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13:09:07 <Christophe> zakim, calls?
13:09:07 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Christophe.
13:10:11 <Christophe> Christophe has changed the topic to: WAI TSD TF telecon
13:11:02 <Christophe> zakim, what conferences?
13:11:02 <Zakim> I see ARCH_Team()8:00AM active and no others scheduled near this time
13:13:25 <Christophe> zakim, what conferences?
13:13:25 <Zakim> I see ARCH_Team()8:00AM active and no others scheduled near this time
13:15:32 <Christophe> Zakim, this will be WAI_TSDTF
13:15:32 <Zakim> ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
13:16:34 <Christophe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Oct/0067.html
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13:16:55 <Christophe> Meeting: WAI TSD TF
13:17:24 <Christophe> Chair: Christophe_Strobbe
13:17:40 <Christophe> Regrets: CarlosI, Tim
13:18:29 <Christophe> Agenda+ First review of test samples
13:18:41 <Christophe> Agenda+ Web view of the test samples
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13:29:40 <Vangelis> \me technique.. i mean under "technique" element
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13:31:19 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
13:31:26 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
13:31:27 <Zakim> +Daniela
13:31:40 <Zakim> + +30210820aaaa
13:32:00 <Christophe> Zakim, +30210820aaaa is Shadi
13:32:00 <Zakim> +Shadi; got it
13:32:57 <Zakim> +Vangelis_Karkaletsis
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13:33:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:34:37 <Christophe> zakim, [IP is ChrisR
13:34:40 <Zakim> +ChrisR; got it
13:36:20 <Christophe> Scribe: Vangelis
13:36:34 <Vangelis> Zakim, take up agendum 1
13:36:34 <Zakim> agendum 1. "First review of test samples" taken up [from Christophe]
13:37:13 <Vangelis> CS: opportunity to look samples?
13:37:27 <Vangelis> DO: no, probs with CVS access
13:39:25 <Vangelis> CV: for eclipse you need only to locate private key home directory
13:40:39 <Vangelis> EV: for eclipse see preferences>Team>CVS>SSH2 Connection method
13:40:45 <Zakim> +Cooper
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13:41:42 <Christophe> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/ctprocess.html
13:42:41 <Vangelis> CS: discuss the test process for test samples
13:44:07 <Vangelis> SAZ: need experience from previous task forces and bentoweb
13:44:36 <Vangelis> SAZ: what are the critical issues
13:44:57 <Vangelis> SAZ: WCAG good example
13:45:50 <Vangelis> CS: experience for bentoweb: test case developers when these are done-> evaluation team for review process in several stages-
13:46:44 <Vangelis> CS: if change needed go back to developer otherwise go to second reviewer-> accepted
13:47:20 <Michael_Cooper> q+ to ask about meaning of "accepting" a test case in our context
13:47:49 <Vangelis> CS: user testing : users review tests through html forms input
13:48:28 <Vangelis> CS: automated testing: not done so far.. for colour contrast with tool for instance
13:48:51 <Vangelis> SAZ: for task force this mean evaluating technique?
13:49:14 <Vangelis> CS: yes, other purpose between bentoweb and TF
13:50:00 <Vangelis> SAZ: for this task force focus on test samples and not techniques
13:53:06 <Michael_Cooper> ack m
13:53:06 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to ask about meaning of "accepting" a test case in our context
13:53:53 <Vangelis> MC: need to have some criteria how to accept 
13:55:00 <Vangelis> CR: the WCAG group would need to have a look at them
13:55:21 <Vangelis> MC: problem would be dependency
13:57:32 <Vangelis> CR: maybe couple of tests in WCAG need review to make sure are correct
13:59:13 <Vangelis> SAZ: what we need to produce accepted test samples ok by WCAG WG
14:00:23 <Vangelis> SAZ: before formally accepted maybe both WCAg and ERT group have chance to look and send any comments
14:00:43 <Vangelis> MC: ok, set a timeline
14:03:19 <Vangelis> MC: WCAG pooling to surveys to accept or reject and moves on
14:04:19 <Vangelis> MC: this tf needs a procedure
14:05:50 <Vangelis> SAZ: what the acceptance really means? accepted for the draft technique?
14:06:53 <Vangelis> CS: technique might change and a test could be accepted
14:07:52 <Vangelis> MC: aggree mapping with url is the approach we need
14:09:40 <Vangelis> SAZ: clarify that test samples cannot be more stable that techniques
14:10:29 <Vangelis> SAZ: need specify procedures when ex a new test sample is uploaded
14:13:14 <Vangelis> SAZ: write a proposal for criteria procedures (ex validate, check metadata...)
14:14:02 <Vangelis> CS: I could have a try
14:15:22 <Vangelis> ACTION: CS proposal for internal test case review process
14:17:40 <Vangelis> SAZ: important to look procedure before looking actual test samples
14:19:01 <Vangelis> Zakim, take up agendum 2
14:19:02 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Web view of the test samples" taken up [from Christophe]
14:21:09 <Vangelis> SAZ: discuss the overall requirements and then with chris help could do that
14:21:42 <Vangelis> SAZ: one audience public: maybe download test samples
14:22:05 <Vangelis> SAZ: other: us for see what we have what do we develop...
14:22:36 <Vangelis> SAZ: somebody want to test an evaluation tool 
14:23:45 <Vangelis> MC: every way.. by technology/ by tech feature 
14:24:43 <Vangelis> CR: dont think find organisation of WCAG script not so helpful
14:26:34 <Vangelis> SAZ: wcag widget select certain things like level, technologies and give a view technique (wcag quick reference)
14:26:50 <Christophe> WCAG 2.0 Quick Reference: http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/
14:28:29 <Vangelis> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/complete
14:29:06 <Vangelis> SAZ: List of Web Accessibility Evaluation Tools : might look like this
14:33:07 <Vangelis> ACTION: SAZ and CR first prototype implementation and send to list
14:34:39 <Zakim> -ChrisR
14:34:40 <Zakim> -Daniela
14:34:40 <Zakim> -Cooper
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14:34:42 <Zakim> -Vangelis_Karkaletsis
14:34:43 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:34:46 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
14:34:47 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
14:34:48 <Zakim> Attendees were Christophe_Strobbe, Daniela, Shadi, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, [IPcaller], ChrisR, Cooper
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14:36:15 <Christophe> zakim, bye
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14:36:25 <Christophe> rrsagent, make log world
14:36:45 <Christophe> rrsagent, make minutes
14:36:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-tsdtf-minutes.html Christophe
14:39:11 <Christophe> rrsagent, bye
14:39:11 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
14:39:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CS proposal for internal test case review process [1]
14:39:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-tsdtf-irc#T14-15-22
14:39:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ and CR first prototype implementation and send to list [2]
14:39:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-tsdtf-irc#T14-33-07