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14:57:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DBWG
14:57:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
14:57:02 <trackbot> Date: 28 November 2006
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14:59:55 <pauld> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006Nov/0036.html
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15:01:47 <pauld> zakim, code?
15:01:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), pauld
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15:02:41 <pauld> zakim, ??P10 is probably George
15:02:41 <Zakim> +George?; got it
15:02:47 <pauld> zakim, who is here?
15:02:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see George?, Jon_Calladine, Vlad, ??P16
15:02:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see vlad, gcowe, JonC, Zakim, RRSAgent, pauld, Yves, trackbot
15:02:52 <Zakim> +Yves
15:03:28 <pauld> zakim, ??P16 is me
15:03:28 <Zakim> +pauld; got it
15:04:13 <pauld> scribe: pauld
15:04:21 <pauld> minutes from the 21st approved
15:05:31 <pauld> ACTION: yves to add LC-Basic as a product on tracker
15:05:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Add LC-Basic as a product on tracker [on Yves Lafon - due 2006-12-05].
15:06:40 <pauld> pauld: we're in last call
15:06:59 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-12
15:07:24 <pauld> george: been working on a validation service, have a JSP
15:07:47 <pauld> zakim, who is making noise?
15:08:03 <Zakim> pauld, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
15:08:30 <pauld> yves: send me the source, will look into it when the team return
15:09:55 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-2
15:10:08 <pauld> pauld: i'm a block, will get a page put up
15:10:21 <pauld> yves: still working on XMLUnit
15:10:58 <pauld> vlad: been trying the testsuite in our framework, some general directions
15:11:34 <pauld> pauld: include is broken
15:15:47 <pauld> pauld: we need small schemas to include in some of our examples
15:17:03 <pauld> ACTION: gcowe to look at fixing our include issues, ISSUE-98
15:17:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Look at fixing our include issues, ISSUE-98 [on George Cowe - due 2006-12-05].
15:18:11 <pauld> pauld: we seem to have a number of patterns for Advanced which we closed the issue, but aren't in the patterns and examples
15:20:35 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-62 Why would a pattern NOT be included in our Advanced document?
15:21:24 <Zakim> -pauld
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15:22:10 <pauld> zakim, ??P0 is me
15:22:10 <Zakim> +pauld; got it
15:25:03 <pauld> jonc: how do we get vendors' input on what isn't implementable?
15:25:39 <pauld> jonc: can we get a commnity input, or on an individual basis
15:26:00 <pauld> .. is there a vendor concensus
15:26:29 <pauld> pauld: we have a working group, they can join
15:27:09 <pauld> pauld: business as usual, we may get some interest from the LC 
15:27:19 <pauld> pauld: testsuite will help
15:28:42 <pauld> pauld: more interested in if we end up with the whole of schema covered, or only patterns we see in use?
15:29:31 <pauld> pauld: maybe we should just examine some Advanced issues and find our way
15:29:52 <pauld> jonc: is the concern this could be a job for life?:
15:30:19 <pauld> .. some of us are only interested in the Basic, vendors may be more interested in the Advanced?
15:30:54 <pauld> pauld: think schema publishers may also be interested in Advanced
15:32:57 <pauld> pauld: risk is that anyone could come with any pattern and we would publish it as Advanced
15:33:29 <pauld> jonc: if *any* recognised toolkit can process a pattern, then it could be "Advanced"
15:34:18 <pauld> pauld: so what about "open enumeration type" no toolkit may support it, but i want it in Advanced
15:35:30 <pauld> pauld: would it be acceptable for us to assign a URI for a pattern, but not put it in either document?
15:36:00 <pauld> jonc: would any schema author want to use a pattern not implementable in a databinding toolkit
15:37:45 <pauld> pauld: would like to have coverage for any valid schema
15:37:56 <pauld> pauld: thinking we stop when we run out of time
15:38:27 <pauld> pauld: am I overthinking this
15:38:47 <pauld> george: not had many people contributing patterns
15:39:08 <pauld> yves: we should contact people now we have LC documents
15:40:31 <pauld> vlad: submitted some patterns, and publically available schemas, may not be representative in terms of coverage
15:41:21 <pauld> pauld: ok so we need outreach
15:41:44 <pauld> george: we need to make sure we have coverage of patterns from our issues list
15:42:09 <pauld> pauld: george, submit your patterns!
15:46:08 <pauld> pauld: we seem to have some base types missing for enumerations
15:48:15 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/patterns/6/09/LongSimpleTypePattern/
15:50:02 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 10 minutes; all ports must be freed
15:50:06 <pauld> pauld: so we need better coverage of base types
15:50:08 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/examples/6/09/StringSimpleTypePattern/
15:50:44 <pauld> george: may not be firing in our examples
15:53:20 <pauld> pauld: will raise appInfo as a separate issue
15:55:02 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 5 minutes; all ports must be freed
15:55:59 <pauld> RESOLUTION: close ISSUE-97 on basis of exploding into other issues
15:56:08 <pauld> ACTION: pdowney to explode ISSUE-97
15:56:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Explode ISSUE-97 [on Paul Downey - due 2006-12-05].
15:57:21 <Zakim> -Vlad
15:57:22 <Zakim> -Yves
15:57:23 <Zakim> -George?
15:57:25 <Zakim> -Jon_Calladine
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15:58:17 <Zakim> -pauld
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15:58:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Jon_Calladine, Vlad, George?, Yves, pauld
15:59:10 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:59:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-databinding-minutes.html pauld
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