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15:58:22 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
15:58:36 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-home
15:58:36 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:58:38 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:58:57 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
15:59:15 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aaaa
15:59:21 <ivan> zakim, IBMCambridge is Wing
15:59:21 <Zakim> +Wing; got it
15:59:38 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is Kingsley
15:59:38 <Zakim> +Kingsley; got it
15:59:50 <kjetilk> Zakim, code
15:59:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', kjetilk
15:59:57 <ivan> zakim, code?
15:59:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ivan
16:00:18 <ivan> Chair: Susie
16:00:20 <Zakim> -Kingsley
16:00:33 <ivan> Meeting: SWEO weekly Telco
16:00:44 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
16:01:04 <ivan> zakim, mute me
16:01:04 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
16:01:07 <Zakim> +LeeF
16:01:18 <ivan> I will stay muted...:-(
16:01:22 <wing> sorry ivan
16:01:39 <ivan> ????
16:01:41 <Zakim> + +44.190.827.aabb
16:01:54 <ivan> zakim, aabb is martin
16:01:55 <Zakim> +martin; got it
16:02:05 <Zakim> +Orri_Erling
16:02:22 <LeeF> zakim, mute me pleasde
16:02:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute me pleasde', LeeF
16:02:28 <LeeF> zakim, mute me
16:02:28 <Zakim> LeeF should now be muted
16:03:03 <Zakim> +??P14
16:03:04 <ivan> kjetilk, do you still have problems?
16:03:17 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:03:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, Ivan (muted), Wing, Kingsley_Idehen, LeeF (muted), martin, Orri_Erling, ??P14
16:03:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, wing, pasquale, Susie, kidehen, LeeF, bengee, ivan, kjetilk
16:03:26 <kjetilk> Zakim, ??P14 is me
16:03:30 <Zakim> +kjetilk; got it
16:03:37 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:03:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, Ivan (muted), Wing, Kingsley_Idehen, LeeF (muted), martin, Orri_Erling, kjetilk
16:03:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, wing, pasquale, Susie, kidehen, LeeF, bengee, ivan, kjetilk
16:04:43 <leobard> leobard has joined #sweo
16:04:45 <leobard> hi
16:04:48 <Zakim> +Jeff_Schiffel
16:05:55 <Zakim> +??P25
16:06:30 <Zakim> +??P33
16:06:34 <LeeF> Susie: BT has volunteered to write a use case around SW usage in telecom (Alister Duke)
16:06:42 <LeeF> Susie: questionnaire is open and being filled in
16:07:27 <LeeF> ... Leo has taken charge of InfoGathering task
16:07:44 <LeeF> leobard: May 1 deadline is in order to encourage us to focus on the core of the task
16:07:50 <bengee> how fast is zakim? p25 appeared 2 secs after I joined
16:07:54 <LeeF> ... goals are to gather information the right way (rather than as much as possible)
16:08:13 <ivan> zakim, ??P25 is Bengee
16:08:26 <Zakim> +Bengee; got it
16:08:32 <bengee> thx, ivan
16:09:18 <ivan> ScribeNick: kidehen
16:09:53 <kidehen> leobard: Please dump your last comments for the record
16:10:17 <martind> martind has joined #SWEO
16:10:31 <kidehen> LeeF: great :-)
16:10:44 <ivan> URI for the questionnaire results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39572/sweo_questionnaire/results
16:10:46 <martind> I'm online, I can take over the scribing now...
16:10:54 <martind> sorry for the chaos
16:11:05 <LeeF> np. we thrive on chaos :-)
16:11:07 <kidehen> Susie: Questionnaire response appears to be high
16:11:32 <kidehen> speaker name?
16:11:39 <LeeF> kjetilk
16:12:39 <leobard> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences#
16:12:56 <kidehen> Leo: Provides an overview of conferences of potential interest
16:13:44 <ivan> no
16:13:49 <ivan> q+
16:14:06 <kidehen> Leo: highlights lack of XTech attendance indication from SWEO
16:14:21 <kjetilk> XTech is very well recognized here
16:14:41 <kidehen> Susie: I will look into potential attendees from Oracle. 
16:15:00 <kidehen> Susie: I submitted a Tutorial re. Real World Applications of the Semantic Web
16:15:07 <kidehen> Susie: URL please
16:15:16 <LeeF> +1 o Susie
16:15:41 <LeeF> +1 to beer
16:15:50 <kidehen> Leo & Susie: Suggest SemWeb mixers
16:16:29 <kidehen> Susie: TimBL wants to improve collaboration and personal networking of MA based SemWeb players. 
