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18:51:58 <fsasaki> meeting: WS Policy (editor's)
18:52:21 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Jan/0045.html
18:52:27 <fsasaki> chair: Maryann
18:52:43 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
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19:03:53 <Zakim> WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM has now started
19:03:57 <Zakim> +Prasad_Yendluri
19:04:55 <Zakim> +Toufic_Boubez
19:04:56 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
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19:05:14 <Zakim> +Felix
19:05:28 <Zakim> +DOrchard
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19:06:07 <Zakim> +asir
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19:07:24 <prasad> Chairs In Rotation: Asir, Dave, Prasad, Toufic, Umit, Frederick, Maryann 
19:08:21 <FrederickHirsch> ScribeNick: Frederick
19:08:30 <FrederickHirsch> scribe: Frederick
19:09:11 <maryann> present: frederick, prasad, toufic, asir,dave, felix 
19:10:37 <FrederickHirsch> Maryann to report to working group at F2F
19:11:06 <maryann> chairs rotation: asir (F2F), prasad, toufic, dave, umit, frederick, maryann
19:11:16 <FrederickHirsch> scribe: FrederickHirsch
19:11:29 <FrederickHirsch> Maryann scribe next week at F2F
19:12:05 <prasad> Last Editors call Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html 
19:12:09 <FrederickHirsch> Minutes accepted
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19:12:25 <FrederickHirsch> Topic: Proposal re 4041
19:12:42 <asir> q+
19:13:00 <maryann> sent a revised version to the editor list incorporating comments from prasad and maryann
19:13:08 <toufic> this is for 4041?
19:13:09 <Zakim> +??P6
19:13:16 <maryann> fred: propose that we send that to the working group
19:13:18 <umit2> zakim, ??P6 is umit
19:13:18 <Zakim> +umit; got it
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19:14:14 <umit2> asir: For 4041, we did not establish a timeline. 
19:14:14 <maryann> asir is concerned about the timeline
19:14:54 <FrederickHirsch> q+
19:15:02 <umit2> ... it would help me internally
19:15:16 <umit2> Maryann: Frederick, is it ok to wait for Asir? 
19:15:27 <FrederickHirsch> updated proposal is already out
19:15:37 <umit2> Asir: Frederick if you can send the edits today, I can turn it around on Friday
19:15:55 <umit2> Frederick: It is too late, I sent a revised one today
19:16:17 <umit2> ... if we wait until Monday, people will not have enough to read it
19:16:29 <fsasaki> q+
19:16:35 <umit2> s/enough/enough time/
19:16:55 <umit2> Maryann: Could you start reading it now? It is not very long
19:17:15 <toufic> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Jan/
19:17:19 <umit2> Frederick: It is just two pages
19:17:27 <toufic> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Jan/0043.html
19:17:42 <fsasaki> q?
19:17:49 <maryann> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Jan/0043.html
19:18:08 <prasad> The above does not have an attachment it seems
19:18:12 <maryann> ack asir
19:18:21 <toufic> is this the one?: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Jan/0040.html
19:18:22 <maryann> ack frederick
19:19:23 <umit2> Felix: The idea is to give the wg more time to look and comment on it. 
19:19:27 <maryann> felix: we can send a proposal to the working group and indicate that its a work in progress
19:19:38 <umit2> Frederick: If there are some issues they can be addressed later. 
19:19:44 <umit2> q+
19:20:50 <umit2> Asir: Are others ok for this go out? 
19:20:58 <umit2> Dave, Toufik: yes. 
19:21:21 <umit2> Maryann: You have an opportunity to comment on it. 
19:21:36 <toufic> +1
19:21:39 <umit2> Asir: I have no issue to send my comments to the wg. 
19:22:25 <umit2> Maryann: Can you send it to the wg with a note that it is a draft and there may be more comments coming. 
19:22:26 <FrederickHirsch> Frederick to indicate 1st draft of proposal being 
19:22:28 <maryann> asir : next time we do this kind of proposal ( as opposed to an action) we need to be more vigilant
19:22:32 <umit2> s/you/Frederick/
19:22:56 <FrederickHirsch> need to clarify that proposals by editors will require more time
19:23:11 <umit2> Asir: We need a more precise timeline/process
19:23:40 <umit2> Frederick: We need to tell the wg that proposals like this we need consensus. We need to tell them we need more time for such proposals. 
19:25:03 <FrederickHirsch> editors may reject action items for producing ill-defined proposals
19:25:13 <FrederickHirsch> q+
19:25:30 <umit2> Maryann: We need to review the action items and be more diligent about the material in the proposal. 
19:25:43 <umit2> Umit: If the action item is not acceptable, we should reject it. 
19:27:05 <FrederickHirsch> Editors have to manage timeline. 
19:28:23 <maryann> ack umit
19:28:41 <maryann> ack frederick
19:28:55 <FrederickHirsch> TOPIC: Open Action Items
19:29:03 <umit2> ACTION: Frederick to send the revised 4041 proposals with a note to the wg indicating this does not have full consensus, more comments may be sent about the proposal
19:29:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - Send the revised 4041 proposals with a note to the wg indicating this does not have full consensus, more comments may be sent about the proposal [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-01-17].
