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13:20:14 <shadi> zakim, this will be tsd
13:20:14 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
13:20:20 <shadi> meeting: TSD TF
13:20:30 <shadi> chair: CarlosV, Christophe
13:20:36 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
13:20:42 <shadi> scribenick: shadi
13:20:56 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Jan/0026.html
13:21:13 <shadi> agenda+ Report on WAI Testing Meeting
13:21:36 <shadi> agenda+ Report on first F2F of Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working
13:21:36 <shadi> Group
13:21:53 <shadi> agenda+ TSD TF Wiki
13:22:04 <shadi> agenda+ Locations in TCDL
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13:31:05 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
13:31:12 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
13:31:17 <Zakim> +encarna
13:31:59 <Christophe> Zakim, encarna is CarlosI
13:31:59 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
13:32:37 <Zakim> +Vangelis_Karkaletsis
13:32:40 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:34:32 <CarlosV> CarlosV has joined #tsdtf
13:35:38 <Zakim> +thomas
13:35:59 <Christophe> Zakim, thomas is CarlosV
13:35:59 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
13:36:42 <shadi> agenda?
13:37:03 <shadi> regrets: Daniela
13:37:35 <shadi> regrets: Daniela, Michael
13:37:56 <CarlosV> regrets: Tim
13:38:08 <shadi> regrets: Daniela, Michael, Tim
13:38:55 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:38:55 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Report on WAI Testing Meeting" taken up [from shadi]
13:39:34 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2007/01/wai-testing
13:39:45 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-wai-testing-minutes
13:40:01 <shadi> CS: joint meeting of several WAI groups on testing
13:40:16 <shadi> ...talked about a joint test repository
13:40:30 <shadi> ...identified some common needs accross the groups
13:40:59 <shadi> ...resources in each of the WGs are limited
13:41:16 <shadi> CV: was it only WAI WGs?
13:41:31 <shadi> CS: yes, only WAI WGs at this specific meetings
13:47:07 <shadi> SAZ: started off with a broad discussion on testing to identify comonalities and differences
13:47:40 <shadi> ...different WAI WGs are at different stages with the Rec docs so different levels of committment towrds testing
13:48:11 <shadi> ...also different perspectives and aspects of what a test is between authoring tools, user agents, and content
13:49:08 <shadi> ...a common repository to store different kinds of tests seems to be the least common dinominator
13:49:31 <shadi> ...this may in fact be a W3C-wide issue and we need to pursue different approaches
13:49:57 <shadi> SAZ: next steps are to generate a "white paper" or similar from the meeting results and present to WAI
13:50:14 <shadi> ...will go to the WAI Coordination Group and other groups to gather input
13:50:41 <shadi> ...in parrallel need to pursue other options such as open source tools or contributions
13:52:04 <shadi> SAZ: it seems that MWI folks may in fact have similar needs for repository infrastructure
13:52:47 <shadi> CS: also presented TCDL to the caucus
13:53:47 <shadi> CV: nobody wanted TCDL as RDF?
13:54:12 <shadi> CS: it did come up how test descriptions could be expressed as RDF
13:54:56 <shadi> ...and that it would be useful to have such descriptions using semantic web technologies
13:56:04 <shadi> SAZ: no immediate results except to identify some of the differences
13:56:35 <shadi> ...that the WGs are at different stages and so more central coordination is needed rather than at the WG levels right now
13:57:32 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
13:57:32 <Zakim> agendum 1, Report on WAI Testing Meeting, closed
13:57:33 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:57:34 <Zakim> 2. Report on first F2F of Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working [from shadi]
13:57:43 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:57:43 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Report on first F2F of Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working" taken up [from shadi]
13:58:03 <shadi> CS: MWI have a "Test Suites WG" rather than a TF
13:58:22 <shadi> ...this was their first meeting
13:58:45 <shadi> ...the charter is fairly open and the discussion was more about scoping
13:58:59 <shadi> ...for example conformance testing vs interoperability testing
13:59:52 <shadi> CS: different user agents interpret content differently and the specs may not cover all
14:00:20 <shadi> ...this may be covered in the interoperability testing whereas conformance testing refers to conformance to the spec
14:01:00 <shadi> CS: WG is also looking for tools such a "test submission system" and a "test result submission system"
14:01:28 <shadi> ...to capture a wide variety of results from different user agents
14:02:04 <shadi> CS: showed them WCAG techniques submission form
14:02:14 <shadi> ...they may consider this as well as other tools
14:02:36 <shadi> ...they will also look at existing test suites to see what they can reuse
14:03:06 <shadi> ...want to carry out a survey and to see what is there, and what is automated, etc
14:03:35 <shadi> CS: pointed them to the review process that we have
14:03:56 <shadi> ...also looking for tools to review test cases and for test harness
14:04:56 <shadi> CV: who are the participants of the WG?
