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15:48:10 <ivan> Meeting: SW Education and Outrach IG Telco
15:48:13 <ivan> Chair: Susie
15:54:28 <ivan> :-)
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15:57:36 <LeeF> zakim, code?
15:57:36 <Zakim> the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), LeeF
15:57:55 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()11:00AM has now started
15:58:02 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
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15:58:20 <LeeF> zakim, IBMCambridge is me
15:58:20 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
15:58:26 <pasquale> hi all, good morning
15:58:32 <LeeF> g'day, pasquale
15:58:33 <Zakim> +??P5
15:58:45 <pasquale> hai lee ;-)
15:58:48 <Zakim> +??P6
15:58:52 <Zakim> + +539151aaaa
15:59:12 <Zakim> +Karen
15:59:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:59:25 <LeeF> zakim, Karen is temporarily ivan
15:59:25 <Zakim> +ivan; got it
15:59:34 <kjetilk> Zakim, IPcaller is me
15:59:34 <Zakim> +kjetilk; got it
15:59:38 <LeeF> zakim, ??P5 is Susie
15:59:38 <Zakim> +Susie; got it
15:59:57 <ivan> Regrets: Karen, DanBri
15:59:59 <Susie> Regrets Karen Myers and Dan Brickley
16:00:18 <kjetilk> yes!
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16:02:24 <kjetilk>  http://folk.uio.no/kjetikj/kjetil2.wav
16:02:27 <kjetilk> :-)
16:02:29 <Zakim> + +44.147.360.aabb
16:02:30 <bengee> heh
16:02:42 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:02:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, Susie, ??P6, +539151aaaa, ivan, kjetilk, +44.147.360.aabb
16:03:33 <ivan> zakim, P6 is benjamin
16:03:33 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'P6'
16:03:45 <ivan> zakim, ??P6 is benjamin
16:03:45 <Zakim> +benjamin; got it
16:04:07 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Alistair
16:04:07 <Zakim> +Alistair; got it
16:04:23 <kjetilk> Susie: Alistair, could you present yourself?
16:04:40 <Zakim> +Wing_Yungo
16:05:01 <kjetilk> Alistair: Is looking into Knowledge Management, Semantic Web Services, Integration
16:05:22 <kjetilk> ... looking into a variaty of applications
16:05:54 <kjetilk> Zakim, Scribe is kjetilk
16:05:54 <Zakim> sorry, kjetilk, I do not recognize a party named 'Scribe'
16:06:02 <kjetilk> Scribe: kjetilk
16:06:06 <ivan> ScribeNick: kjetilk
16:06:12 <kjetilk> thanks, ivan
16:06:22 <kjetilk> Susie: we have a few action items
16:06:25 <ivan> Topic: Action items
16:06:51 <kjetilk> Susie: we should have links to conferences 
16:07:09 <kjetilk> Susie: resend the developers questions
16:07:25 <Zakim> +Orri_Erling
16:07:54 <kjetilk> Susie: I have had the action item to complete the enterprise questionnaire
16:08:06 <kjetilk> Susie: end of the survey 19th
16:08:40 <kjetilk> Susie: we have completed the action items
16:08:53 <kjetilk> Susie: leobard isn't here
16:09:21 <ivan> Topic: Web Developers' survey (kjetilk)
16:09:26 <kjetilk> Susie: kjetilk is formally leading the developers questions 
16:10:12 <LeeF> kjetilk: Benjamin posted comments on developer questions ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Jan/0041.html )
16:10:48 <Susie> Issues we should be discussing
16:11:23 <Susie> Should be clear as to how SWEO will be involved in the project
16:11:42 <Susie> Should be clear as to what sort of project we should promote
16:11:49 <Susie> Should there be winners or not?
16:12:19 <Susie> How do we determine who is involved in a project
16:13:28 <Susie> Draft of questions are at: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Web_Developer_Outreach
16:13:41 <Susie> How do we select the projects?
16:13:48 <ivan> q+
16:14:02 <ivan> ack q
16:14:10 <Susie> Ivan says there should be a winner
16:14:47 <Susie> Lee agrees
16:15:23 <Susie> People are competitive, so a competition will motivate people
16:15:40 <Susie> How is the competition judged?
16:15:52 <Susie> Ivan think we should select a group of people
16:16:07 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
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16:16:50 <Susie> Kjetilk thinks the winner is the person who gets the most developers involved in the project
16:18:36 <Susie> ivan proposes public judging of the projects
16:19:57 <Susie> Susie thinks that having your project selected is winning enough to start with
16:20:16 <Susie> The winning project is the one that leads to the best outreach of the Semantic Web
16:20:59 <LeeF> zakim, who's speaking?
16:21:04 <kidehen> Susie
16:21:10 <Zakim> LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Susie (100%), +539151aaaa (20%), Wing_Yungo (25%), Kingsley_Idehen (23%)
16:21:21 <LeeF> 3 sources of echo!
16:21:22 <kidehen> Ivan I think
16:21:30 <LeeF> nope
16:21:38 <kidehen> Hmm
16:22:05 <kidehen> k
16:22:27 <kjetilk> Susie: it is the SWEO group that will decide
16:22:42 <kjetilk> ivan: we might be nicer to kjetilk than to anybody else
16:23:02 <kjetilk> Susie: we could involve others, that would be good, perhaps timbl
16:23:02 <ivan> s/might/might not/
16:23:08 <kjetilk> :-)
16:24:07 <Susie> Kingsley wants to create chatter around the Semantic Web
16:24:36 <kjetilk> kidehen: some kind of platform is required to create chatter around the semweb
16:25:21 <kjetilk> Susie: initially, the very knowledgeable people should be focusing on development
16:25:59 <kjetilk> kidehen: I asked "how does semweb address integration problems?"
