IRC log of ws-desc on 2006-12-07
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- Zakim, list conferences
- 14:58:20 [Zakim]
- I see Math_WG()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM active
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- also scheduled at this time are WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM, DI_DIWG(dpf)10:00AM, Team_Global(review)8:00AM, MWI_BPWG()10:00AM
- 14:58:34 [Jonathan]
- Zakim, this will be WSDL
- 14:58:34 [Zakim]
- ok, Jonathan; I see WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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- WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has now started
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- +??P3
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- zakim, ?? is me
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- +TonyR; got it
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- zakim, who is making noise?
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- TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
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- Yes, suppose so...
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- +Jonathan_Marsh
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- -TonyR
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- +??P25
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- zakim, ?? is ne
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- +ne; got it
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- zakim, ?? is me
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- sorry, TonyR, I do not recognize a party named '??'
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- zakim, ne is me
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- +TonyR; got it
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- +Jonathan_Marsh
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- can't access conference on zakim
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- +Allen_Brookes
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- -Allen_Brookes
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- can't access conference on Zakim
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- +Tom_Jordahl
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- +Allen_Brookes
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- +Asir_Vedamuthu
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- TOPIC: conference code is WSDL
- 15:35:51 [Jonathan]
- Zakim, aaaa is Arthur
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- +Arthur; got it
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- +Canon
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- TomJ has changed the topic to: USe Zakim code "WSDL" to enter
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- TomJ has changed the topic to: Use Zakim code "WSDL"
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- Topic: approval of minutes
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- minutes approved
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- Topic: AI Review
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- Topic: administrivia
- 15:40:22 [asir]
- q+
- 15:40:30 [youenn]
- Jonathan: arthur suggested to add canonicalization for WSDL1.1 component designators
- 15:42:30 [Jonathan]
- ack asir
- 15:42:34 [youenn]
- Arthur: If the WG agrees, we should recommend to add a canonicalization to be consistent with WSDL2.0
- 15:43:07 [youenn]
- Asir: we could open a formal issue to th WS-Policy WG ?
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- Asir: I can open it.
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- ACTION: Asir to open a WS-Policy issue and link it with CR80
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- Topic: MTOM Description
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- TOPIC: Issue 82
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- +Amelia_Lewis
- 15:46:50 [Jonathan]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Nov/0135.html
- 15:48:13 [youenn]
- Jonathan: jason says that he would like to extend the rpc signature but agrees the suggestion is bad timing
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- Jonathan: can we accept this response and leave the spec as it is?
- 15:49:28 [youenn]
- TomJ: we do not prevent what he wants, toolkits may modify the rpc signature
- 15:50:05 [Zakim]
- This conference is scheduled to end in 10 minutes; all ports must be freed
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- RESOLUTION: close CR082 and mark it as accepted
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- Topic: CR092
- 15:53:09 [Jonathan]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Dec/0017.html
- 15:53:10 [youenn]
- Jonathan: CR092/CR092 is about soap usage that WSDL2.0/SOAP binding does not allow to describe
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- Jonathan: I sent a partial list of soap1.2 functionalities that cannot be described with our soap1.2 binding
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- Tom: we should say that the details element will contain an element, but may contain other stuff that is not described
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- s/details/soap1.2 fault details/
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- Jonathan: proposal is to add the list of SOAP functionalities that cannot be described and add tom comment
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- Jonathan: can we close these two issues with this resolution ?
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- RESOLUTION: close CR92 and CR93 according proposal
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- This conference is scheduled to end now; all ports must be freed immediately
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- The time reserved for this conference has been exceeded. 10 ports must be freed
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- -Tom_Jordahl
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- -Amelia_Lewis
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- -Canon
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- -Arthur
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- -TonyR
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- -Jonathan_Marsh
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- -Asir_Vedamuthu
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- -Allen_Brookes
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- WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has ended
- 16:00:20 [Jonathan]
- zakim, this will be WSDWG
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- Attendees were TonyR, +1.514.964.aaaa, Jonathan_Marsh, Allen_Brookes, Tom_Jordahl, Asir_Vedamuthu, Arthur, Canon, Amelia_Lewis
- 16:00:26 [Zakim]
- ok, Jonathan; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- apparently WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has ended, Jonathan
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- On IRC I see alewis, youenn, asir, TomJ, Allen, Arthur, TonyR, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jonathan
- 16:01:22 [Jonathan]
- zakim, this will be WSDWG
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- ok, Jonathan; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 97394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), Jonathan
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- zakim, bye
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- TomJ has changed the topic to: If you are ust getting here, you are 30 minutes late!
