IRC log of tsdtf on 2006-11-28
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-tsdtf-irc
- 13:22:12 [Zakim]
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- 13:22:42 [Christophe]
- zakim, conferences?
- 13:22:42 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, Christophe.
- 13:22:46 [Christophe]
- zakim, meetings?
- 13:22:46 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, Christophe.
- 13:22:52 [Christophe]
- zakim, what conferences?
- 13:22:52 [Zakim]
- I see no active conferences
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- scheduled at this time are ARCH_Team()8:00AM, WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM
- 13:23:03 [Christophe]
- zakim, this will be WAI_TSDTF
- 13:23:03 [Zakim]
- ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Nov/0036.html
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- Meeting: TSDTF
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- Regrets: Shane, Vangelis, Shadi
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- Chair: Carlos, Christophe
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- Agenda+ Location and techniques in TCDL 2.0
- 13:24:31 [Christophe]
- Agenda+ Evaluation process for test samples <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process>
- 13:29:50 [Zakim]
- WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
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- + +43.732.246.8aaaa
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- +??P2
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- zakim, ??p2 is CarlosV
- 13:33:21 [Zakim]
- +CarlosV; got it
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- zakim, +43 is Daniela
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- +Daniela; got it
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- +[CTIC]
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- zakim, [CT is CarlosI
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- +CarlosI; got it
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- +??P3
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- zakim, ??P3 is ChrisR
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- +ChrisR; got it
- 13:36:41 [ChrisR]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 13:36:41 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Location and techniques in TCDL 2.0" taken up [from Christophe]
- 13:37:36 [Christophe]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Nov/0029
- 13:43:29 [ChrisR]
- (discussion of allowing only one technique per test sample)
- 13:45:22 [ChrisR]
- CS: If more than one technique is required for a SC then it means there can be more than one test sample per SC.
- 13:50:12 [ChrisR]
- CV: Might be rare cases where SC must repeat location of accessibility problem.
- 13:51:40 [ChrisR]
- CS: Concern is that techniques and locations are not associated other than one following the other.
- 13:51:53 [ChrisR]
- CS: We can likely live without it but may be helpful.
- 13:54:29 [ChrisR]
- CS: Several ways to associate techniques and locations. Could be ID references or nesting.
- 13:56:20 [ChrisR]
- Dan: If nesting then agree with Vangalis other could use ID references.
- 13:56:54 [ChrisR]
- Dan: Has test sample where problem occurs.
- 13:57:56 [ChrisR]
- Dan: Example is form with several labels.
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- (discussion)
- 13:58:52 [ChrisR]
- Dan: Perhaps not a valid example. Could be dropped.
- 14:00:14 [ChrisR]
- CV: Relationship between techs and locations is important. Current strategy is weak and should improve.
- 14:00:39 [ChrisR]
- CV: If use nesting then like location inside techniques.
- 14:01:49 [ChrisR]
- CV: Always like less verbose strategy. Slightly prefer ID reference.
- 14:02:46 [ChrisR]
- CV: Not sure if we can follow ID reference model however.
- 14:03:34 [ChrisR]
- CS: Can live with ID reference model.
- 14:04:10 [ChrisR]
- CS: Asks for examples of each model be sent to list and we can discuss.
- 14:04:45 [ChrisR]
- action: CS will create examples of each model and send to list.
- 14:05:14 [ChrisR]
- zakim, take up agendum 2
- 14:05:14 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Evaluation process for test samples <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process>" taken up [from Christophe]
- 14:07:48 [ChrisR]
- Dan: Good structure but in step 3 (intial evaluation) not sure who does assignment?
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- CS: People may take batches but not sure who assignes.
- 14:09:12 [ChrisR]
- CS: Might be nice to have something in TCDL that states who has been assigned to test sample.
- 14:09:29 [ChrisR]
- CS: Would require a change to TCDL.
- 14:10:36 [ChrisR]
- CV: Not sure we should include who reviewed test sample in evaluation.
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- (discussion)
- 14:12:24 [ChrisR]
- CS: Perhaps use a temporary element in file?
- 14:13:06 [Zakim]
- +Tim_Boland
- 14:14:21 [ChrisR]
- Dan: Important that at least one person has overview of who is assigned to test samples.
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- (use of Wiki discussed)
- 14:17:51 [ChrisR]
- TB: Has checklist for metrics been created yet?
- 14:18:08 [ChrisR]
- CS: No checklist yet.
- 14:18:51 [ChrisR]
- TB: Need common set of metrics.
- 14:18:54 [CarlosV]
- zakim, mute me
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- CarlosV should now be muted
- 14:19:24 [CarlosV]
- zakim, unmute me
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- CarlosV should no longer be muted
- 14:19:53 [ChrisR]
- CS: If sample does not meet all requirements the returned to 'unconfirmed' status.
- 14:20:33 [ChrisR]
- CS: Most of checks are quite clear but there is still some small interpretation needed.
- 14:20:58 [ChrisR]
- TB: Could try out and see if works. Then modify if needed.
- 14:23:10 [ChrisR]
- CS: Tried using test sample in CVS but did not have all data to move to next step.
- 14:23:46 [ChrisR]
- CS: Until we have all data all test samples will be unconfirmed.
- 14:24:35 [ChrisR]
- Dan: In step 4 - "checklist for structure reviews" should this be "checklist for content reviews"?
- 14:24:41 [ChrisR]
- CS: Yes, should be.
- 14:25:25 [ChrisR]
- CV: Questions if we need to seperate steps 3 and 4.
- 14:25:29 [Zakim]
- -CarlosI
- 14:28:24 [ChrisR]
- CS: Don't see issue with strawpolls.
- 14:28:31 [CarlosI]
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- Dan: Suggest we need timeouts for polls.
- 14:29:49 [ChrisR]
- CS: Yes, can add timeouts and if insufficent responses then can be reopened.
- 14:30:06 [ChrisR]
- (general agreement)
- 14:30:48 [CarlosI]
- sorry, I've lost conection and now Zakim doesn't want me on the conference again
- 14:31:36 [CarlosI]
- In brief, I think Steps 2 and 3 are the same as currently defined and could be merged in one
- 14:31:44 [ChrisR]
- action: CS will write up summary of discussion and send to list for comments.
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- -Tim_Boland
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- -Daniela
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- -ChrisR
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
- 14:32:03 [CarlosI]
- sorry, I mean steps 3 and 4
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- -CarlosV
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- WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were +43.732.246.8aaaa, Christophe_Strobbe, CarlosV, Daniela, [CTIC], CarlosI, ChrisR, Tim_Boland
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- Present: Daniela, Christophe, CarlosV, CarlosI, ChrisR, Tim_Boland
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- rrsagent, make log world
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-tsdtf-minutes.html Christophe
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- 16:25:32 [Christophe]
- rrsagent, bye
- 16:25:32 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: CS will create examples of each model and send to list. [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-tsdtf-irc#T14-04-45
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- ACTION: CS will write up summary of discussion and send to list for comments. [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-tsdtf-irc#T14-31-44