Skip discussing minimality of test suite until SimonR is available with a better phone connection.
14:48:51 <SimonR> AndyS: 4.1.4 changed "existential variable" to "non-distinguished variable, discussed with Bijan who agreed it was clearer.
14:49:41 <AndyS> Eric - there are some @@'s in sec 11 - could you (also!) deal with then and 11.x.yBIS.
14:50:35 <SimonR> LeeF: Reviews of rq25 -- SteveH said he'd been busy and hadn't been able to review yet.
14:50:50 <SimonR> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0065.html
14:52:08 <ericP> AndyS, yep, intend to work on @@s
14:52:15 <SimonR> Jeen: Will be on vacation betwen 9-Feb and early March, will have some time off from development to do stuff like rq25 review.
14:52:20 <LeeF> s/Jeen/Souri
14:52:38 <SimonR> (Gah, thanks for the correction.)
14:53:03 <AndyS> EricP - The BIS is really odd now.
14:53:47 <ericP> BIS?
14:54:00 <AndyS> Souri - this is more than http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/rq25.html#sparqlSyntax ?? Suggestions for additions (with text :-) very welcome.
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14:54:05 <AndyS> EricP - 11.4.10bis sameTerm
14:54:21 <ericP> Oh oh oh!!! forgot about that
14:54:37 <SimonR> Souri: The use of the . separator seems inconsistent in the current draft.
14:56:12 <SimonR> LeeF: Invites Souri to suggest better text for #sparqlSyntax; AndyS requests guidance on where it would fit in the document.
14:56:26 <AndyS> 2* 11.4.10 currently :-)
14:56:45 <ericP> .query AndyS 
14:58:00 <SimonR> Souri: Won't be on calls until back from vacation, but hopes to continue participating by email.
14:59:07 <SimonR> Souri: Will miss 13th, 20th, 27th, back on the 5th.
14:59:44 <SimonR> Yes, I'll be able to do that review.
15:00:21 <LeeF> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:00:24 <Zakim> agendum 6. "protocol status" taken up [from LeeF]
15:01:22 <LeeF> protocol status: 
15:01:23 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0082
15:01:38 <SimonR> LeeF: Haven't done protocol work for a while, in Elias's absence.  Last message on protocol is (quoted URL ^^^)
15:02:16 <LeeF> Bjoern on posting SPARQL queries directly:
15:02:16 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006Sep/0007
15:03:56 <LeeF> question: should we allow SPARQL queries to be POSTed directly as application/sparql-query
15:05:32 <LeeF> AndyS: In general likes the idea - wonders if we need to state explicitly that the query needs to be UTF-8. Also wonders if we had a reason for not doing this previously.
15:05:45 <LeeF> ericP: is there precedent for servers switching on MIME type?
15:06:53 <SimonR> Ivan suggested it was useful for debugging in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0066.html
15:07:43 <LeeF> ericP: You wouldn't be able to set the other parameters [default-graph-uri or named-graph-uri]
15:07:51 <SimonR> EricP: Seems like a good idea, but slight benefit for the work involved.
15:09:32 <LeeF> MIME type registration: http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-types/2005-November/000894.html
15:10:12 <SimonR> LeeF: MIME registration does state use of UTF-8, so AndyS's character encoding misgivings are addressed.
15:11:05 <AndyS> POST does not preclude ?parameters as well as the body.
15:12:50 <jeen> zakim, mute me
15:12:50 <Zakim> jeen should now be muted
15:12:56 <jeen> (brb)
15:13:14 <jeen> zakim, unmute me
15:13:14 <Zakim> jeen should no longer be muted
15:13:29 <SimonR> LeeF: We're not ready to decide this today, particularly would like to run it past Elias as well.
15:14:48 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to talk to protocol editors re: POSTing application/sparql-query
15:15:09 <ericP> RFC3986 5.1.2 Base URI from the Encapsulating Entity
15:15:45 <SimonR> LeeF: Any additional agenda issues?
15:15:51 <AndyS> Base URI alg does not necessary always get a result.  In which case rel IRIs are wrong.
15:16:13 <Zakim> -PatH
15:16:14 <Zakim> -jeen
15:16:15 <AndyS> ADJOURN
15:16:16 <Zakim> -sdas2
15:16:17 <SimonR> ADJOURN at 15:16 Z
15:16:54 <sdas2> Thx LeeF See you guys in March, Enjoy the weather :-)
15:18:02 <SimonR> Zakim, mute me
15:18:02 <Zakim> Simon_Raboczi should now be muted
15:21:59 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:22:03 <AndyS> AndyS has left #dawg
15:22:11 <SimonR> Can someone do the IRC log publishing magic?
15:22:15 <ericP> #relIRIs
15:22:18 <LeeF> I will, Simon.
15:22:23 <LeeF> thanks for scribing
15:22:47 <SimonR> Glad to be useful.
15:23:22 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to adapt text from 4.1.1 to specify how the protocol can contribute to the base IRI for query evaluation as per #relIRIs in the QL spec
15:24:10 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:24:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, EricP, Simon_Raboczi (muted)
15:24:33 <ericP> 5.1.1, "Base URI Embedded in Content": BASE
15:24:33 <ericP> 5.1.2, "Base URI from the Encapsulating Entity": xml:base in SOAP:Env
15:24:33 <ericP> 5.1.3, "Retrieval URI": service endpoint?
15:24:34 <ericP> 5.1.4, "Default Base URI": API or other protocol convention?
15:27:23 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:27:26 <Zakim> -EricP
15:27:33 <LeeF> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:27:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-minutes.html LeeF
15:27:35 <Zakim> -Simon_Raboczi
15:27:36 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
15:27:37 <Zakim> Attendees were LeeF, AndyS, EricP, Simon_Raboczi, sdas2, jeen, PatH
15:27:41 <LeeF> rrsagent, make logs world-access
15:27:59 <LeeF> ericp, please see if rrsagent is doing that correctly
15:29:15 <ericP> LeeF, roger
15:29:45 <LeeF> yay! it's there
15:30:04 <ericP> done
15:30:10 <LeeF> thanks
15:32:20 <SimonR> Much obliged as well!
17:06:29 <AndyS> zakim, please leave
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17:06:39 <AndyS> rrsagent, please leave
17:06:39 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-actions.rdf :
17:06:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS to reply to Bob M noting changes in examples in curent algebra [DONE] [1]
17:06:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-41-07
17:06:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS to clarify the extent of BGPs is not broken up by FILTER  clauses and to change production rule name in the grammar [DONE] [2]
17:06:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-41-49-1
17:06:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS to add text clarifying the prohibition on blank node labels in multiple BGPs to rq25 [CONTINUES] [3]
17:06:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-42-00
17:06:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [CONTINUES] [4]
17:06:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-42-06
17:06:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put [CONTINUES] [6]
17:06:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-42-19
17:06:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeen to mark approved tests as dawg:approved [DONE] [7]
17:06:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-42-33
17:06:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to add Andy's bnode label scope tests to CVS as unapproved syntax tests [8]
17:06:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-46-16
17:06:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Lee to talk to protocol editors re: POSTing application/sparql-query [9]
17:06:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T15-14-48
17:06:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Lee to adapt text from 4.1.1 to specify how the protocol can contribute to the base IRI for query evaluation as per #relIRIs in the QL spec [10]
17:06:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T15-23-22