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- TomJ has changed the topic to: If you are just getting here, you are 30 minutes late!
- 16:01:59 [Jonathan]
- zakim, this will be wsdwg
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- ok, Jonathan; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
- 16:02:18 [TonyR]
- zakim, this is wsdwg
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- ok, TonyR; that matches WS_DescWG()11:00AM
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- +Arthur
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- zakim, ??p36 is me
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- +TonyR; got it
- 16:02:58 [TonyR]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 16:02:58 [Jonathan]
- zakim, who's making noise
- 16:02:58 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's making noise', Jonathan
- 16:03:02 [TonyR]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 16:03:08 [Zakim]
- TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tom_Jordahl (49%), Allen_Brookes (41%), Arthur (14%)
- 16:03:20 [Zakim]
- TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Allen_Brookes (49%), Jonathan_Marsh (4%), TonyR (25%), Arthur (34%)
- 16:04:29 [youenn]
- Topic: Assertions that are not assertions
- 16:05:10 [TonyR]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 16:05:21 [Zakim]
- TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Allen_Brookes (41%), Jonathan_Marsh (34%)
- 16:05:32 [TonyR]
- zakim, please mute Allen
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- Allen_Brookes should now be muted
- 16:06:16 [youenn]
- Jonathan: CR096 seems editorial
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- Arthur: I will check the source and let's move on
- 16:09:30 [youenn]
- Jonathan: issue CR095 is about wsoap:header@element. Being of type QName, it prevents the #any value
- 16:09:39 [youenn]
- ... Why should we allow it?
- 16:10:07 [youenn]
- Jonathan: proposal is #any is not allowed as it has not a clear value
- 16:10:13 [Arthur]
- q+
- 16:10:19 [Jonathan]
- ack arthur
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- s/value/utility/
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- 16:10:42 [asir]
- +1 Jonathan's suggestion
- 16:10:48 [youenn]
- Arthur: It seems that we are not generating message assertions. We need another assertion table
- 16:11:23 [youenn]
- Arthur: we could also have one assertion table, with a "assertion type" column
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- +m2
- 16:12:51 [youenn]
- Arthur: as a quick fix, I will add another table but I prefer to have one unique table that combines all current tables
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- Jonathan: arthur proposal for CR094 is to add another assertion table
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- RESOLUTION: CR094 closed with arthur proposal
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- back to CR095
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- Jonathan: #any is a no op.
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- RESOLUTION: CR095 is closed with no action, jonathan to answer to ram
- 16:15:02 [TonyR]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:15:03 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto, Tom_Jordahl, Amelia_Lewis, Jonathan_Marsh, Allen_Brookes (muted), Asir_Vedamuthu, Canon, TonyR, Arthur, m2
- 16:16:40 [youenn]
- RESOLUTION: close CR096 by removing the cited assertion
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- Issue CR097
- 16:17:22 [youenn]
- Jonathan: it seems that this assertion is redundant with schema checks
- 16:19:39 [youenn]
- Jonathan: the order of the desc. children is not captured by the schema. This assertion is about the order.
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- Roberto: we come up with this schema, looser than expected because of non determinism issues
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- Jonathan: proposal is close with no action
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- RESOLUTION: Close CR097 with no action
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- Issue CR098
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR098
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- 16:22:00 [Jonathan]
- http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#Types-1300002
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- +Gilbert_Pilz
- 16:22:55 [youenn]
- Jonathan: Is the cited assertion already covered by other assertions, as suggested?
- 16:23:55 [youenn]
- ACTION: Arthur to look at CR098
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- Issue CR099
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- Jonathan: similar to CR098
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- ACTION: Arthur to look at CR099
- 16:25:22 [youenn]
- Issue CR100
- 16:26:57 [youenn]
- Jonathan: Import-0001 and Import-0070 seem to adress the same thing, unless any subtlety
- 16:28:43 [youenn]
- Arthur: we should leave the text and retain only the first assertion.
