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13:23:25 <shadi> zakim, this will be tsd
13:23:25 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
13:23:32 <shadi> meeting: TSD TF
13:23:43 <shadi> chair: CarlosV, Chrsitophe
13:23:49 <shadi> regrets: Tim
13:24:12 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Jan/0015.html
13:24:28 <shadi> agenda+ Overview of core TF documents and pending changes
13:24:42 <shadi> agenda+ Tools
13:24:56 <shadi> agenda+ Locations
13:25:13 <shadi> agenda+ Assignment of reviewers for new test cases
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13:29:20 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
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13:29:28 <Zakim> +Daniela_Ortner
13:30:13 <Zakim> +Shadi
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13:31:23 <Zakim> +Cooper
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13:32:43 <Zakim> +Vangelis_Karkaletsis
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13:34:07 <Zakim> +Rodrigo
13:34:43 <shadi> zakim, rodrigo is really CarlosI
13:34:43 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
13:35:01 <Zakim> +CarlosV
13:36:03 <shadi> regrets: Tim, Christophe
13:36:15 <shadi> agenda?
13:37:00 <shadi> scribe: Daniela
13:37:08 <shadi> scribenick: Daniela
13:37:28 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:37:28 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Overview of core TF documents and pending changes" taken up [from shadi]
13:38:37 <Daniela> saz: still need to update review process document
13:39:20 <Daniela> cv: cs seems to have updated his documents already
13:39:41 <Daniela> saz: will send a note to the list as soon as update is done.
13:40:06 <Daniela> cv: perhaps put links on the TF homepage
13:40:44 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/
13:41:25 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/
13:41:27 <Daniela> saz: first link is for our internal usage
13:41:39 <Daniela> saz: second link is official homepage
13:42:25 <Daniela> cv: propose menu bar for the internal usage
13:43:06 <Daniela> saz: think that there is a css template for navigation bar on the right - will check if that is appropiate
13:43:46 <Daniela> ACTION: saz will check if it is possible to integrate a navigation bar on the homepage for internal usage
13:44:47 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/
13:44:58 <Daniela> saz: cv, please send links that you thinks are suitable for this navigation bar
13:45:06 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/minutes
13:45:12 <CarlosV> Links: Work statement; Using TCDL; Test Review Process; Tests CVS Web Interface
13:48:03 <Daniela> saz: need a form to upload new test samples
13:48:52 <Daniela> saz: need to fill the "repository contents" link
13:49:34 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
13:49:34 <Zakim> agendum 1, Overview of core TF documents and pending changes, closed
13:49:35 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:49:36 <Zakim> 2. Tools [from shadi]
13:49:40 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:49:40 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Tools" taken up [from shadi]
13:50:45 <Daniela> saz: put request to systems team reg. wiki
13:50:58 <Daniela> saz: will put some templates up and provide link
13:51:35 <Daniela> saz: more difficult task is thing on server side scripting
13:53:19 <Daniela> cv: we need generated content dependant on user input for some test cases
13:54:03 <Daniela> saz: e.g. for sc2.5.1, does the code need to actually run?
13:54:48 <Daniela> saz: there is a number of technologies that will be supported, but not all / not all kinds of versions
13:55:19 <Daniela> cv: for bentoweb, we are e.g. using jsp running under tomcat
13:56:45 <Daniela> saz: have to talk to systems team about what can be supported
13:59:46 <Daniela> saz: still not clear if examples have to run on w3c server
14:01:02 <Daniela> do: important for content review to have samples running
14:01:55 <Daniela> mc: samples do not have directly tested
14:02:15 <Daniela> cv: for the review process it would be important to have running testfiles
14:03:05 <Daniela> saz: who should have access? only this group or the public?
14:04:34 <Daniela> saz: should evaluation tools be able to run test suites directly on w3c server or is it enough that they are downloaded and run somewhere else?
