15:30:49 RRSAgent has joined #swd 15:30:49 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-swd-irc 15:31:01 zakim, this will be swd 15:31:01 ok, RalphS; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 29 minutes 15:31:11 Meeting: SWD WG 15:31:18 Chair: Tom 15:31:30 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0072.html 15:32:21 Previous: 2007-01-16 http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-swd-minutes.html 15:32:43 Boston F2F: http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html 15:32:58 rrsagent, please make record public 15:56:11 TomB has joined #swd 15:56:46 SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started 15:56:53 +??P3 15:57:46 +Ralph 15:58:13 JonP has joined #swd 15:59:19 +Guus 15:59:40 berrueta has joined #swd 16:00:33 Antoine has joined #swd 16:01:30 +Jon_Phipps 16:01:36 [I just updated the lists of attendees on the f2f minutes] 16:01:40 +Bernard_Horan 16:01:42 -Guus 16:01:59 +Antoine_Isaac 16:02:03 Regrets: Alistair, Guus, (at risk:) Sean 16:02:21 Regrets+ Daniel 16:02:22 +CarlosI 16:02:34 Zakim, CarlosI is me 16:02:40 +berrueta; got it 16:04:07 zakim, Jon_Phipps is me 16:04:07 +JonP; got it 16:04:46 agenda+ Admin 16:04:52 berrueta has joined #swd 16:04:53 Agenda+ SKOS 16:05:02 agenda+ Recipes 16:05:10 agenda+ Vocabulary Management 16:05:17 agenda+ Semantic Integration 16:05:22 agenda+ RDFa 16:06:10 +Ben_Adida 16:06:55 benadida has joined #SWD 16:07:34 zakim, take up agendum 1 16:07:34 agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from RalphS] 16:07:58 berrueta has joined #swd 16:08:15 zakim, take up agendum 6 16:08:15 agendum 6. "RDFa" taken up [from RalphS] 16:09:02 Tom: agenda records 6 RDFa actions, 5 of which were discussed in yesterday's RDFa TF telecon 16:09:24 ... should we consider those to be tracked in the TF telecon and not track them here also? 16:09:33 Elisa has joined #swd 16:09:53 Ben: I don't mind either way, can handle duplication if full WG wants to keep track of progress 16:10:35 Tom: I'd prefer to report followup to the mailing list and point to the report of the TF telecon in the Tuesday agenda 16:10:38 +Elisa_Kendall 16:10:54 ... asking the scribe to copy the RDFa actions forward seems like extra work 16:11:52 ... but it's fine to copy all the mail to the mailing list 16:12:23 ... during the WG telecon, just ask Ben to summarize the status 16:12:39 ... Ben can put issues on the agenda if he wishes 16:13:08 ... e.g. if the TF wants to talk about a particular action or issue 16:13:34 RESOLVED: RDFa actions do not need to be brought up in WG telecon by default 16:14:25 ACTION: Guus to flag the issue of RDFa REC track on the coordination group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action03] 16:14:27 -- continues 16:14:42 q+ 16:14:53 zakim, list attendees 16:14:53 As of this point the attendees have been TomB, Ralph, Guus, Bernard_Horan, Antoine_Isaac, berrueta, JonP, Ben_Adida, Elisa_Kendall 16:15:16 Ben: I've done some editing on the Use Cases based on f2f discussion 16:15:23 dberrueta has joined #swd 16:15:24 ... Primer updates still pending 16:15:34 ... would appreciate further feedback from WG this week 16:16:23 ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning scribe duties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01] 16:16:27 -- continues 16:17:15 RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-swd-minutes.html accepted as record of 16 January telecon 16:17:23 RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html accepted as record of 22 January f2f 16:17:36 RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html accepted as record of 23 January f2f 16:17:58 [DONE] ACTION: guus/tomb to put item on f2f agenda to make publication decision for RDFa documents (use cases and primer) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action09] 16:18:03 [DONE] ACTION: Daniel will review RDFa. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action08] - see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0071.html 16:18:09 [DONE] ACTION: RalphS inform group on evening event. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action02] DONE: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0037.html 16:18:15 [DONE] ACTION: Antoine to post note to list describing how members of WG should prepare for the F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-swd-minutes.html#action03] 16:18:20 [DONE] ACTION: Daniel to state problem with suggestion of where to look in preparing for this discussion of collecting metadata requirements. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-swd-minutes.html#action04] 16:18:30 [DONE] ACTION: Everyone should be registered for the F2F by 10 Jan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action02] 16:18:42 move to next agendum 16:18:42 agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from RalphS] 16:18:50 close agendum 1 16:18:51 move to next agendum 16:18:55 agendum 2. "SKOS" taken up [from RalphS] 16:19:27 Tom: What is the relation between http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosIssues and http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosIssuesSandbox (both are called "SKOS Issues")? 16:19:45 Antoine: there were "issues" listed that were not really raised by anyone in particular 16:20:04 ... Alistair is officially still the editor of SkosIssues 16:20:12 ... and Jon has started the wiki issues list 16:20:28 Jon: I'm interested in using the issue tracker that the RDFa TF has started to use 16:20:34 alright, signing off for now... apologies for the last minute conflict 16:20:42 ... Antoine, Daniel, and I should discuss this first 16:21:07 -Ben_Adida 16:21:33 Antoine: the UCR editors don't really "own" the issues list 16:21:45 benadida has left #SWD 16:21:54 Jon: my understanding was that Alistair was creating a draft issues list, then Antoine picked up that task 16:22:01 q+ 16:22:07 ack RalphS 16:22:16 Jon: I'm happy for Alistair 16:24:51 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/ issues tracker 16:25:32 Ralph: the RDFa TF has started to use 'tracker' for its issues 16:26:03 ... I think Guus expressed the opinion to wait and see how that worked out before moving other deliverables into this 16:26:29 Jon: I'm happy to go either way for the cookbook issues 16:26:48 Tom: making the switch does require extra work 16:28:27 Tom: I've added more links to the wiki deliverables page 16:28:34 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables SWD Deliverables 16:28:47 Tom: I'd like each editor to check before the telecons that the links are current 16:29:44 