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14:58:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DBWG
14:58:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
14:58:41 <trackbot> Date: 30 January 2007
15:00:12 <Zakim> WS_DBWG()10:00AM has now started
15:00:20 <Zakim> +[Heriot-Watt]
15:02:13 <pauld> zakim, code?
15:02:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld
15:02:23 <Zakim> +Paul_Downey
15:02:24 <Zakim> -[Heriot-Watt]
15:02:25 <Zakim> +[Heriot-Watt]
15:02:55 <pauld> zakim, Heriot-Watt contains gcowe
15:02:55 <Zakim> +gcowe; got it
15:03:45 <Zakim> +Yves
15:04:12 <Zakim> +Jon_Calladine
15:04:46 <pauld> scribe: pauld
15:05:14 <pauld> minutes from 16/1 and 19/12 approved
15:09:42 <pauld> dinner arrangements
15:12:02 <pauld> gcowe: been working on some patterns and examples, trying to CVS sorted
15:15:26 <Yves> see http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/xmlp-rec-issues.html generated from .xml
15:15:29 <pauld> LC issue tracking
15:15:30 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/lc-issues/
15:16:31 <pauld> yves: used several tools including Bugzilla for LC, but simple files often work best
15:16:58 <pauld> ACTION: ylafon to obtain a copy of the ws-desc LC stylesheet
15:17:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-100 - Obtain a copy of the ws-desc LC stylesheet [on Yves Lafon - due 2007-02-06].
15:17:56 <pauld> pauld: a lot of our LC comments are editorial, what's the process, do we need the WG to get involved?
15:18:06 <pauld> yves: one line in the minutes is sufficient
15:19:57 <pauld> pauld: our strong process will help deal with comments
15:20:19 <pauld> pauld: there is a meta-question in Microsoft's comments, things may not get better!
15:20:30 <pauld> gcowe: Origo needs things to get better
15:21:00 <pauld> yves: customer demand is unlikely to allow a vendor to lower the bar
15:22:06 <pauld> pauld: i understand the thinking may be coloured by wanting to map to and from JSON
15:23:18 <pauld> jonc: we restrict name clashes, so distinction between mapping to JSON and Java is mute
15:23:30 <pauld> pauld: customer demand is key here IMO
15:23:51 <pauld> jonc: are they thinking code first, or mapping WSDL to code?
15:24:35 <pauld> pauld: Indigo is "contract" first, but the contract is fairly code centric
15:28:31 <pauld> pauld: ignoring our buckets, at least Microsoft and Origo can go away and write their own Basic specs and have a conversaion as a result of our work
15:29:31 <pauld> pauld: chased the Schema WG, and had positive response, but a worry we've done too much work for them to review
15:29:45 <pauld> pauld: we need to help them 
15:30:00 <pauld> jonc: have they any meetings planned?
15:30:48 <pauld> yves: not sure, only one person is reviewing, AIUI
15:32:18 <pauld> pauld: worried they're being too fastidious, but our detection and test suite will help their review
15:32:50 <pauld> pauld: we do need to do some work to help their review
15:33:33 <pauld> pauld: it's down to me to rack up the LC comments so we can process them
15:34:15 <pauld> jonc: looking at Microsoft's comments, chimes in with one of our issues
15:35:09 <pauld> ACTION: jcalladi to investigate Microsoft LC item 7 and maxOccurs
15:35:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - Investigate Microsoft LC item 7 and maxOccurs [on Jonathan Calladine - due 2007-02-06].
15:37:15 <pauld> Topic: CR Exit Criteria
15:37:27 <pauld> pauld: what do we need to do to skip CR
15:37:50 <pauld> yves: documentation in out testsuite / implementation report should be sufficient
15:38:54 <pauld> pauld: do we need to say how many implementations we need - 2, 4, 13?
15:39:02 <pauld> yves: our judgement call
15:39:25 <pauld> pauld: so our test suite is our exit criteria
15:39:53 <pauld> Topic: Test Suite
15:40:16 <pauld> yves: enlisted some assistance to put up the validation service
15:40:41 <pauld> yves: also been looking at generating the test results
15:41:18 <pauld> pauld: happy for you to respecify the format to suite your purposes
15:43:26 <pauld> pauld: struggled through a powercut testing Axis 1.x and Axis2 and Xfire
15:44:09 <pauld> .. barfdance.sh is clumsy with a WAR files
15:44:39 <pauld> .. should be ok for the BEA tools as well
15:44:56 <pauld> gcowe: need to get a new websphere tool version
15:45:50 <pauld> ACTION: pauld to enlist help from IBM contacts in Hursley
15:45:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - pauld
15:46:03 <pauld> ACTION: pdowney to enlist help from IBM contacts in Hursley
15:46:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Enlist help from IBM contacts in Hursley [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-06].
15:47:56 <pauld> pauld: green and red is going to help motivate us and others to contribute
15:48:08 <pauld> ADJOURNED
15:48:22 <Zakim> -[Heriot-Watt]
15:48:23 <Zakim> -Paul_Downey
15:48:24 <Zakim> -Yves
15:48:25 <Zakim> -Jon_Calladine
15:48:26 <Zakim> WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
15:48:27 <Zakim> Attendees were Paul_Downey, gcowe, Yves, Jon_Calladine
15:48:30 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:48:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-databinding-minutes.html pauld
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