14:04:54 <Daniela> cv: from marketing point of view: would be nice if the run on w3c
14:06:04 <Daniela> saz: can we agree to one technology (e.g. JSP=?
14:06:53 <Daniela> cv: from bentoweb view: jsp is the only technology used
14:07:33 <Daniela> ci: the problem is to reduce the scope of contributions from outside bentoweb
14:08:04 <Daniela> saz: what if someone comes along with ASP?
14:08:37 <Daniela> cv: state on homepage which technologies will be supported
14:08:48 <Daniela> saz: which ones to restrict? we cannot support all...
14:09:39 <Daniela> ci: it's clear that we cannot support ALL technologies, but reducing to only 1 technology could be problematic
14:10:07 <Daniela> ci: perhaps contributors can provide running samples on own domain
14:11:57 <Daniela> saz: has overview on requirements now, will check with WAI folks and systems group
14:12:34 <Daniela> ACTION: saz will check which technologies are supportable and which not
14:14:02 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
14:14:02 <Zakim> agendum 2, Tools, closed
14:14:04 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:14:05 <Zakim> 3. Locations [from shadi]
14:14:06 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:14:06 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Locations" taken up [from shadi]
14:14:53 <Daniela> cv: need a conclusion - but how can we solve that?
14:16:10 <Daniela> cv summarizes contents from email discussion
14:17:20 <Daniela> saz: does not have to be a tool that puts in the location
14:18:50 <Daniela> mc: who do we want to inform about location of an error? author? evaluator? user?
14:19:07 <Daniela> mc: source versus generated content
14:20:40 <Daniela> mc: there are evaluation tools that take a look at source code if they are able to
14:22:40 <Daniela> mc: there are cases where it makes sense to look at source, and others where generated content is important
14:24:32 <Daniela> saz: consumer of the location information will be mainly people, not tools
14:25:35 <Daniela> saz: tools will produce different results (e.g. missing alt - will the location be at the img element or at the alt attribut?)
14:26:10 <Daniela> mc: location of errors can also be in two different files (e.g. inline css and external css)
14:28:25 <Daniela> saz: not sure if we can specify more specific
14:29:49 <Daniela> ci: what about location of error in two different documents (see css example above) - do we support that?
14:31:01 <Daniela> saz: will need more discussion on that on mailing list?
14:31:50 <Daniela> ACTION: cv check with cs if there could be a solution within metadata
14:33:11 <Daniela> zakim, close agendum 3
14:33:12 <Zakim> agendum 3, Locations, closed
14:33:13 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:33:14 <Zakim> 4. Assignment of reviewers for new test cases [from shadi]
14:33:23 <Daniela> zakim, take up adendum 4
14:33:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up adendum 4', Daniela
14:33:35 <Daniela> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:33:35 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Assignment of reviewers for new test cases" taken up [from shadi]
14:34:23 <Daniela> cv: process in bentoweb took longer that expected - prefers to postpone evaluation process in TF till next week
14:35:02 <Daniela> saz: next week some people will not be able to attend - so we could make next meeting in two weeks
14:35:33 <Zakim> -Vangelis_Karkaletsis
14:35:37 <Zakim> -Cooper
14:35:38 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:35:39 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:35:40 <Zakim> -Daniela_Ortner
14:35:40 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
14:35:41 <Zakim> Attendees were Daniela_Ortner, Shadi, Cooper, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, CarlosI, CarlosV
14:36:20 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:36:28 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:36:34 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:36:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
14:36:38 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:36:42 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:36:42 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
14:36:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: saz will check if it is possible to integrate a navigation bar on the homepage for internal usage [1]
14:36:42 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-43-46
14:36:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: saz will check which technologies are supportable and which not [2]
14:36:42 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-tsdtf-irc#T14-12-34
14:36:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cv check with cs if there could be a solution within metadata [3]
14:36:42 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-tsdtf-irc#T14-31-50
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