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Alan write up the preferredLabel modelling issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01] 16:30:22 Bernard: the name of the item may not be clear to everyone, but the SKOS folk understand 16:30:28 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Antoine to provide more use cases of uses of qualifiers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action02] 16:30:34 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Guus to check that this issue of more specialization than broad/narrow is on the issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action03] 16:30:42 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Antoine to capture the issue on capturing relationships between labels [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action04] 16:30:50 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Antoine to contact the submittors of #7 to see what they want to use skos for (as opposed to, say, owl) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action05] 16:30:58 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Alistair to summarizes the aspects of semantics of the skos data model [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action06] 16:31:07 [CONTINUES] ACTION: guus to check with veronique on the terms being outside the iso standard [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action07] 16:31:15 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Alistair to rephrase the old issue of skos/owl-dl coexistence and semantics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action08] 16:31:24 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how to represent that in skos [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] 16:31:45 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Alistair to update the schedule for SKOS documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action10] 16:31:52 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Alistair to raise a new issue about USE X + Y and USE X OR Y [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action07] 16:32:04 move to next agendum 16:32:04 agendum 3. "Recipes" taken up [from RalphS] 16:32:34 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#Recipes Recipes deliverables 16:33:05 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Jon to update issue list as per resolution of issue 1.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action10] 16:33:55 RESOLVED: Jon may move the Recipes issues list to tracker at his discretion 16:34:13 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Jon to update issue list as per dropping of 1.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action11] 16:34:20 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Bernard to raise new issue re IE6 hack [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action12] 16:34:34 [DONE] ACTION: diego to look at IE7 accept headers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action13] 16:35:06 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0076.html IE7 accept headers [Diego 2007-01-29] 16:35:24 Diego: IE7 sends the same Accept headers as the previous version 16:35:40 ... so the Recipes document needs to continue to give the IE hack 16:35:50 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 16:35:54 move to next agendum 16:35:54 agendum 4. "Vocabulary Management" taken up [from RalphS] 16:36:17 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Guus to contact persons working on versioning in Knowledge Web [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action05] 16:36:22 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Elisa to give first overview of what the status of the doc is and add comments and coordinate work on doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action06] 16:36:34 Elisa: I've started this, may be able to put this on the agenda for next week 16:36:57 Jon: the MSDL Metadata Registry will be implementing change management and version control next month 16:37:03 ... there will likely be use cases coming from that 16:37:11 s/MSDL/NSDL/ 16:37:43 move to next agendum 16:37:43 agendum 5. "Semantic Integration" taken up [from RalphS] 16:38:01 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Elisa liaise with Mike Uschold re: Semantic Integration note - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0060.html 16:38:11 Elisa: I did write to Mike Uschold and Chris Menzel 16:38:35 ... Mike has been doing some work on the editor's draft 16:39:20 ... Mike's response on joining SWD was that he didn't have budget or time 16:39:38 ... Chris is interested, however. He's back at U. Texas, so would need to be an Invited Expert 16:40:10 ACTION: Tom and Ralph talk with Guus about the Semantic Integration note 16:40:35 Elisa: I told Chris that if he were to take this task on, I would help him with it 16:41:21 Ralph: this Note was included in SWD deliverables primarily because Mike wanted it there 16:41:30 ... but I'm encouraged by Elisa's interest 16:42:16 Elisa: I think Mike would like to see progress on the Note, just that he doesn't have time himself 16:42:42 s/ [CONTINUES] ACTION: Elisa liaise/ [DONE] ACTION: Elisa liaise/ 16:42:47 close this agendum 16:42:57 next telecon: Tuesday 6 Feb 16:43:01 -Bernard_Horan 16:43:08 -Elisa_Kendall 16:43:15 [adjourned] 16:43:16 -berrueta 16:43:22 -Antoine_Isaac 16:43:31 Antoine has left #swd 16:46:09 -Ralph 16:46:13 -JonP 16:46:40 zakim, drop tom 16:46:40 TomB is being disconnected 16:46:41 SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended 16:46:42 Attendees were TomB, Ralph, Guus, Bernard_Horan, Antoine_Isaac, berrueta, JonP, Ben_Adida, Elisa_Kendall 16:46:46 rrsagent, please draft minutes 16:46:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-swd-minutes.html RalphS 16:47:23 zakim, bye 16:47:23 Zakim has left #swd 16:48:04 RalphS, are you still there? 16:48:11 rrsagent, bye 16:48:11 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-swd-actions.rdf : 16:48:11 ACTION: Guus to flag the issue of RDFa REC track on the coordination group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action03] [1] 16:48:11 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-swd-irc#T16-14-25 16:48:11 ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning scribe duties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01] [2] 16:48:11 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-swd-irc#T16-16-23 16:48:11 ACTION: Tom and Ralph talk with Guus about the Semantic Integration note [3] 16:48:11 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-swd-irc#T16-40-10