- 16:29:17 [youenn]
- s/the first assertion/one of the two assertions/
- 16:30:28 [youenn]
- RESOLUTION: Close CR100 by dropping Import-0001 assertion (but leaving the text)
- 16:30:31 [Arthur]
- I just committed the fix to CR094
- 16:30:42 [youenn]
- Issue CR101
- 16:31:46 [youenn]
- Jonathan: The three assertions seem redundant
- 16:36:01 [youenn]
- Proposal is to keep the assertion in section 121900 and remove the other assertions
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- RESOLUTION: Close CR101 according this proposal
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- Issue CR102
- 16:37:11 [Roberto]
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- Arthur: we should rewrite this assertion and remove the use of "imported components"
- 16:37:43 [youenn]
- ... we want to say that we import a namespace.
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- -Roberto
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- + +1.650.786.aaaa
- 16:38:59 [youenn]
- Arthur: proposal is to rewrite Import-0003 sentence and remove this assertion
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- RESOLUTION: close CR102 according proposal
- 16:39:23 [youenn]
- Issue CR103
- 16:40:42 [youenn]
- Tony: the second assertion is not complete. We should remove the second assertion and fix the wording.
- 16:41:45 [youenn]
- Jonathan: do we want to remove the sentence or improve it?
- 16:48:17 [youenn]
- Jonathan: the proposal is to take the last sentence of the section 3.1.1.2 and move it to section 3.1.2
- 16:49:06 [Jonathan]
- reword = reference Schema-0016
- 16:49:12 [youenn]
- ... in addition, remove the assertion Types-1300001 and rewording it to add a reference to Schema-0016
- 16:51:03 [youenn]
- RESOLUTION: close CR103 according proposal
- 16:51:10 [youenn]
- Issue CR104
- 16:55:16 [youenn]
- RESOLUTION: Close Issue CR104 and remove Description-0024
- 16:55:23 [youenn]
- Issue CR105
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- -Allen_Brookes
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- Jonathan: proposal is to remove assertion markup from 1204002
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- -Arthur
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- RESOLUTION: close CR105 by dropping InterfaceOperation-1204002
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- Issue CR106
- 17:03:38 [youenn]
- Jonathan: drop InterfaceOperation-1204003
- 17:03:58 [youenn]
- RESOLUTION: Close CR106 by dropping InterfaceOperation-1204003
- 17:04:04 [youenn]
- Issue CR107
- 17:06:11 [youenn]
- Roberto: we could test the case of two styles that are contradictory
- 17:06:23 [youenn]
- Jonathan: but we rely on something external
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- Jonathan: proposal is to close CR107 with no action and add a test case
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- RESOLUTION: close CR107 with no action
- 17:13:56 [youenn]
- Issue CR108
- 17:19:18 [Roberto]
- 14: !unique => present <=> ! ! absent
- 17:19:24 [Roberto]
- 6: ! absent => unique
- 17:19:38 [Roberto]
- so they are logically equivalent, no?
- 17:20:37 [Roberto]
- oops, I mixed up the 14/6 labels
- 17:21:57 [Roberto]
- the first one I wrote is 6, the second one 14
- 17:22:52 [Roberto]
- I'd assert that they are equivalent and 6 should be removed, as it is the most poorly worded of the two
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- -Roberto
- 17:28:38 [youenn]
- ACTION: Amy to write a proposal for CR108
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- -Canon
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- -Gilbert_Pilz
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- -Tom_Jordahl
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- -Jonathan_Marsh
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- -Asir_Vedamuthu
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- -m2
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- -TonyR
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- -Amelia_Lewis
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- WS_DescWG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Roberto, Tom_Jordahl, Amelia_Lewis, Jonathan_Marsh, Allen_Brookes, Asir_Vedamuthu, Canon, Arthur, TonyR, m2, Gilbert_Pilz, +1.650.786.aaaa
- 17:29:34 [Jonathan]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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- RRSAgent, set log world
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
- 17:30:22 [Jonathan]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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- Meeting: WS Description WG
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- Chair: Jonathan
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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