IRC log of tsdtf on 2007-01-16

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13:23:25 [shadi]

zakim, this will be tsd

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

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meeting: TSD TF

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chair: CarlosV, Chrsitophe

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regrets: Tim

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Jan/0015.html

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agenda+ Overview of core TF documents and pending changes

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agenda+ Tools

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agenda+ Locations

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agenda+ Assignment of reviewers for new test cases

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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started

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+Daniela_Ortner

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+Shadi

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+Cooper

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+Vangelis_Karkaletsis

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+Rodrigo

13:34:43 [shadi]

zakim, rodrigo is really CarlosI

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+CarlosI; got it

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+CarlosV

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regrets: Tim, Christophe

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agenda?

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scribe: Daniela

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scribenick: Daniela

13:37:28 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

13:37:28 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Overview of core TF documents and pending changes" taken up [from shadi]

13:38:37 [Daniela]

saz: still need to update review process document

13:39:20 [Daniela]

cv: cs seems to have updated his documents already

13:39:41 [Daniela]

saz: will send a note to the list as soon as update is done.

13:40:06 [Daniela]

cv: perhaps put links on the TF homepage

13:40:44 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/

13:41:27 [Daniela]

saz: first link is for our internal usage

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saz: second link is official homepage

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cv: propose menu bar for the internal usage

13:43:06 [Daniela]

saz: think that there is a css template for navigation bar on the right - will check if that is appropiate

13:43:46 [Daniela]

ACTION: saz will check if it is possible to integrate a navigation bar on the homepage for internal usage

13:44:47 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/

13:44:58 [Daniela]

saz: cv, please send links that you thinks are suitable for this navigation bar

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/minutes

13:45:12 [CarlosV]

Links: Work statement; Using TCDL; Test Review Process; Tests CVS Web Interface

13:48:03 [Daniela]

saz: need a form to upload new test samples

13:48:52 [Daniela]

saz: need to fill the "repository contents" link

13:49:34 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 1

13:49:34 [Zakim]

agendum 1, Overview of core TF documents and pending changes, closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. Tools [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2. "Tools" taken up [from shadi]

13:50:45 [Daniela]

saz: put request to systems team reg. wiki

13:50:58 [Daniela]

saz: will put some templates up and provide link

13:51:35 [Daniela]

saz: more difficult task is thing on server side scripting

13:53:19 [Daniela]

cv: we need generated content dependant on user input for some test cases

13:54:03 [Daniela]

saz: e.g. for sc2.5.1, does the code need to actually run?

13:54:48 [Daniela]

saz: there is a number of technologies that will be supported, but not all / not all kinds of versions

13:55:19 [Daniela]

cv: for bentoweb, we are e.g. using jsp running under tomcat

13:56:45 [Daniela]

saz: have to talk to systems team about what can be supported

13:59:46 [Daniela]

saz: still not clear if examples have to run on w3c server

14:01:02 [Daniela]

do: important for content review to have samples running

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mc: samples do not have directly tested

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cv: for the review process it would be important to have running testfiles

14:03:05 [Daniela]

saz: who should have access? only this group or the public?

14:04:34 [Daniela]

saz: should evaluation tools be able to run test suites directly on w3c server or is it enough that they are downloaded and run somewhere else?

14:04:54 [Daniela]

cv: from marketing point of view: would be nice if the run on w3c

14:06:04 [Daniela]

saz: can we agree to one technology (e.g. JSP=?

14:06:53 [Daniela]

cv: from bentoweb view: jsp is the only technology used

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ci: the problem is to reduce the scope of contributions from outside bentoweb

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saz: what if someone comes along with ASP?

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cv: state on homepage which technologies will be supported

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saz: which ones to restrict? we cannot support all...

14:09:39 [Daniela]

ci: it's clear that we cannot support ALL technologies, but reducing to only 1 technology could be problematic

14:10:07 [Daniela]

ci: perhaps contributors can provide running samples on own domain

14:11:57 [Daniela]

saz: has overview on requirements now, will check with WAI folks and systems group

14:12:34 [Daniela]

ACTION: saz will check which technologies are supportable and which not

14:14:02 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 2

14:14:02 [Zakim]

agendum 2, Tools, closed

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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. Locations [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 3

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agendum 3. "Locations" taken up [from shadi]

14:14:53 [Daniela]

cv: need a conclusion - but how can we solve that?

14:16:10 [Daniela]

cv summarizes contents from email discussion

14:17:20 [Daniela]

saz: does not have to be a tool that puts in the location

14:18:50 [Daniela]

mc: who do we want to inform about location of an error? author? evaluator? user?

14:19:07 [Daniela]

mc: source versus generated content

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mc: there are evaluation tools that take a look at source code if they are able to

14:22:40 [Daniela]

mc: there are cases where it makes sense to look at source, and others where generated content is important

14:24:32 [Daniela]

saz: consumer of the location information will be mainly people, not tools

14:25:35 [Daniela]

saz: tools will produce different results (e.g. missing alt - will the location be at the img element or at the alt attribut?)

14:26:10 [Daniela]

mc: location of errors can also be in two different files (e.g. inline css and external css)

14:28:25 [Daniela]

saz: not sure if we can specify more specific

14:29:49 [Daniela]

ci: what about location of error in two different documents (see css example above) - do we support that?

14:31:01 [Daniela]

saz: will need more discussion on that on mailing list?

14:31:50 [Daniela]

ACTION: cv check with cs if there could be a solution within metadata

14:33:11 [Daniela]

zakim, close agendum 3

14:33:12 [Zakim]

agendum 3, Locations, closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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4. Assignment of reviewers for new test cases [from shadi]

14:33:23 [Daniela]

zakim, take up adendum 4

14:33:23 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'take up adendum 4', Daniela

14:33:35 [Daniela]

zakim, take up agendum 4

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agendum 4. "Assignment of reviewers for new test cases" taken up [from shadi]

14:34:23 [Daniela]

cv: process in bentoweb took longer that expected - prefers to postpone evaluation process in TF till next week

14:35:02 [Daniela]

saz: next week some people will not be able to attend - so we could make next meeting in two weeks

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-Vangelis_Karkaletsis

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-Cooper

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-Shadi

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-CarlosV

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-Daniela_Ortner

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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Daniela_Ortner, Shadi, Cooper, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, CarlosI, CarlosV

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-tsdtf-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: saz will check if it is possible to integrate a navigation bar on the homepage for internal usage [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-43-46

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ACTION: saz will check which technologies are supportable and which not [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-tsdtf-irc#T14-12-34

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ACTION: cv check with cs if there could be a solution within metadata [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-tsdtf-irc#T14-31-50

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