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14:48:41 <shadi> zakim, this will be ERT
14:48:41 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
14:48:47 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
14:48:53 <shadi> chair: Shadi
14:49:12 <shadi> regrets: Shane, Daniela, Jim, Chris
14:49:52 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Nov/0001.html
14:50:19 <shadi> agenda+ re-adoption of uri:uri in WebContent class
14:50:46 <shadi> agenda+ proposal for FileContent class
14:50:59 <shadi> agenda+ sequences in the HTTP vocabulary
14:51:11 <shadi> agenda+ additional validity level values
14:51:24 <shadi> agenda+ addressing security/privacy in EARL
14:51:37 <shadi> agenda+ ICRA review of EARL 1.0 Schema
15:00:32 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
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15:04:20 <shadi> zakim, Diego is really CarlosI
15:04:20 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
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15:04:51 <shadi> zakim, CarlosV.a is really Johannes
15:04:53 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
15:07:01 <shadi> scribe: Johannes
15:07:10 <shadi> scribenick: JohannesK
15:07:49 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:07:49 <Zakim> agendum 1. "re-adoption of uri:uri in WebContent class" taken up [from shadi]
15:08:15 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Oct/0073.html
15:09:31 <JohannesK> saz: there's no need for uri:uri in public web content, but there are situations where the URI is not unique
15:10:21 <JohannesK> saz: so earl:WebContent should have an uri:uri additionally to a unique rdf:ID (or rdf:about)
15:13:40 <JohannesK> saz: information on how to use uri:uri and rdf:about should be in the guide
15:15:30 <JohannesK> ci: WebContent is only for World Wide Web, local file system or private web servers are not world-wide
15:16:22 <JohannesK> ci: both use cases should be handled by FileContent
15:16:58 <JohannesK> saz: WebContent is for Web (HTTP), not necessarily World-Wide
15:17:05 <JohannesK> cv: or FTP or ...
15:17:56 <JohannesK> saz: WebContent right now is focused on HTTP (request/response stuff)
15:18:55 <JohannesK> cv: can't I use WebContent for ftp resources?
15:18:58 <JohannesK> saz: you can
15:19:28 <JohannesK> saz: it's not just HTTP
15:20:28 <JohannesK> saz/cv: you can use WebContent for basic FTP operations (using ftp URI)
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15:22:47 <JohannesK> cv: subclass WebContent and put uri:uri into subclass
15:23:11 <JohannesK> cv: private stuff needs uri:uri, public stuff doesn't
15:24:21 <JohannesK> s/cv/ci/
15:25:04 <JohannesK> cv: rdf:about doesn't work with content negotiation
15:25:17 <JohannesK> ci: so uri:uri must be used then
15:25:30 <JohannesK> saz: make uri:uri optional (when needed)?
15:25:56 <JohannesK> saz: used only when needed?
15:27:21 <JohannesK> ci: we need to explain the use cases when to use uri:uri and when to use rdf:about, could be tricky
15:27:42 <JohannesK> cv: don't see much difficulty in explaining
15:28:42 <JohannesK> saz: we're talking about software developers, they are not that dumb
15:29:18 <shadi> s/they are not that dumb/they should know their way
15:30:33 <JohannesK> cv: when using http:GetRequest, uri:uri is not necessary on WebContent
15:31:34 <JohannesK> ci: still think it could be difficult, but go on
15:34:34 <JohannesK> saz: I now think to make uri:uri mandatory on WebContent
15:34:59 <JohannesK> jk: if used on both classes, it must be the same, that's the only requirement I see
15:36:15 <JohannesK> ACTION: saz to write a follow-up on when and how many times to use uri:uri
15:36:27 <JohannesK> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:36:28 <Zakim> agendum 2. "proposal for FileContent class" taken up [from shadi]
15:36:56 <shadi> e
15:36:56 <shadi> [16:36] <JohannesK> ACTION: saz to write a follow-up on when and how many times to use uri:uri
15:37:16 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Oct/0072.html
15:39:06 <JohannesK> saz: filename is subproperty of uri:uri
15:39:47 <shadi> file://index.html
15:39:52 <JohannesK> jk: I wouldn't make it a subproperty, if it's not really a URI
15:41:58 <JohannesK> AFAIK this means: the server host is index.html
15:44:29 <JohannesK> file:///index.html means: a file with the path index.html in the file root on the local host
15:46:23 <JohannesK> ci: you cannot just put file: in front of it and think it's a proper file URI
15:47:51 <JohannesK> saz: do we have a data type for file names?
15:49:22 <JohannesK> saz: we can leave it completely open (forward/backward slash, case sensitivity)
15:53:13 <JohannesK> What is the benefit of using 'file://my/path/to/index.html' instead of 'index.html'?
15:53:46 <JohannesK> or even 'my discosed index.html'?
15:54:04 <shadi> ./index.html
15:55:29 <JohannesK> jk: this has no indication of URI scheme, could be file, ftp, http, or even relative to the EARL resource containing it
15:55:44 <shadi> ./www/index.html
15:56:19 <shadi> index.html
15:56:29 <JohannesK> jk: the call it file path, because it's a relative file path
15:56:38 <JohannesK> s/the/then/
15:57:51 <CarlosV> file:./www/index.html
15:59:51 <JohannesK> cv/saz: the use case is about finding files, not just labelling them
16:00:53 <JohannesK> saz: are there issues with cv's example?
16:01:46 <JohannesK> The path is '/www.index.html'
16:02:00 <JohannesK> at least according to the Java implementation
16:02:36 <JohannesK> oops, sorry
16:02:58 <JohannesK> jk: confirmed
16:03:29 <CarlosV> file://localhost/./www/index.html
16:03:42 <CarlosV> ;-)
16:04:07 <Zakim> -CarlosV
16:04:33 <JohannesK> ACTION: cv to post his thoughts on file name
16:04:40 <Zakim> -Johannes
16:04:42 <Zakim> -CarlosI
16:04:46 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:04:48 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
16:04:50 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, CarlosV, CarlosI, Johannes
16:07:29 <shadi> zakim, bye
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16:07:38 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:07:44 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:07:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/08-er-minutes.html shadi
16:07:45 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:07:50 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:07:50 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/08-er-actions.rdf :
16:07:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: saz to write a follow-up on when and how many times to use uri:uri [1]
16:07:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/08-er-irc#T15-36-15
16:07:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cv to post his thoughts on file name [2]
16:07:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/08-er-irc#T16-04-33