19:29:05 <FrederickHirsch> Topic; Action 87, cookbook
19:29:16 <umit2> TOPIC: Action 87
19:29:21 <FrederickHirsch> Last week discussed doing this at F2F during session as demo
19:29:24 <FrederickHirsch> stays open
19:29:29 <FrederickHirsch> TOPIC; Action 100
19:29:39 <FrederickHirsch> XML base reference tickler, keep open
19:29:44 <FrederickHirsch> TOPIC: Action 101
19:29:53 <FrederickHirsch> Prepare proposal, close.
19:30:01 <FrederickHirsch> Frederick is scribing
19:30:18 <FrederickHirsch> we decide that at the beginning to go into rotation. is taht ok?
19:30:50 <FrederickHirsch> TOPIC: Action 111
19:31:13 <FrederickHirsch> Related issues, give to Dave 0 along with 112
19:31:23 <FrederickHirsch> DaveO needs clarity on task
19:32:00 <FrederickHirsch> Asir explains action. Attachment document 3.4.1 paragraph below describes URIs
19:32:49 <FrederickHirsch> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-attachment.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#uri-domain-expression
19:33:04 <FrederickHirsch> Look at "URI domain expressions are used to identify resources that are identified..."
19:34:13 <FrederickHirsch> An IRI reference to WSDL 1.1 component is defined in [TBD]
19:34:28 <FrederickHirsch> add non-normative reference to David's Note, referenced by TBD
19:34:43 <FrederickHirsch> discussion of whether normative or non-normative reference
19:34:58 <FrederickHirsch> Add sentence, add BIBL entry, need stable URI
19:35:15 <asir> it is a non-normatived ref
19:35:24 <FrederickHirsch> Due date for 112 is 1/20.
19:35:43 <FrederickHirsch> David suggests later due date for 111, due to need to determine URI
19:35:55 <FrederickHirsch> Since not published, don't have document in TR area. 
19:36:05 <maryann> q?
19:36:39 <FrederickHirsch> Asir - Suggest add sentence, create reference but leave URI as TBD. Then can implement 112 and put in the URIs
19:37:02 <FrederickHirsch> Decision - leave 112 as reminder to update stable URI, complete 111 before
19:37:15 <FrederickHirsch> TOPIC: actiion 113
19:37:20 <FrederickHirsch> New item, duplicate of 111
19:37:30 <FrederickHirsch> Close
19:37:45 <FrederickHirsch> TOPIC: New Action Items assigned to editors
19:37:50 <FrederickHirsch> none noted
19:38:07 <FrederickHirsch> TOPIC: F2F Agenda
19:38:24 <FrederickHirsch> David cannot attend editor session after 3pm
19:38:26 <FrederickHirsch> q+
19:38:46 <FrederickHirsch> Proposal to meet at lunch time.
19:39:14 <FrederickHirsch> Thursday may not be good for Toufic
19:39:34 <FrederickHirsch> Keep at 3-5 as originally scheduled, same room as provided.
19:39:59 <prasad> q+
19:40:40 <maryann> we need to use the q
19:40:47 <FrederickHirsch> q+
19:41:28 <FrederickHirsch> Open editorial action items during the meeting, as it happens
19:41:36 <FrederickHirsch> Take action items during meeting.
19:41:45 <FrederickHirsch> End of day meeting to wrap up.
19:41:58 <maryann> ack frederick
19:42:05 <asir> q+
19:42:09 <umit2> q+
19:42:18 <maryann> ack prasad
19:42:23 <maryann> ack asir
19:42:35 <maryann> ack umit
19:42:40 <FrederickHirsch> General support for editing on fly, will help 
19:42:52 <FrederickHirsch> Umit suggests new topic.
19:42:56 <prasad> People not going to be at the editors meeting should take ownership of open issues and let the editors know (send a note to the list)
19:43:47 <prasad> So far, only Dave cannot make and Toufic doubtful
19:44:36 <Zakim> -DOrchard
19:44:39 <Zakim> -Prasad_Yendluri
19:44:41 <Zakim> -umit
19:44:41 <Zakim> -Toufic_Boubez
19:44:42 <Zakim> -Felix
19:45:07 <asir> RRSAgent, please make logs public
19:45:16 <asir> RRSAgend, please draft minutes
19:45:20 <FrederickHirsch> rrsagent, who is here?
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19:45:33 <asir> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:45:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html asir
19:46:44 <asir> Present+ Umit
19:46:47 <asir> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:46:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html asir
19:47:18 <asir> zakim, asir holds umit
19:47:18 <Zakim> +umit; got it
19:47:22 <asir> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:47:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html asir
19:47:36 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
19:47:36 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Prasad_Yendluri, Toufic_Boubez, [IBMCambridge], Felix, DOrchard, Frederick_Hirsch, umit
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