16:16:47 <kjetilk> would be fun to have an event during the MGM week 
16:16:54 <kidehen> Susie: Current plan is for January, but TimBL needs to confirm
16:19:15 <kidehen> Susie: suggests that initial mixer is SWEO member only, while subsequent meetings would be on an invitation basis (where invites are issued by SWEO members a 'la Google Mail invites)
16:19:47 <LeeF> I don't think the suggestion was *SWEO member * only as much as "by invitation" only
16:19:59 <kidehen> Susie: Encourages others to organize networking events so that networking spreads geographically
16:19:59 <leobard> link: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences
16:20:23 <kidehen> Susie: Indicate needs for lead time cognizance. 
16:20:24 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
16:20:24 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
16:20:42 <Susie> q?
16:20:46 <kidehen> kidehen: Maybe we should add lead time data re. submissions to Wiki page
16:21:58 <kidehen> Ivan: Indicates XTech characterization is inaccurate. He indicates (from attendance observation) that this is the European equivalent of the Web 2.0 conferences in the U.S.
16:22:01 <kjetilk> q+ to say that Edd Dumbill is chair
16:22:13 <kidehen> Ivan: Indicates SWEO presence is important
16:22:18 <kidehen> kidehen: Concurs
16:22:45 <kidehen> Ivan: Talks about existence of GRDDL Tutorials as relevant SWEO collateral
16:23:33 <kidehen> Ivan: Notes that most of these events have W3C tracks. 
16:24:04 <kidehen> kidehen: didn't get it either
16:24:17 <ivan> leo, kidehen: WWW2007
16:24:21 <kidehen> ah1
16:24:25 <ivan> sorry
16:24:30 <ivan> zakim, mute me
16:24:30 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
16:24:31 <leobard> no, the third was not www, or?
16:24:45 <kidehen> who was speaking before Susie
16:24:50 <LeeF> Jeff
16:24:53 <ivan> the last is the one referred to as 'susie event' or 'boston event'
16:24:59 <leobard> hey, how about if you just edit the wiki page?
16:25:02 <leobard> q+
16:25:06 <ivan> ack ivan
16:25:08 <kidehen> Jeff: unveils two conferences of relevance
16:25:10 <leobard> q-
16:25:11 <ivan> zakim mute me
16:25:33 <ivan> q?
16:25:34 <Susie> q?
16:25:38 <LeeF> zakim, mute ivan
16:25:38 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
16:25:42 <ivan> azk kjetillk
16:25:47 <ivan> ack kjetilk
16:25:49 <Zakim> kjetilk, you wanted to say that Edd Dumbill is chair
16:26:17 <kidehen> Kejit: Makes point about chairman of an event and RDF mailing list
16:26:22 <kidehen> didn't get all of it
16:26:59 <kidehen> Kejit: Talks about Semantic Web competition as enticer for developers etc..
16:27:37 <kidehen> Kejit: 
16:29:00 <LeeF> s/Kejit/kjetilk
16:29:10 <kjetilk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2006Dec/0169.html
16:29:32 <Zakim> +Karen
16:29:56 <kidehen> :-)
16:30:13 <Karen> Karen has joined #sweo
16:30:32 <kidehen> kjetilk: Emphasizes importance of communicating magnitude and impact of SemWeb
16:30:56 <kidehen> kjetilk: Suggest no wheel reinvention :-)
16:31:15 <kidehen> kjetilk: suggest continuation and enhancement of things that exist
16:32:08 <kidehen> kidehen: I would like to suggest we produce SemWeb Mashups (aka Meshups) for instance
16:32:51 <ivan> +1 kjetilk
16:32:55 <kjetilk> thanks :-)
16:33:42 <kidehen> kjetilk and Susie: Emphasize cohesiveness of demos
16:33:59 <kidehen> Susie: Suggest use of demos to convince Microformats community for instance
16:34:25 <LeeF> There's no convincing the uf community.
16:35:32 <kidehen> kidehen: Should we not treat the demos as resources (part of Resource Gathering collective in Wiki)?
16:36:07 <kidehen> kidehen: Everyone should simply dump their demos links into the Wiki
16:36:24 <ivan> q+
16:37:12 <kidehen> Susie: Asks if questionnaires would work for Web Dev. community?