16:26:08 <kjetilk> kidehen: and people are starting to respond to that
16:26:57 <kjetilk> Susie: I would like to have a clear message
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16:27:18 <LeeF> zakim, Wing_Yungo is wing
16:27:18 <Zakim> +wing; got it
16:27:42 <kjetilk> ivan: the contest should be done as quickly as possible
16:29:34 <kjetilk> bengee: on some wiki, some suggested a different wording "a" semweb rather than "the"
16:31:32 <bengee> it was on the "WildIdeas" wiki page
16:31:35 <ivan> q+
16:32:55 <kjetilk> ACTION: Susie to put the finished questionnaire on the Semantic Web activity page
16:33:15 <kjetilk> ACTION: kjetilk to finish the questionnaire ASAP
16:33:40 <ivan> Topic: Use cases
16:34:05 <kjetilk> Zakim: who is speaking
16:34:09 <Susie> Use case attributes http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Use_Cases
16:34:16 <kjetilk> Zakim: who is speaking?
16:34:18 <bengee> it's the DAWG ;)
16:34:20 <Susie> Alistair Duke is speaking
16:34:53 <ivan> q+
16:36:42 <kjetilk> ivan: we had a visitor yesterday at MIT, and they want to see well defined uses of semweb
16:38:10 <kjetilk> ivan: this is important for the semweb, because there are use cases that may not be distributed to the whole world, but real world deployments may be valuable to others exploring semweb
16:38:43 <kjetilk> Susie: there is a lot of uptake in the enterprise community
16:39:02 <kjetilk> Susie: perhaps there should be a mailing list for discussing the uptake
16:39:24 <kidehen> Ivan: we need to collates Use-cases (how will the Semantic Web help address problems X,Y,X) and Case Studies (where Semweb has or is being used successfully)
16:39:34 <kjetilk> ivan: I think what we really need is to have those use cases written down as detailed as possible
16:39:53 <kidehen> using Wiki, del.icio.us and other data dumping areas we already use
16:40:34 <kjetilk> Susie: Oracle has written up a use-case as we use it on our website
16:40:35 <kidehen> +q
16:40:44 <kjetilk> ack ivan
16:40:49 <kjetilk> ack kidehen
16:41:14 <ivan> q+
16:41:44 <kjetilk> kidehen: use cases, in my mind, is how the semweb is addressing a problem
16:41:50 <ivan> ack ivan
16:42:02 <kjetilk> kidehen: case studies are details about deployed studies
16:42:24 <kjetilk> ivan: indeed, what I talked about is case studies, and they are what we need
16:43:31 <kidehen> Susie: URL for SPARQL access point
16:43:51 <kjetilk> Susie: I want to move along, we have things to discuss
16:44:18 <kjetilk> Susie: a use case should be 4-6 pages and be nice and shiny 
16:44:21 <ivan> q+
16:44:28 <kjetilk> Susie: it should be solid facts, though
16:44:41 <kidehen> All: We could device a Microformat for Use Cases and Case Studies which then extends a link to the Microformats community
16:44:59 <kidehen> link in the sense of outreach etc..
16:45:39 <kjetilk> ack ivan
16:45:55 <kjetilk> ivan: I think 4-5 pages is too much
16:46:06 <kjetilk> ivan: not more than 2 pages
16:47:08 <kjetilk> Alistair: I think I could present the case study by next week
16:47:29 <ivan> Action: List of conferences
16:47:35 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences
16:49:18 <kjetilk> Susie: one interesting conference is a GRID conference
16:49:34 <kjetilk> Susie: the GRID community is interested in RDF
16:49:41 <kjetilk> Susie: anyone have something to submit
16:50:00 <kjetilk> Susie: second conference is XTech, deadline has passed
16:50:17 <kjetilk> Susie: iand and Paul Miller has items in
16:51:15 <kjetilk> ACTION: ivan to look at the Next Web Conf
16:51:44 <kjetilk> Susie: I think the O'Reilly OSCON is good
16:51:59 <kjetilk> q+
16:52:29 <ivan> q+
16:52:35 <kjetilk> ack kjetilk
16:52:40 <kjetilk> ack ivan
16:53:15 <kjetilk> ivan: this list is becoming useful for the community at large
16:53:55 <kjetilk> ivan: we might make it available in some form
16:54:17 <ivan> Topic: Boston SW event
16:54:57 <kjetilk> Susie: I sent an email to everyone in Boston
16:55:30 <kjetilk> kidehen, ivan and kjetilk is going
16:55:37 <LeeF> lee and wing, also
16:55:51 <LeeF> and susie
16:56:01 <kjetilk> most of us, then! :-)
16:56:20 <kjetilk> ivan: f2f is pending
16:56:37 <kjetilk> ivan: lets put it on the agenda for next week
16:56:45 <Zakim> -Orri_Erling
16:56:46 <Zakim> -Susie
16:56:47 <Zakim> -Alistair
16:56:47 <Zakim> -Kingsley_Idehen
16:56:48 <Zakim> -ivan
16:56:49 <Zakim> -LeeF
16:56:50 <Zakim> -wing
16:56:50 <Zakim> -benjamin
16:56:52 <Zakim> - +539151aaaa
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16:57:09 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()11:00AM has ended
16:57:10 <kjetilk> cool
16:57:11 <Zakim> Attendees were LeeF, +539151aaaa, ivan, kjetilk, Susie, +44.147.360.aabb, benjamin, Alistair, Orri_Erling, Kingsley_Idehen, wing
16:57:13 <ivan> zakim, bye
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16:57:19 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:57:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-sweo-minutes.html ivan
16:57:22 <LeeF> see a bunch of you on Monday
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16:57:27 <kjetilk> yup!
17:02:01 <pasquale> bye Ivan, ciao ;-)