14:05:29 <shadi> CS: participants from SUN, NIST, and others
14:06:00 <shadi> ...two co-chairs Dominque from W3C and Carmello from NIST
14:07:10 <Christophe> Minutes of MWI Test Suites WG F2F: http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html
14:07:49 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/Meetings/Cambridge/agenda^
14:08:18 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes
14:08:38 <shadi> CS: David Rooks from Segala is also a participant of the WG
14:09:01 <shadi> SAZ: he is also in ERT WG, he maybe interested in TSD TF as well
14:09:48 <shadi> CS: most common need seems to be a submission system
14:10:36 <shadi> CS: i'm on the list but don't know how much time i have to be able to participate
14:10:53 <shadi> s/the list/the mailing list
14:12:44 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
14:12:44 <Zakim> agendum 2, Report on first F2F of Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working, closed
14:12:46 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:12:47 <Zakim> 3. TSD TF Wiki [from shadi]
14:12:55 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:12:55 <Zakim> agendum 3. "TSD TF Wiki" taken up [from shadi]
14:13:10 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Jan/0025.html
14:13:20 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/
14:13:48 <shadi> SAZ: Wiki is set up
14:14:13 <shadi> ...everyone needs to create their accounts with a specific format
14:14:27 <shadi> ...acount names must look like FirstnameLastname
14:16:40 <shadi> CS: Vangelis and myself have accounts, already started to play around
14:18:19 <shadi> SAZ: next steps are to think about presenting the reviews
14:18:33 <shadi> ...may be good to make use of templates
14:18:51 <shadi> ...for the "structure" and "content" reviews
14:19:03 <shadi> ...and a central page to list the reviews
14:19:21 <shadi> CS: yes, templates and some sort of a table of the available reviews
14:23:24 <shadi> [discussion and trials with the Wiki ... create pages, orphan pages, site map, find pages, etc]
14:27:08 <shadi> action: Vangelis to make an attempt at generating the two templates for the the "structure" and "content" reviews
14:27:43 <shadi> action: Christophe to make an attempt at generating the central index page to all the currently available reviews
14:28:14 <shadi> action: Shadi to link the Wiki from the TSD TF home page (and ERT WG home page)
14:30:50 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 3
14:30:50 <Zakim> agendum 3, TSD TF Wiki, closed
14:30:51 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:30:53 <Zakim> 4. Locations in TCDL [from shadi]
14:31:00 <Zakim> -Vangelis_Karkaletsis
14:31:07 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:31:08 <Zakim> -CarlosI
14:31:08 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:31:10 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
14:31:12 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
14:31:13 <Vangelis> Vangelis has left #tsdtf
14:31:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Christophe_Strobbe, CarlosI, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, Shadi, CarlosV
14:31:18 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:31:26 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:31:32 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:31:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
14:31:37 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:31:42 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:31:42 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
14:31:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Vangelis to make an attempt at generating the two templates for the the "structure" and "content" reviews [1]
14:31:42 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-27-08
14:31:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christophe to make an attempt at generating the central index page to all the currently available reviews [2]
14:31:42 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-27-43
14:31:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shadi to link the Wiki from the TSD TF home page (and ERT WG home page) [3]
14:31:42 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-28-14