16:38:16 <kidehen> kjetilk: Emphasizes this group is already SemWeb curious if not totally interested
16:38:47 <kidehen> kjetilk: Emphasizes we need to do more "Showing" and less "Telling"
16:38:53 <ivan> ack ivan
16:39:36 <kidehen> Ivan: Acknowledges and agrees with kjetilk re. use of electronic channels
16:39:53 <kidehen> Ivan: Where these channels are inherently informal
16:40:19 <kidehen> Ivan: Ask kjetilk to re-send his mail 
16:40:29 <ivan> zakim, mute me
16:40:29 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
16:40:32 <kidehen> kidehen: Assuming this isn't already in the Mailing List archives
16:40:35 <kidehen> kjetilk: 
16:40:37 <kidehen> URL
16:40:43 <kidehen> kjetilk: URL
16:41:32 <kjetilk> kidehen: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2006Dec/0169.html
16:43:18 <kidehen> Karen: Talks about MIT hack-a-thon by Media Labs. She will get info re. organization of this event. Also talked about "Mobile Web" events centered around MIT etc..
16:43:58 <kidehen> Susie: Talks about Leo's suggestions re. organizing SemWeb networking events. 
16:43:58 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences/Meeting_Framework
16:45:22 <ivan> the conference dates are 23-25 April, Norway
16:45:24 <Karen> q+
16:45:34 <kidehen> Susie: Location and Data of next F2F in Europe. Timeframe will be close to W3C event in Europe. Emphasizes geographical re. F2F
16:45:43 <kjetilk> +1 for a meeting in Norway
16:46:08 <kidehen> Geographical rotation re. F2F
16:46:11 <leobard> ESWC 2007
16:46:12 <ivan> june is the ESW conference in Innsbruck
16:46:28 <leobard> 3-7th, June 2007
16:46:43 <leobard> what was the other?
16:46:58 <leobard> meeting of Oil Companies in May in Norway
16:47:14 <ivan> Leo: it is a semantic web days in Norway, but the web site is not yet up
16:47:30 <ivan> with a strong connection to oil and energy companies
16:47:31 <leobard> btw: I-Semantic in Graz... that misses
16:48:03 <leobard> I-Semantics: 5-7 September 2007, Graz, Austria
16:48:10 <bengee> semtech is may 20-24
16:48:13 <leobard> cfp: http://www.aposdle.tugraz.at/content/download/328/1657/file/I-KNOW%2007_CallForPapers.pdf
16:48:15 <ivan> www2007 is early May (7-12)
16:48:48 <ivan> the meeting in April could be 20-21 or 19-20
16:48:56 <leobard> q+
16:49:02 <ivan> ack Karen
16:49:18 <ivan> ack leobard
16:49:40 <ivan> yes
16:49:46 <ivan> I will look
16:49:48 <leobard> thx!!
16:50:00 <leobard> even better doing them :-)
16:50:05 <ivan> :-)
16:50:33 <ivan> I will do it, Kingsley
16:50:37 <ivan> do not worry about it
16:50:47 <ivan> happy new year everybody!
16:50:47 <kidehen> ivan: So I don't need to do anything else?
16:50:50 <Zakim> -??P1
16:50:52 <Zakim> -Orri_Erling
16:50:53 <Zakim> -Karen
16:50:53 <ivan> no, you are all set
16:50:54 <Zakim> -Bengee
16:50:55 <Zakim> -Jeff_Schiffel
16:50:57 <Zakim> -kjetilk
16:50:58 <Zakim> -martin
16:50:59 <kidehen> great
16:51:00 <Zakim> -Kingsley_Idehen
16:51:01 <Zakim> -??P33
16:51:02 <Zakim> -Wing
16:51:03 <Zakim> -Ivan
16:51:14 <kidehen> Happy New Year!!
16:51:36 <LeeF> thanks everyone
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17:00:41 <leobard> exit
17:04:16 <pasquale> by ivan, by all
17:05:02 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, LeeF, in SW_SWEO()11:00AM
17:05:08 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()11:00AM has ended
17:05:10 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, +1.781.273.aaaa, Wing, Kingsley, Kingsley_Idehen, LeeF, +44.190.827.aabb, martin, Orri_Erling, kjetilk, Jeff_Schiffel, Bengee, Karen
17:06:16 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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